Deceased/Not Found CA - Heidi Planck, 39, left son’s football game in Downey, dog found in Los Angeles, 17 Oct 2021 #5

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Addressing the whole robbery / homicide idea. What if she in fact had something on her. Something that was meant to be turned over to someone else, but someone intercepted her on her way and took that item, and then did her harm? Just trying to justify this whole robbery homicide scenario. MOO

Along those same lines, perhaps she was supposed to have something with her, and didn't, and the person she was supposed to be turning it over to caused her harm, or as you say, she did, but someone intercepted her and took the item, but then the person she was supposed to turn it over to caused her harm, and not the person who took it.

Having said that, I see no reason to believe robbery was the motive for Heidi's apparent demise, nor the reason for the LAPD Robbery-Homicide Division to be the lead investigative agency. JMO
 
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I wonder if they wanted the contents of her laptop? Her boss sure seemed interested in getting it back himself.

That was my first thought too, but honestly, if her work computer had information on it that was so sensitive that it could cost her her livelihood, freedom, or life, I believe she would have copied that information onto a flash drive and placed it somewhere for safekeeping, though I do not know who she may have trusted enough to divulge that location to. JMO
 
Robbery/homicide makes no sense when the perpetrator(s) took care of ensuring the dog was placed in a safe location where it would be found and returned to family. Unless she was attacked somewhere and the dog took off, but in that case the crime would have occurred within the condo...
 
It would take me forever to find the link. Maybe someone else knows. Ive read that there were 5 employees at the company Heidi worked for. I find it interesting her ex said 1 to 5 people know what happened to her. Is that what he means???

I could be wrong about the 5 employees but I feel pretty sure I have read that
 
It would take me forever to find the link. Maybe someone else knows. Ive read that there were 5 employees at the company Heidi worked for. I find it interesting her ex said 1 to 5 people know what happened to her. Is that what he means???

I could be wrong about the 5 employees but I feel pretty sure I have read that
Are you thinking about Arcadian? I made a comment about that last night, but there may actually be 6 now that I'm thinking about it. I need to dounle-check. I'm not sure how many CCP has. I'll try to look into that tomorrow.
 
Along those same lines, perhaps she was supposed to have something with her, and didn't, and the person she was supposed to be turning it over to caused her harm, or as you say, she did, but someone intercepted her and took the item, but then the person she was supposed to turn it over to caused her harm, and not the person who took it.

Having said that, I see no reason to believe robbery was the motive for Heidi's apparent demise, nor the reason for the LAPD Robbery-Homicide Division to be the lead investigative agency. JMO

I think they knew it was homicide (or had probable cause to believe so), very early on. By the time they found her car.
 
Robbery/homicide makes no sense when the perpetrator(s) took care of ensuring the dog was placed in a safe location where it would be found and returned to family. Unless she was attacked somewhere and the dog took off, but in that case the crime would have occurred within the condo...

Dogs dart away and dash into elevators all on their own. Who knows if there was a sort of chase scene in the building? Or whether Heidi took her dog into the place where she was killed? Perhaps the killer didn't want a dog around, to intimidate and control her. It's even possible she had a premonition that things were going south and realized the dog was not going to save her - but she could save the dog, perhaps by letting it out on the same floor where she met her end, or on a different floor.

Who knows what awaited in the lobby or where Heidi was trying to go?
 
I believe that statement is pretty broad. The fact that RHD is handling the case doesn't necessarily mean it was an actual "robbery" homicide. Although that is what the statement implies. As for the "no lead on a suspect" comment, as tight lipped as LE has been on this case, it wouldn't be surprising if that wasn't the truth. LE may very well have a suspect or suspects, but are keeping it quiet in order not to alert them. But, as usual with this case, nothing is normal. MOO

Robbery Homicide doesn't mean that only crimes that are both robberies AND homicides are there. It means what the words Major Crimes Division might mean elsewhere. Sometimes missing persons cases are included in departments with this name - as in Los Angeles.
 
The most valuable thing HP had with her was her vehicle, which was found parked blocks away 2 1/2 weeks after she disappeared. Other than that, she had her purse and phone with her, hardly items that a criminal might kill someone for, at least not intentionally. Heidi was a small woman. She could easily have been overpowered, IMHO. But yes, there are a lot of gaps to fill; most notably explaining the presence of her dog in the H&F building. Also, why did she seem anxious and leave her son's game early? I can't draw any conclusions from the few facts and observations that we have so far, but I am leaning toward this being something more than a random robbery. If it were that, her car would have been chopped or the thief/thieves would have been driving around in it. MOO.
I agree. With the timeline being as tight as it is, which allows just about 30 minutes from the time she walked in the building until the dog was found, I believe she was killed by someone she knew or someone she was supposed to meet. I don't believe it was a random robbery/homicide. This person had legal entry to the building to be able to access the trash dumpsters or the garbage shoots.

