CA CA - Jeff Joseph, 45, Hoopa, 21 June 2014

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I just do not believe it was big and sophisticated and I don't believe it was cartel related. Just a mutany on jeff by people on the mountain.... even if his friends were just scared in to silence, why not follow his fb page, why not ever private message me and ask how the investigation is going? why not even pretend to care....??? why not post fliers? It makes no sense. I really just think this was a backwoods kind of attack.

I'm sorry to present this scenario, but to me it explains the silence of Jeff's two partner/friends more than suspecting them of killing him. Quite honestly, if Jeff's friends know what happened and were threatened into silence, their fear wouldn't end once they left the area unless they kept silent. If they go talk to LE and there are arrests and trials, they would have to testify. If these people are individuals with ties to a cartel or other group, Jeff's friends would have reason to be afraid if they come forward. But without condoning their silence, I could understand being afraid no matter who was involved. That's why cases in Humboldt so often stay unsolved.
JMO
 
You know.. i don't have any answers about Getbit. I have not heard a word from him. I wish i knew what was going on. However, HCSO seems to be working on it.


If you're asking about burblestein working on the census, that was in Mendocino county, bordering Humboldt county to the south. So it wasn't near Jeff's property. Sorry if I'm answering the wrong question. If you click on "reply with quote" when you refer to someone's post, it will show that post so we know who you're talking to. :)

Peaceofmind, do you still have the PI (Get Bit) working on Jeff's case pro bono? You mentioned on FB that he had started helping you last June. Can you say if he found out anything new? Thanks.
 
I wish this could be or would be done...I'd give anything. i'm not sure i feel too comfortable in a message here saying what I have of Jeff's that could be traced that could crack everything wide open, then again, it may not...


I mentioned the need for a financial audit in Post #130. This is possible even in a cash economy situation. A diligent investigator can compile records of expenditures to prove that they grossly exceed a suspect's personal wealth and reported income. Basically, you need a persistent cop with forensic accounting background.

Might I add that the original forensic audit was by the IRS against a "gentleman" named Alphonse Capone? And sent him to prison? It may seem like dirty pool to sic the taxman on suspects, but any info thus gained can be mined for evidence concerning Jeff.
 
we have his phone records. we also have what you might call money trail. PM me if you want more details. i'm hesitant putting them here. There is no PI...

Have you asked LE about phone records and the money trail? Or the PI you hired? It takes search warrants for phone and bank records I believe, and there has to be reasonable cause presented to a judge to get search warrants. It's possible this was done and reached a dead end due to poor phone reception and only using cash. Or it's possible there wasn't quite enough evidence for search warrants. I would ask LE and the PI about it. Let us know what you find out.
 
Jeff did not use banks. Operated in cash and money orders. I know jeff was not growing to harvest 19 million ... maybe , AT BEST, 1 million...but, jeff also, did not tell me everything. 80 acres was what was around the whole area, not necessarrily 80 acres to grow though. I know he would have considered it a very successful season if his profits were 1 million. he was nowhere near that the year before. This was his first full, real season and he didn't even make it through it... so sad..


Hi, I'm new to this thread and just did a post but lost it . Happens to me all the time so I will post then edit to ask some 'money' questions.
Google tells me that in 2010, 1 acre can support 10, 000 plants and gave a revenue of $3.25 million. In 2015 that would have been $19 million. Jeff rented 80 acres, so just a few acres would have been immensely profitable. Did Jeff have business accounts? Did someone covet the land if these figures are accurate? Could someone check these figures for accuracy because it seems incredible. Did he or his relatives receive his share of the harvests in the last few years?
 
This article is a MUST READ for any family of a missing person. Dave Van Norman is/was a coroner/investigator for San Bernardino county. I can't tell if he still works there, but he offers help and contact numbers at the end of the article.

I've posted this article on many threads over the years because it tells the families of the missing the steps they need to take and that they need to be partners with LE (even if LE discourages that). You've done a wonderful job, Peaceofmind, but you may find in this article more that can be done for Jeff.

First paragraphs:

WHAT EVERY FAMILY MUST KNOW:
When a loved one is reported missing there is every right to expect that some large law enforcement investigative machine trundles into action; police fan out in all directions, and the search is on for the missing person. I am sorry to say that nothing can be further from the truth!

