Identified! CA - Huntington Beach, WhtFem 40UFCA, 18-30, poss name Andrea, Apr'90 - Andrea Kuiper

[Ambercat]

If Big Mouth Andrea really pronounced her name Awn Dray Uh as opposed to her faking it to be more dramatic, that really narrows down where she came from. that sort of accent can be found in one degree or another in the 5 Boroughs of NYC, Nassau and Suffolk Counties on Long Island, Westchester County just north of the Bronx, Rockland County, NY, and the following counties in NJ - Bergen, Passaic, Essex, Hudson, Union, Middlesex and parts of Monmouth. once you get past these areas the accent drops off quickly and indeed even in places like eastern Suffolk and northern Westchester the accent is not nearly as prominent.

while that is some progress, the counties I named currently have a combined population of well over 13 million people so she is still a needle in a haystack. with the added factor of her family's money, that would probably eliminate the Bronx in NYC and Hudson and Passaic Counties in NJ.

one last observation is that I'd say with 90% probability Andrea was either Italian or Jewish, more likely Italian.

I feel mean saying this, but I think you are narrowing this down a bit too much. I have a cousin named Andrea who pronounces her name like that, but she is from Pennsylvania and Roman Catholic. Her father is German and her mother is [I'm not 100% sure] either Slovak, Hungarian, or Ukrainian. Coincidentally, she is the only person who I knew for a really long time named Andrea and, embarrassingly, I didn't realize that other people pronounced it differently until I was in high school.

 

[webrocket]

I am not a linguist and I have heard the relatively simple name Andrea pronounced in different ways. most of the time it is pronounced Ann-Dree-Ah. I have heard some give it a different inflection like On-Dray-Ah.

my point in my last post was that the first syllable of Awn-Dray-Uh has a distinct inflection that some would call out here an "outerborough" accent, meaning removed from the monied circles of Manhattan where those wealthy enough send their kids to very expensive private schools where they would never speak this way. by monied circles I mean the what people nowadays would call the one percenters and these are the upper echelons of the 1%, not just someone who is comfortable financially.

here is a demo of the outerborough accent (she calls it a Brooklyn Italian accent) and the audio is not the best. this girl overdoes it but nonetheless she explains it in a very street savvy way.

BROOKLYN ACCENT - YouTube

I'd be curious to know how much like this gal Big Mouth Andrea sounded.

 

[JaimeSommers]

If Big Mouth Andrea really pronounced her name Awn Dray Uh as opposed to her faking it to be more dramatic, that really narrows down where she came from. that sort of accent can be found in one degree or another in the 5 Boroughs of NYC, Nassau and Suffolk Counties on Long Island, Westchester County just north of the Bronx, Rockland County, NY, and the following counties in NJ - Bergen, Passaic, Essex, Hudson, Union, Middlesex and parts of Monmouth. once you get past these areas the accent drops off quickly and indeed even in places like eastern Suffolk and northern Westchester the accent is not nearly as prominent.

while that is some progress, the counties I named currently have a combined population of well over 13 million people so she is still a needle in a haystack. with the added factor of her family's money, that would probably eliminate the Bronx in NYC and Hudson and Passaic Counties in NJ.

one last observation is that I'd say with 90% probability Andrea was either Italian or Jewish, more likely Italian.

With much respect, I disagree. She could have easily been from the Valley in California. She could have been from anywhere.

 

[carbuff]

Webrocket is right about the accent of that region of New York/New Jersey (and a milder variant that stretches into Connecticut, where lots of people from that part of NY have moved over the years), but without a recording of Andrea's voice, we can't tell whether she had that accent or not.

MontanaMan's description of her screamed Long Island to me, but that could be prejudice on my part. Back in my younger days, when I still harbored dreams of being an academic, I tried to teach English literature to girls like that...

 

[CarlK90245]

None that I am aware of. Orange County does not publicize postmortem photos. Los Angeles used to, but they don't anymore.

Orange County's forensic artist is pretty good at creating reasonable likenesses of their UID's. So I would trust the accuracy of this drawing more than many others.

I was shown the postmortem photo of this Jane Doe.

I can't show it here, but I'll say that her resemblance to the recon is not real strong. She has a much pudgier face than is depicted in the facial reconstruction. The vertical spacing of her eyes and nose is much closer together than is depicted. She has a very noticeable pug-nose that is short and high on the face, and thick, wide lips. The spacing between her nose and lips is much wider than normal.

Of the MP's shown here, she looks nothing like most of them. She is definitely not Aundria Bowman, Andria Bailey, or Andrea Durham.

I've started working on a recon, but I need to figure out what to do about her hair. In the PM photo, her hair is wet and combed back, so it's hard to see how long it was or how it would have been styled.

 

[carbuff]

Is it long enough to pull back in a scrunchie? That was a popular style in 1990.

 

[CarlK90245]

Is it long enough to pull back in a scrunchie? That was a popular style in 1990.

I can't tell. Her hair is combed straight back and all you can see is what is above her ears. Her hair is slightly curly, but not excessively. The official recon drawing depicts it as about shoulder-length, so that's where I am going with it.

 

[CarlK90245]

This is closer to what she looked like.

 

[Ambercat]

This is closer to what she looked like.

