A murderer is like a b-grade script writer, trying to write his first ever crime drama under huge psychological pressure.
For this reason, I find the wire tap evidence, the jail house tapes, and the police interviews completely fascinating, and the most incriminating of all.
An ordinary person, speaks from experiential memory and their dialogue represents their state of mind, and also reflects their emotional state.
Any script writer knows, realistic dialogue is one of the hardest things to script.
The killer on the other hand tends to be preoccupied with narrative. Because he is unsophisticated, he tends to write in a way that he thinks television or books tell stories. This preoccupation frequently causes him to forget to play his own role in the film. He is so busy directing the action, he forgets to give himself natural dialogue and actions.
Significantly this same mistake always extends to the victims. The killer will have lots of direction notes about the victim(s) but typically forget to craft them actual dialogue and actions that are experienced.
A high quality script writer, in essence takes the narrative, and brings it to life using action and quality dialogue.
A bad script writer brings the narrative to life via exposition.
Real life doesn't use exposition. Yet Chase constantly uses it. And in his private moments, he forgets to have any dialogue at all. See for example the long responses from CJ filled with emotion, and stream of consciousness compared to his answers. Where is the dialogue of an innocent man? Where are his lived experiences and emotions?
This extends to Joey. We hear exposition (we talked about the business) but where is the rich detail? Where are actual quotes from Joey? What did Joey actually do and say? Where did he sit? What did he order? A quality screenwriter actual scripts this business meeting down to the sandwich order. A crappy one just gives you the cliffs notes.
This stuff is hardly the only errors but just to leave you with one more. (I call this the Foxy Special)
Real life does not have foreshadowing.
No one fights over the "last call" before they even know it's the last call
We have to use foreshadowing when scripting TV.
For goodness sakes don't use it in your murder![]()
The many signs become easier to spot the more cases you follow IMO. They put so much effort into getting their own story right that they overlook the other person in it, so it's just not believable. Chris Watts was another example - he forgot to try to look worried about his family being missing, or he thought if he looked worried it would point to him knowing something.Thanks T
As you can tell, I am fascinated by the overall topic of staging, and killer as story teller.
In my day job, I am always dealing with amateurs who can't write properly. You see all these mistakes where due to the overwhelming need to "message" - the basics of good story writing go out the window.
It was especially with our dear friend Pistorius, that I realised he was making all the same mistakes my clients make
The many signs become easier to spot the more cases you follow IMO. They put so much effort into getting their own story right that they overlook the other person in it, so it's just not believable. Chris Watts was another example - he forgot to try to look worried about his family being missing, or he thought if he looked worried it would point to him knowing something.
Can't you sleep bubba?Watts is a good example of exposition. Instead of being actually sad or worried, like an actor would play the role of husband with missing family, he merely talks about those things
I've noticed sociopathic types do this in real life. They describe being angry, rather than actual demonstrative behaviour
Old Oscar P is my favourite of the genre. He gave Reeva all of one line in the film.
Nor can I.
All I can think of is the innocent victims and their family members.
I live here in So. California and I pay Huge Taxes.
Huge.
Why these horrific murders are not front page daily news is scary to me.
The judge postponing trial for a dental appointment is scary to me.
Can we just focus on the innocent victims who were brutally. Brutally, murdered and I believe tortured ?
Can we just get into that? An entire family murdered.
This is not a small crime.
This is a frigging horrific crime.
Law enforcement has after years of research identified the killer.
Now, we have a justice system that cannot even do a 5 day trial without idiotic disruptions that go on for weeks on end.
God bless the victims here..
I would be manic if this was my family.
No disrespect to the wonderful families of Summer and Joey.
I am praying for justice.
If they were killed at home, why was Jr.'s backpack in the grave?
I thought it was like Joey Jr.s security blanket, something he never went anywhere without. He was fascinated with dinosaurs and had his archaeology "tools" in it, There's a video where Joey is talking with him how this would be a great place to find things, ie dig around. There's an abundance of pics with him wearing it. He quite possibly had it on when he was killed and that's why I believe it was in the grave.It may have been in the vehicle so he decided to bury it. Or it was used to transport some other things to be buried.
Exactly !A murderer is like a b-grade script writer, trying to write his first ever crime drama under huge psychological pressure.
For this reason, I find the wire tap evidence, the jail house tapes, and the police interviews completely fascinating, and the most incriminating of all.
An ordinary person, speaks from experiential memory and their dialogue represents their state of mind, and also reflects their emotional state.
Any script writer knows, realistic dialogue is one of the hardest things to script.
The killer on the other hand tends to be preoccupied with narrative. Because he is unsophisticated, he tends to write in a way that he thinks television or books tell stories. This preoccupation frequently causes him to forget to play his own role in the film. He is so busy directing the action, he forgets to give himself natural dialogue and actions.
Significantly this same mistake always extends to the victims. The killer will have lots of direction notes about the victim(s) but typically forget to craft them actual dialogue and actions that are experienced.
A high quality script writer, in essence takes the narrative, and brings it to life using action and quality dialogue.