In the real world missing-person detectives are overwhelmed by the shear volume of missing persons cases and a plethora of other investigative duties, including investigating rapes, assaults, burglaries, etc. Most detectives receive no special training in missing persons investigation, which is unfortunate in light of the fact that the missing person assignment is like no other type of law enforcement duty – requiring an entirely different kind of focus and skill set.

This is the reality. We can cry about it, or we understand what to do about it! Until federal and state legislation catches up and mandates every law enforcement agency in the country investigate missing person cases properly, it is up to you to make the rightchoices and ensure that what must be done, is done correctly.

Last paragraph:

TEAMWORK
A missing person is too important to be left to one person. Those family members who wish to “leave it to the professionals,” and sit back on the couch to let the police do thework will probably get out of this what they put into it. I prefer the Team Approach, with the family involved in a productive way. We must help law enforcement to accomplish this mission, and if they do not know how, we can show them the way.

http://onlineathens.com/multimedia/pdfs/110308missing_student.pdf
 
Throwback Thursday:
I'm reposting this article that was in LoCO two years ago. I didn't read it too carefully at the time when Los2188 posted it here, but now I notice that it contains the names of associates of Jeff's. LE had not been able to contact them, nor had the PI at the time. Have they been talked to yet, Peaceofmind?

One individual is Robert Chris Hunter. Kaplan believes Hunter may have met with Joseph. He is currently wanted by the Trinity County Sheriff’s Department — see photo from his wanted poster on the right — and efforts to contact him have been fruitless.

Two other people who lived/worked this past year on the property that Jeff Joseph leased near Weitchpec are also important to speak to, said the investigator. One is Eliot Storms. Joseph’s family describes him as having been a friend and business partner of the missing man for over seven years. The other, Ben Rogers, was someone Joseph knew in Louisiana as well as here in Humboldt. A family member says neither have responded at all to multiple attempts to communicate with them.
BBM

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2015/feb/26/reward-jeff-joseph/
 
The date that Jeff Joseph disappeared is somewhat interesting, June 21, 2014. The reason is that June 21st is the solstice.

I remember learning from someone that the potency of the crop and how "good" it grows are determined by periods of light and darkness. Basically the way you control the light and darkness affects how it blooms, buds, whatever you want to call it and that is what makes "good" marijuana. So I would think a day like June 21 would either be a day to harvest or plant.

I kind of thought it interesting if he did make it to his farm and someone murdered him there. Once the police arrive you have to think they are going to destroy the plants. If the plants were not disturbed, the murderer basically wasted a lot of marijuana. If they part cars in the area, you wonder why someone wouldn't take his plants? Maybe someone did and police did not reveal that information. If the murder did have to do with drugs, the drug dealer seems rather strange to draw police to the area and not take the marijuana plants before they arrive.

But that is me. I think everything is strange and does not make sense.
 
Potency of the marijuana plant is not only tied in with periods of light; growers have learned to manipulate light cycles so that two crops per year can be grown. However, if a crop was approaching maturity as early as June 21st, it seems it would have been an indoor grow.

As for Jeff's vehicle...there's no shortage of places to dump it if it wasn't parted out.
 
I do not know much about marijuana growing other than from others that might have tried it. I just know that light cycles matter for some reason. I was playing Columbo guessing about the day of the year mattering.

Police have to look at all the possibilities even the idea that maybe he just turned off his cell phone and kept driving. I know that is not a popular idea, but it is one police have to consider. A person that is missing is not technically dead and anything they have I think would probably continue to belong to them. So if someone did murder him, by hiding the car and the body they could still try and take whatever he has.
 
Actually, somequestions, default setting for LE in Nor Cal seems set to consider any non-resident disappearance as voluntary. The problem then is to move LE off that default setting and into an investigation.

Now, before anyone gets their knickers in a twist about this, let me point out some salient facts. Humboldt County is larger than Rhode Island and Delaware combined. Its plethora of park land resulted from the fact that a lot of the terrain was just too rugged for human settlement. Its shoreline is beautifully reminiscent of New England. Beneath all this beauty lurk hidden hazards that visitors never think about. Fifteen foot sneaker waves? Seasonal back roads? No guard rails? Stream crossings? Armed marijuana guards? Never a clue.

In Mendocino County, which is about Humboldt's size but with about half its population, about two people per week are reported missing. Given the transience of Humboldt's college students, I shouldn't be surprised if there were five folks per week missing up there. There simply isn't the police power in either county to investigate them all while dealing with ongoing crimes. So disappearances of adults are considered voluntary unless or until evidence of foul play surfaces.
 