That said, I am not discounting the possibility that this person took items from her as her purse has not been found.
 
I think they knew it was homicide (or had probable cause to believe so), very early on. By the time they found her car.

I expect you are right. But according to what LE has said, her car wasn't found until Nov 4, eighteen days after she was last seen and fifteen days after she was reported missing. I guess time is relative, and there are lots of places a car could be in LA and its surrounding areas, but it doesn't seem to me her car was found all that early. And the case did go to Robbery Homicide Oct 29, twelve days after she was last seen and nearly a week before her car was found. So I wonder what made them think homicide so early? Or was the case sent to RH for other reasons early on? (I do agree that assignment to RH doesn't mean she was killed during a robbery. But I'm not sure I see that Missing Persons belongs to RH in LA. If it does, wouldn't that division have had the case since Oct 20?)

LAPD searching landfill for evidence in Heidi Planck’s disappearance
 
I expect you are right. But according to what LE has said, her car wasn't found until Nov 4, eighteen days after she was last seen and fifteen days after she was reported missing. I guess time is relative, and there are lots of places a car could be in LA and its surrounding areas, but it doesn't seem to me her car was found all that early. And the case did go to Robbery Homicide Oct 29, twelve days after she was last seen and nearly a week before her car was found. So I wonder what made them think homicide so early? Or was the case sent to RH for other reasons early on? (I do agree that assignment to RH doesn't mean she was killed during a robbery. But I'm not sure I see that Missing Persons belongs to RH in LA. If it does, wouldn't that division have had the case since Oct 20?)

LAPD searching landfill for evidence in Heidi Planck’s disappearance

see my post #20 -- RHD handles inter-agency coordination....
 
Robbery/homicide makes no sense when the perpetrator(s) took care of ensuring the dog was placed in a safe location where it would be found and returned to family. Unless she was attacked somewhere and the dog took off, but in that case the crime would have occurred within the condo...

LE believes the crime WAS committed in the condo. They issued a press release on this. They said they found evidence that Heidi died and they are searching a landfill where very likely the trash from hope + flowers ends up. My theory is that the dog did takeoff during the commission of the crime and was lucky to escape the same fate as Heidi.

LAPD searching landfill for evidence in Heidi Planck’s disappearance
 
LE believes the crime WAS committed in the condo. They issued a press release on this. They said they found evidence that Heidi died and they are searching a landfill where very likely the trash from hope + flowers ends up. My theory is that the dog did takeoff during the commission of the crime and was lucky to escape the same fate as Heidi.

LAPD searching landfill for evidence in Heidi Planck’s disappearance


It also makes me think this is a crime of passion/not well planned. The dog, a highly populated apartment, lots of cameras…just so many things that seem the opposite of well planned. I’m surprised that her connection to the building has not yet been leaked. There must be chatter among residents/staff at H&F.
 
LE believes the crime WAS committed in the condo. They issued a press release on this. They said they found evidence that Heidi died and they are searching a landfill where very likely the trash from hope + flowers ends up. My theory is that the dog did takeoff during the commission of the crime and was lucky to escape the same fate as Heidi.

LAPD searching landfill for evidence in Heidi Planck’s disappearance

There's nothing in the referenced statement about "the condo", only:

"Forensic evidence was located inside the building which has led detectives to believe an incident occurred resulting in Planck’s death."

Robbery-Homicide Division Missing Woman Investigation NR21336bb - LAPD Online
 
Robbery Homicide doesn't mean that only crimes that are both robberies AND homicides are there. It means what the words Major Crimes Division might mean elsewhere. Sometimes missing persons cases are included in departments with this name - as in Los Angeles.