A bad script writer brings the narrative to life via exposition.
Real life doesn't use exposition. Yet Chase constantly uses it. And in his private moments, he forgets to have any dialogue at all. See for example the long responses from CJ filled with emotion, and stream of consciousness compared to his answers. Where is the dialogue of an innocent man? Where are his lived experiences and emotions?
This extends to Joey. We hear exposition (we talked about the business) but where is the rich detail? Where are actual quotes from Joey? What did Joey actually do and say? Where did he sit? What did he order? A quality screenwriter actual scripts this business meeting down to the sandwich order. A crappy one just gives you the cliffs notes.
This stuff is hardly the only errors but just to leave you with one more. (I call this the Foxy Special)
Real life does not have foreshadowing.
No one fights over the "last call" before they even know it's the last call
We have to use foreshadowing when scripting TV.
For goodness sakes don't use it in your murder![]()
A murderer is like a b-grade script writer, trying to write his first ever crime drama under huge psychological pressure.
For this reason, I find the wire tap evidence, the jail house tapes, and the police interviews completely fascinating, and the most incriminating of all.
An ordinary person, speaks from experiential memory and their dialogue represents their state of mind, and also reflects their emotional state.
Any script writer knows, realistic dialogue is one of the hardest things to script.
The killer on the other hand tends to be preoccupied with narrative. Because he is unsophisticated, he tends to write in a way that he thinks television or books tell stories. This preoccupation frequently causes him to forget to play his own role in the film. He is so busy directing the action, he forgets to give himself natural dialogue and actions.
Significantly this same mistake always extends to the victims. The killer will have lots of direction notes about the victim(s) but typically forget to craft them actual dialogue and actions that are experienced.
A high quality script writer, in essence takes the narrative, and brings it to life using action and quality dialogue.
A bad script writer brings the narrative to life via exposition.
Real life doesn't use exposition. Yet Chase constantly uses it. And in his private moments, he forgets to have any dialogue at all. See for example the long responses from CJ filled with emotion, and stream of consciousness compared to his answers. Where is the dialogue of an innocent man? Where are his lived experiences and emotions?
This extends to Joey. We hear exposition (we talked about the business) but where is the rich detail? Where are actual quotes from Joey? What did Joey actually do and say? Where did he sit? What did he order? A quality screenwriter actual scripts this business meeting down to the sandwich order. A crappy one just gives you the cliffs notes.
This stuff is hardly the only errors but just to leave you with one more. (I call this the Foxy Special)
Real life does not have foreshadowing.
No one fights over the "last call" before they even know it's the last call
We have to use foreshadowing when scripting TV.
For goodness sakes don't use it in your murder![]()
To me, it absolutely is. For CM to be the last person to speak to and see Joseph, he should remember every single detail of what transpired. He had a lot of time to think it over as well. The lunch meeting went for one to two hours.this is really interesting to me but I'm having trouble grasping it
so when Chase talked about Joey sitting at his desk, he didn't describe what Joey was saying and that's suspicious?
when Chase talked about the lunch meeting, again he didn't include any conversation so that's suspicious?
I wonder if we might get a recording. Probably not. There were some parts the judge was going to listen to in camera (about the witness - their crime scene specialist - objection to providing information to the prosecution) but I think they were also going to try to whittle down the 8hr interview by agreement.That^^^ would be fascinating to hear. Lots of fireworks I bet.
I thought it was like Joey Jr.s security blanket, something he never went anywhere without. He was fascinated with dinosaurs and had his archaeology "tools" in it, There's a video where Joey is talking with him how this would be a great place to find things, ie dig around. There's an abundance of pics with him wearing it. He quite possibly had it on when he was killed and that's why I believe it was in the grave.
To me, it absolutely is. For CM to be the last person to speak to and see Joseph, he should remember every single detail of what transpired. He had a lot of time to think it over as well. The lunch meeting went for one to two hours.
Did they just sit there staring at one another?
I remember the last convos I've had with people I've lost, whether suddenly, or through long illness, it kind of just pops out of nowhere. I don't know if it's a function of my brain or what?I get that there would've been conversation. Just not grasping why the lack of repeating that conversation is suspicious.
Probably because it never happened. It's difficult to invent 2 hours of believable interaction that didn't happen.I get that there would've been conversation. Just not grasping why the lack of repeating that conversation is suspicious.
It's been said that he wore it constantly. If we speculate that Summer and Joseph Jr. were attacked while she was bathing him, or shortly thereafter while he was wearing the special bath towel, Gianni may well have been playing prospector in the playhouses upstairs or outside. It doesn't seem to be material to the case; just evokes the terror of it all.It may have been in the vehicle so he decided to bury it. Or it was used to transport some other things to be buried.
I remember one picture, I the one where they are playing with the mud, where Gianni is wearing it. I'll find it.It's been said that he wore it constantly. If we speculate that Summer and Joseph Jr. were attacked while she was bathing him, or shortly thereafter while he was wearing the special bath towel, Gianni may well have been playing prospector in the playhouses upstairs or outside. It doesn't seem to be material to the case; just evokes the terror of it all.