Actually, somequestions, default setting for LE in Nor Cal seems set to consider any non-resident disappearance as voluntary. The problem then is to move LE off that default setting and into an investigation.

Now, before anyone gets their knickers in a twist about this, let me point out some salient facts. Humboldt County is larger than Rhode Island and Delaware combined. Its plethora of park land resulted from the fact that a lot of the terrain was just too rugged for human settlement. Its shoreline is beautifully reminiscent of New England. Beneath all this beauty lurk hidden hazards that visitors never think about. Fifteen foot sneaker waves? Seasonal back roads? No guard rails? Stream crossings? Armed marijuana guards? Never a clue.

In Mendocino County, which is about Humboldt's size but with about half its population, about two people per week are reported missing. Given the transience of Humboldt's college students, I shouldn't be surprised if there were five folks per week missing up there. There simply isn't the police power in either county to investigate them all while dealing with ongoing crimes. So disappearances of adults are considered voluntary unless or until evidence of foul play surfaces.
BBM

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Thank you for a great explanation of why there are so many unsolved missing person cases in Humboldt, Mendocino and anywhere else in the Emerald Triangle. Unless someone has lived there, it's very difficult to understand the harsh reality of the area and the limitations LE faces, especially when the missing person has a connection to marijuana. Even though it may seem obvious to LE and to us that a person is in danger or deceased (no cell phone use, no banking, no contact with family, etc), this is not evidence. There are people who have disappeared voluntarily and surfaced months or years later. I've been on several threads where this happened (not in Humboldt).

Families need to have frequent contact with LE and be the "squeaky wheel." It seems that Jeff's family has done this...keep it up!! It's OK to give info and make suggestions to LE. They can't be everywhere.
 
They have not been talked to by LE as of yet...... as i think i said, jeff either met his demise in his meeting with hunter or someone harmed him on his property. He didn't coincidently go off the road after driving up there 20 plus times but, the time he has a huge amount of cash , the money had been taken from the PO box, who knows if they sped up the grow and jeff may have arrived and been mad that they were seemingly taking over.... Le did not go to the property for 5 months!!!!!!!! surely, all evidence was gone. They needed cadaver dogs etc. They did not really "search" for some reason i feel as if my detective is always protecting the neighbor /land caretaker, and everyone else. He tells me i think too much like a "normal " person which is good but, i don't care if it's backwoods, people are people or are they born with no souls, no hearts in humboldt?


Throwback Thursday:
I'm reposting this article that was in LoCO two years ago. I didn't read it too carefully at the time when Los2188 posted it here, but now I notice that it contains the names of associates of Jeff's. LE had not been able to contact them, nor had the PI at the time. Have they been talked to yet, Peaceofmind?

One individual is Robert Chris Hunter. Kaplan believes Hunter may have met with Joseph. He is currently wanted by the Trinity County Sheriff’s Department — see photo from his wanted poster on the right — and efforts to contact him have been fruitless.

Two other people who lived/worked this past year on the property that Jeff Joseph leased near Weitchpec are also important to speak to, said the investigator. One is Eliot Storms. Joseph’s family describes him as having been a friend and business partner of the missing man for over seven years. The other, Ben Rogers, was someone Joseph knew in Louisiana as well as here in Humboldt. A family member says neither have responded at all to multiple attempts to communicate with them.
BBM

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2015/feb/26/reward-jeff-joseph/
 
How do i get them to investigate? The detective has admitted that he doesn't believe Jeff is voluntarily missing. He changed his status in the Doj to missing under suspicious circumstances. HCSO is definitely more active on the case now than they have ever been.


Actually, somequestions, default setting for LE in Nor Cal seems set to consider any non-resident disappearance as voluntary. The problem then is to move LE off that default setting and into an investigation.

Now, before anyone gets their knickers in a twist about this, let me point out some salient facts. Humboldt County is larger than Rhode Island and Delaware combined. Its plethora of park land resulted from the fact that a lot of the terrain was just too rugged for human settlement. Its shoreline is beautifully reminiscent of New England. Beneath all this beauty lurk hidden hazards that visitors never think about. Fifteen foot sneaker waves? Seasonal back roads? No guard rails? Stream crossings? Armed marijuana guards? Never a clue.