RHD makes sense. It's not just for robberies. They're an elite Division to handle high profile cases..
Investigating select homicides, bank robberies, serial robberies, extortions, sexual assaults, human trafficking, kidnapping, incidents that result in injury or death to an officer, and threats against officers
Robbery-Homicide Division
Commanding Officer - Captain Jonathan Tippet

Police Administration Building
100 West First Street, 5th floor
Los Angeles, CA 90012

Telephone Numbers (Monday through Friday from 6 AM to 6 PM)

Commanding Officer 213-486-6850
Robbery Special Section 213-486-6840
Homicide Special Section 213-486-6890
Gang Homicide Unit 213-486-6860
Special Investigation Section 213-486-6880
Cold Case Homicide Special Section 213-486-6810
Hate Crimes Coordinator 213-486-6840

Established in 1969 by combining the once separate Robbery Division and Homicide Division, today’s Robbery-Homicide Division is comprised of approximately 60 sworn personnel, 10 civilian support staff, and 20 reserve officers under the command of Captain Jonathan L. Tippet. RHD is comprised of four sections (Robbery, Homicide, Gang Homicide, and Special Investigation Sections), each tasked with investigating or providing surveillance support for a wide variety of select crimes that are often high profile in nature. The sections also serve as liaisons between other law enforcement agencies regarding cases of mutual interest and, when required, orchestrate multi-divisional and/or multi-agency task force investigations.

Noteworthy investigations that RHD has completed or participated in include: The Tate-LaBianca murders (1969), the Symbionese Liberation Army Shootout (1974) and the S.L.A. Bomb Planting Spree (1975), the “Hillside Strangler” (1977-1978), the “Skid Row Stabber” (1978-1979), the “Sunset Strip Killer” (1980), the Murder of Secret Service Agent Julie Cross (1980), the “Bob’s Big Boy Massacre” (1980), the “Night Stalker” (1984-1985), the Murder of LASD Deputy George Arthur (1985), the Murder of LAPD Detective Thomas Williams (1985), the Murder of Sherri Rae Rasmussen (1986), the Murder of LAPD Detective Russell Kuster (1990), the O.J. Simpson Investigation (1994), the Murder of Actor Haing Ngor (1996), the Murder of Ennis Cosby (1997), the “North Hollywood Shootout” (1997), the Sante and Kenny Kimes Investigation (1998), Serial Killer Chester Turner (1987-1998), the Robert Blake Investigation (2001), the “Indian Motel” Murders (2002), Golay and Rutterschmidt (1999 and 2005), the “Grim Sleeper” Task Force (2005-Present), LAFD Captain David Del Toro Investigation (2006), the Killing of Michael Jackson (2009), the Murder of LASD Deputy Juan Escalante (2009), the Bryan Stow Beating Investigation (2011), and the Hollywood Arson Series (2011).

The following is a list of the RHD sections and their investigative responsibilities:



ROBBERY SPECIAL SECTION (RSS)
The RSS is responsible for investigating the following on a citywide basis:

Robberies when:

· A prolonged investigation is required, or the investigative personnel required exceed geographic Area detective divisions resources;
· Robbery involves a bank, bank employees, bank messengers, credit unions, savings and loan institutions, or armored car facility;
· Any series of robberies that involves multiple divisions within the Department and/or outside jurisdictions;
· Any high profile/ media driven robbery investigation.

Extortions or Threats of Extortion when:

· A prolonged investigation with threats of unlawful injury to the victim;
· Directed against a bank, bank employee, bank messenger, federally insured credit union, savings and loan institution, or armored car facility;
· Extortions determined to be virtual kidnaps which require liaison with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) for investigation.

Kidnappings when:

· A ransom demand is anticipated or has been made;
· There is the potential for serious bodily injury or death;
· The facts indicate a connection to a major citywide problem;
· A prolonged investigation is required which exceeds the geographic Area detective division resources;
· Incident involves smuggled, undocumented persons when kidnaps and extortions are involved.

In addition to the above investigations, Robbery Special Section has the following ancillary duties:

· Coordinates all live line-ups for the Department;
· Provides instruction at the Department Detective School in the areas of robbery investigation and identification procedure;
· Provides subject matter expertise to Legal Affairs Division in the field of robbery investigation and identification procedure;
· Investigative and technical support for the Los Angeles Regional Internet Crimes Against Children (ICAC) Task Force.



HOMICIDE SPECIAL SECTION (HSS)
The HSS is responsible for investigating the following on a citywide basis:

· Homicides that involve multiple victims (generally three or more) in one incident;
· Serial murders;
· Homicides that involve intense media coverage or are high profile;
· Arson as the manner of death;
· Assaults against on-duty police officers in the City limits wherein serious bodily injury occurred and resulted in hospitalization or death.

NOTE: California Penal Code §243(d)(4) defines “serious bodily injury” as a “serious impairment of physical condition, including, but not limited to the following: loss of consciousness; concussion; bone fracture; protracted loss of impairment of function of any bodily member or organ; a wound requiring extensive suturing; and serious disfigurement.”