Wow! Thanks, Carl! She looks really different than I imagined "Andrea" as looking from the sketch provided by Orange County. She looks a bit like Shannon Potter to me --

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/1868/8
http://doenetwork.org/cases/356dfmd.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/potter_shannon.html

yet she also reminded me of Christina Monteiro enough to wonder about possible admixture. She is probably not Christina Monteiro, though because she has tattoos that the UID does not have.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/7827/72

Up to this point, the only UID from Orange County that I have see a post mortem photo of (and thus compared with their sketch) is the unidentified homicide victim from Garden Grove (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170281).

 

[CarlK90245]

Wow! Thanks, Carl! She looks really different than I imagined "Andrea" as looking from the sketch provided by Orange County. She looks a bit like Shannon Potter to me --

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/1868/8
http://doenetwork.org/cases/356dfmd.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/potter_shannon.html

yet she also reminded me of Christina Monteiro enough to wonder about possible admixture. She is probably not Christina Monteiro, though because she has tattoos that the UID does not have.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/7827/72

Up to this point, the only UID from Orange County that I have see a post mortem photo of (and thus compared with their sketch) is the unidentified homicide victim from Garden Grove (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170281).

I'm thinking there might be a bit of admixture in her. Though she appears to be primarily Caucasian, there might be some AA or Hispanic ancestry a couple of generations back.

... but I'm pretty sure she's not Shannon Potter or Christina Monteiro. Andrea's nose is more turned up than either of their noses, and her nose is clearly is clearly turned up like that naturally, not the result of the accident. Andrea had a very large laceration on her forehead, and her right eye was blackened, but the rest of her face was undamaged.

The spacing of her facial features reminds me of Paulette Jaster, but I'm sure that she is not Paulette either.

 

[Jerri Blank]

This is closer to what she looked like.

thank you for doing this carl! very different from the sketch and maybe of the possibles shown here! how did you happen to see the coroner's pictures? i am personally glad i don't have to see them (i tend to sleuth on my lunch hour) but its amazing how much more helpful real life pics can be!

 

[webrocket]

thanks Carl. that nose does not look particularly Italian which is the nationality I assumed her to be if in fact she was big mouth Andrea as described by MountainMan.

I wonder what he thinks of the image. he's not been on here in a while.

 

[CarlK90245]

thanks Carl. that nose does not look particularly Italian which is the nationality I assumed her to be if in fact she was big mouth Andrea as described by MountainMan.

I wonder what he thinks of the image. he's not been on here in a while.

As you were typing, I just replaced the previously posted image with my latest revision. My earlier versions depicted more of an AA or Hispanic look than how she really looked.

She appeared to have a dark complexion, but that might have been just that she was suntanned.

 

[webrocket]

Mediterranean types can tan easily. I'm just trying to process the nose along with the rest of the face. since there is no one ethnicity jumping out at me I am inclined to think this UID was of some sort of admixture, but which one is a question mark.

one other thing. she was listed as being 5'4" and 122 lbs. does her face not appear to be connected with a body that is considerably heavier than 122 lbs? I am not doubting the weight of the deceased, just that perhaps her face bloated a bit for whatever reason, distorting her appearance.

 

[CarlK90245]

Mediterranean types can tan easily. I'm just trying to process the nose along with the rest of the face. since there is no one ethnicity jumping out at me I am inclined to think this UID was of some sort of admixture, but which one is a question mark.

one other thing. she was listed as being 5'4" and 122 lbs. does her face not appear to be connected with a body that is considerably heavier than 122 lbs? I am not doubting the weight of the deceased, just that perhaps her face bloated a bit for whatever reason, distorting her appearance.

I don't think her face was bloated or distorted by any postmortem effects. She had a naturally pudgy face. Her facial expression looked very natural, as if she was just asleep.

The only damage to her face was a large diagonal wound from the inside of her right eyebrow to the left side of her hairline, and a slight black eye on the right side. There wasn't any facial sagging like you sometimes see in other PM photos.

 

[Ambercat]

Mediterranean types can tan easily. I'm just trying to process the nose along with the rest of the face. since there is no one ethnicity jumping out at me I am inclined to think this UID was of some sort of admixture, but which one is a question mark.

one other thing. she was listed as being 5'4" and 122 lbs. does her face not appear to be connected with a body that is considerably heavier than 122 lbs? I am not doubting the weight of the deceased, just that perhaps her face bloated a bit for whatever reason, distorting her appearance.

I noticed that, too. Even before Carl's sketch, from reading her description as being 5'4", 122 lbs, and wearing a size 40 D bra; I thought that she probably had really skinny legs (and maybe skinny arms).

While I was looking for some more information about her, I found [I think] another sketch of "Andrea" at http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/1990_Jane_Doe

I forgot about the hotel key that was found on her until I saw that in the article the sketch came from. I wonder if there is a photo of it somewhere and if LE was ever able to find out more about it (hotel, city, etc?).

 

[CarlK90245]

I still wasn't quite happy with the way her eyes looked. I still had her not looking Caucasian enough.

So I re-did her eyes, and now I think I have it about right.

Even though her eyes were closed, you could see from the shape of her closed eyes that she had sad looking eyes.

 

[carbuff]

Is that a mole on her right cheek? What about above her left eyebrow?

 

[CarlK90245]

Is that a mole on her right cheek? What about above her left eyebrow?

It's probably acne scars.

 

[carbuff]

It's probably acne scars.

So when they said acne scars, they meant really bad acne scars, not just routine ones...good to know. -