In Mendocino County, which is about Humboldt's size but with about half its population, about two people per week are reported missing. Given the transience of Humboldt's college students, I shouldn't be surprised if there were five folks per week missing up there. There simply isn't the police power in either county to investigate them all while dealing with ongoing crimes. So disappearances of adults are considered voluntary unless or until evidence of foul play surfaces.
 
They have not been talked to by LE as of yet...... as i think i said, jeff either met his demise in his meeting with hunter or someone harmed him on his property. He didn't coincidently go off the road after driving up there 20 plus times but, the time he has a huge amount of cash , the money had been taken from the PO box, who knows if they sped up the grow and jeff may have arrived and been mad that they were seemingly taking over.... Le did not go to the property for 5 months!!!!!!!! surely, all evidence was gone. They needed cadaver dogs etc. They did not really "search" for some reason i feel as if my detective is always protecting the neighbor /land caretaker, and everyone else. He tells me i think too much like a "normal " person which is good but, i don't care if it's backwoods, people are people or are they born with no souls, no hearts in humboldt?

Thanks for answering, Peaceofmind. I can only imagine how hard it was to stand by, knowing Jeff was in danger, and feel like not enough was or is being done. This is where the panic of families collides with the laws LE has to follow, and it is very frustrating.

The truth is, no one can be forced to talk to LE. That's a legal protection for all of us, but in some cases, like this, it prevents LE from gathering needed information easily. They have to get what they need in other ways...if they can. We see this on cases often, like this one, also in Humboldt county. Read it and tear your hair out!
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...th-14-die-in-hit-amp-run-Fortuna-12-July-2016

It doesn't surprise me at all that LE didn't go to the property for five months. It seems likely that they waited until after the harvest. No one goes onto marijuana growing property during the growing season, not even LE unless it's a full force raid. I lived in Humboldt and you risked your life if you did, even by mistake. It's worse now. I can't imagine that a couple of sheriff's deputies are going to risk their lives looking for a missing adult. For families, that's the unfortunate reality when a loved one involved in the marijuana industry goes missing in Humboldt. And it's a very hard reality for family members to wrap their heads around. I do understand. You want to call out the cavalry, but it just doesn't work that way. :(

As far as the detective seeming to protect the neighbor and caretaker, if you were to ask him, I expect he would say that they have rights that he is sworn to protect, just as he would do for you. He has to follow the law, and if people stonewall his hands are tied. That isn't to say that LE in Humboldt are perfect. Your perception that he is protecting these people could be correct. But my personal default position with LE is that they are doing their best unless I have proof that they aren't. But in your shoes, I'd be upset too. It's easy to be all logical and leave emotion out of it from where I sit.

How do i get them to investigate? The detective has admitted that he doesn't believe Jeff is voluntarily missing. He changed his status in the Doj to missing under suspicious circumstances. HCSO is definitely more active on the case now than they have ever been.

I'm really glad to hear that they changed Jeff's status and that they are more active on the case now. That sounds like progress. I think all you can do is make sure they have every bit of information you have discovered and call the detective every couple of weeks to find out what they are investigating at the moment and how it's going. Ask if there is anything else you can do to help at your end. Be a partner. He may not welcome more involvement on your part, but I don't think you need to accept "Don't call us, we'll call you" from him. As the article by Dave Van Norman that I posted earlier said, a passive approach doesn't work. If you're already doing all this, that's great!
 
Okay, Peaceofmind, you have gotten Jeff's case off default and into an active investigation. That's good. If I were in your spot, here's what I would do.

Network with Humboldt and Trinity LE, as well as Nor Cal media. Keep the media stoked while not offending LE. Pay attention to citizen feedback to media mention of Jeff, whether letters to the editor or e-comments on electronic media. The anonymity of screen names can lead to some interesting disclosures. They're not evidence, but can be leads.

It is my understanding that if you are not LE, you don't have subpoena power. On the other hand, as a private citizen, you don't have to read anyone their Miranda rights before asking questions. From my reading, I have learned that any information you may gather can be future testimony, so take notes as soon as possible. Above all, document, document, document.

When I mentioned a financial audit, I may have aroused false expectations. I struggled to a courtesy "D" in Intro to Accounting in the pen and ink days, so it would be beyond me.

Keep it up, Peace. You're doing good work.
 
It just suddenly occurred to me that Jeff may have been in a dead zone for cell phones. Have you checked for coverage in the Wietchpec area?
 

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