· Incidents in which officers were shot at and did not return fire;
· The criminal aspect of an OIS requiring a prolonged, complex investigation;
· Incidents that involve death or serious injury to a department employee that are;
· Non-traffic-related and officer involved;
· The result of suicide or an attempted suicide.

NOTE: When an incident occurs outside the City Limits, RHD will liaison with and provide administrative assistance to the outside agency who will conduct the death investigation.

· Outside law enforcement agency shootings that occur on and off-duty in the City.

NOTE: The Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department (LASD) investigates many smaller agency OIS’s. To identify the agency responsible for investigating an outside agency OIS that occurs, on-duty, inside the City, refer to the LASD Mutual Aid Agreement included in the Officer involved Shooting protocol.

· Solicitation, extortion or conspiracy to commit murder (murder for hire);
· Illegal Abortions;
· Any special investigation assigned by the Chief of Detective Bureau;
· Requests for assistance from Area detectives;
· Requests from outside law enforcement agencies.

In addition to performing directed, periodic audits of divisional Murder Books, reviews of select investigations and/or case-specific habeas corpus issues, this Section reviews all murder Follow-Up Reports submitted for clearance as “Cleared Other.”



GANG HOMICIDE UNIT (GHU)
The GHU targets specific gangs and their involvement with certain criminal activity including, but not limited to, murder and other associated gang related crimes. There is also a full-time Crime Intelligence Analyst assigned to the unit to assist with telephone call data analysis, case charting, and link analysis. The GHU has specific knowledge of and experience with federal Racketeering Influence Corrupt Organization (RICO) prosecutions, and a great deal of experience in preparing court orders and search warrants to obtain business and telephone records related to Dialed Number Recorders (DNR), cell site towers, cell phone tracking, text message retrieval, and state and federal wiretap applications.



SPECIAL INVESTIGATION SECTION (SIS)
The Special Investigation Section (SIS) is the Department’s tactical surveillance unit. The primary objective of SIS is to determine if a suspect(s) under surveillance is connected to the crime(s) under investigation, and, if probable cause exists to arrest, to locate and arrest the suspect(s). Although assigned to RHD, SIS is available to any Department entity seeking surveillance on active criminals/crimes.



ADDITIONAL ROBBERY-HOMICIDE DIVISION FUNCTIONS:
COLD CASE HOMICIDE UNIT (CCHU)

A “cold case” homicide is defined as any unsolved homicide in the City that was committed more than five years ago and has no significant leads and is no longer being actively investigated by Area detectives based on a lack of solvability factors and/or workload. The

CCHU is staffed by 12 Reserve Officers with prior Homicide experience and are supervised by one Detective Supervisor/Homicide Investigator. The CCHU is primarily responsible for the following:

· Investigating cold Deoxyribonucleic Acid (DNA) hit cases Citywide;
· Screening cases for possible Investigative Genetic Genealogy (IGG) or Familial DNA search submission ;
· Screening select cases and identifying solvability factors;
· Submitting requests to FSD for various types of analysis;
· Submitting annual requests for grant funds to the National Institute of Justice (NIJ).



HATE CRIME COORDINATOR
· Collects, maintains, and disseminates statistics for all incidents motivated by hate or prejudice throughout the City;
· Analyzes the data for patterns, trends, and modus operandi to assist the Department with the appropriate response;
· Provides hate crime education, prevention and enforcement training to community groups, schools, and Department personnel.
 
Thinking about the video of JS delivering muffins. Does anyone know if that was released by LE or was it acquired by media somehow & released by them? I can’t think of why police would release that video to the public. It doesn’t implicate JS but mere release seems suggestive of some connection. If released by LE, there must have been some investigative purpose for doing so. —-possibly seeing if video sparks some interesting conversations LE can pick up on wire taps? Just a theory. If released by media or someone other than LE, then motive is also interesting to consider.
 
Thinking about the video of JS delivering muffins. Does anyone know if that was released by LE or was it acquired by media somehow & released by them? I can’t think of why police would release that video to the public. It doesn’t implicate JS but mere release seems suggestive of some connection. If released by LE, there must have been some investigative purpose for doing so. —-possibly seeing if video sparks some interesting conversations LE can pick up on wire taps? Just a theory. If released by media or someone other than LE, then motive is also interesting to consider.

It has been so long ago now, I had to go back and find the story. The tv station only said "we obtained this security tape from outside Heidi's home..." The report also stated that "neighbors confirmed it is Jason Sugarman", and my guess is it came from the same neighbors' camera. I don't believe LE released this to the media, as they have been tight-lipped almost since the very beginning. JMO

Jason Sugarman delivering muffins two days after Heidi disappeared? - YouTube
 
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