CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #12

[smr]

If you have another viable suspect, please don't hesitate to call police.

From what I've read, it seems someone by the name of Tracey Riccobene did it.

 

[JMarsh]

Oh, I agree! And even if it was her, she didn't say anything that means anything, if that makes sense lol

I have no idea, but she knew she would be testifying, and she is studying the criminal justice system-I just wonder if she would have posted on-line as herself, under these circumstances. But maybe...

 

[Tortoise]

WOW!! pissed we won't get to see this. IIRC someone said that his daughter was boasting on the L&C chat "just wait until the defense puts on their case" etc.
Seems she isn't so confident today. While part of me wants to feel sorry for her, another part of me doesn't. It takes true courage to tell the truth when it's your family member who committed a crime.

Additionally - her testimony seems like a huge mistake for the defense. They had to have anticipated it wouldn't stand up to her previous interviews and should have known the pros. would call her out based on the taped jailhouse interviews. I'm not sure how she bolstered his defense at all and it was a mistake for them to call her. I can only imagine CJ's testimony will be more of the same.

If CJ takes the stand. I think they may have put the daughter on to get around the jailhouse tapes.

 

[missy1974]

That’s good then.

I’m sure the defense will provide who the DNA belongs to.

Still can’t explain how CM’s DNA was not on the passenger side. Think the Judge talked about that.

IMO

he did, but if you listened to all of his argument, he also said that whether DNA would still be detected 6 weeks later is "doubtful" <<<< he actual said this in regards to last contact, which if there is no evidence of a handshake or contact on the 4th, if it was from the time they went paintballing, and it was transfered.

 

[missy1974]

They may not be able to. If there hasn't been a CODIS match, then they would actually have to have a suspect to test the DNA against. They have asked the DA to test certain DNA against Dan K, that they said in opening.

I believe the witness was also asked about crime techs or lab personnel being in CODIS, indicating if there is DNA, and it's being said that it could have been placed there after the remains were discovered, that would be fairly simple to find as well.

 

[JMarsh]

he did, but if you listened to all of his argument, he also said that whether DNA would still be detected 6 weeks later is "doubtful" <<<< he actual said this in regards to last contact, which if there is no evidence of a handshake or contact on the 4th, if it was from the time they went paintballing, and it was transfered.

There is quite a bit of unidentified DNA on this case. There is DNA on the passenger side of the Trooper, and I think on a door...

Also, there is the DNA that came from items found in the graves.

My sense is that none of this has been tested against Dan K. And I'm not sure if it was ever entered into CODIS either.

 

[missy1974]

HOLD ON though....I thought the call never went through...right? It didnt connect. So how would they be arguing over a call that didnt show up or connect?

I wonder if FBI Agent Boles has "CONFERED WITH AT&T" yet so we can get some expert testimony from someone that knows how to read those call records? Maybe they are waiting for rebuttal...

 

[JMarsh]

I believe the witness was also asked about crime techs or lab personnel being in CODIS, indicating if there is DNA, and it's being said that it could have been placed there after the remains were discovered, that would be fairly simple to find as well.

Yes. True. And actually, I suspect that the DNA discovered on items in the graves came from those disinterring the objects-but DNA testing is so sensitive now, who knows?

 

[missy1974]

And 4 years later, she, at 15, remembers seeing her father, not taking a call from his boss, and she wonders about it?

or she recalls it because of the argument afterwards... and the ensuing days where Joey and his family were missing...

 

[missy1974]

Umm well I don’t believe the Defense would want DK tested. They wouldn’t be able to blame him if it came back not his, they may say they wanted it but IMO doubtful.

IMO

IMO it's more about showing the Prosecution doesn't if the won't run it. If I was the pro's and they are so sure... run it, it can't hurt, it will only be helpful to their case. We know they are more than willing to "continue the investigation" even during the trial.

Who knows... maybe they have run it?

 

[missy1974]

You are forgetting that the defense has already shown that not all of Chase's known calls, pinged. They are bringing in phone experts. This is just an intro to the rebuttal.

"Intro to the Rebuttal"-should be a rap tune.

Hopefully their expert knows how to read AT&T call records, or the pro's bring back Boles after he confers with AT&T.

 

[JMarsh]

IMO it's more about showing the Prosecution doesn't if the won't run it. If I was the pro's and they are so sure... run it, it can't hurt, it will only be helpful to their case. We know they are more than willing to "continue the investigation" even during the trial.

Who knows... maybe they have run it?

I don't think the defense can run these tests, it has to be the LE, I think...not sure.

 

[missy1974]

From the sounds of it I think the PT did a good job discrediting her. Just hope they didn't come on too strong because sometimes that can backfire. And she did end up in tears. Hard to image why the DT would subject her to it. MOO.

She's a grown woman. If she was still a teenager, I could see that coming off as bad... but I don't think it would have the same effect as if she was still 15 like she was when this happened.

 

[JMarsh]

Hopefully their expert knows how to read AT&T call records, or the pro's bring back Boles after he confers with AT&T.

They have two experts on the ping data, I think. Elluma may have been involved. But they also have a guy, whose name I wrote down, but I don't have it handy, who is an engineer and designs the equipment used by telephone companies.

They have way more than someone who just knows how to interpret a CDR. They have someone who understands, in depth, the science involved in what the CDRs are monitoring.

 

[citygirl]

If CJ takes the stand. I think they may have put the daughter on to get around the jailhouse tapes.

Bingo. I don't think they will put her on. Thinking this was a relatively new decision. Can the PT put CJ on the stand in rebuttal? Did you notice the PT got in the pic of CM digging in the desert? Didn't sound like the DT objected...per tweets.

 

[missy1974]

Well I will wait to see if phone records show that the phone did connect to Chase’s phone coz at the moment I’m not buying it. But if they do have proof then i shall be very impressed.

So if they show that there are other calls made to Chase or that Chase made that do not show on cross referenced records.... what does that show?

I don't know that they have more than the 1 I recall in testimony... but it does give me 'pause', and unfortunately, I cannot 100% rely on Boles testimony, as he proved he did not understand AT&T records. I am disappointed that the State did not 'recall' him to clear all of that up, which only leads me to one conclusion. JMO

 

[citygirl]

IMO it's more about showing the Prosecution doesn't if the won't run it. If I was the pro's and they are so sure... run it, it can't hurt, it will only be helpful to their case. We know they are more than willing to "continue the investigation" even during the trial.

Who knows... maybe they have run it?

Would they have to disclose that to the DT?

 

[missy1974]

From what I've read, it seems someone by the name of Tracey Riccobene did it.

That is Dan's friend or ex-gf or whatever she is... she is the one that Dan "confessed" to.

 

[missy1974]

I have no idea, but she knew she would be testifying, and she is studying the criminal justice system-I just wonder if she would have posted on-line as herself, under these circumstances. But maybe...

I would be SHOCKED if other family members did not watch the live streams, they were not there every day. JMO

 

[missy1974]

If CJ takes the stand. I think they may have put the daughter on to get around the jailhouse tapes.

That was my first thought... we will see if they call CJ now...