CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #7

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It should also be noted that the 5K that was transferred from Dan to Chase... was for the Geis construction fountain. Geis sent $6250, Dan sent $5000 to Chase to do that fountain IIRC. I will look in my notes later.
 
Right... and we know that they did eventually deposit them... so if the McStay account was frozen, I wonder how those went through?
I thought Carmen said they were deposited on the 8 or 9th because the owner wasn't good at getting the deposits in? Or I could have the wrong checks....
 
I thought Carmen said they were deposited on the 8 or 9th because the owner wasn't good at getting the deposits in? Or I could have the wrong checks....

She did and they were the same cheques. Which the pro's implied before that, that they held on to the cheques because of the signature IIRC

But if the account was frozen... how did the cheques go through in March? Maybe it was only frozen in the sense that money couldn't be withdrawn... but cheques could go through? or auto debits (like mortgage) I need to listen to that testimony better LOL
 
I was wondering about that, if it was the same guy. I think it was IIRC it was for Chase's bank records. I don't think he really drew any conclusions, just "showed" the bank statements in a different way, and pulled specific transactions that were similar, which made the information way easier to see. I think that is why they broke early as well today, I recall the judge telling the defense that they would be allowed time between direct/cross to speak to their forensic accountant (I wonder if he was there?)
I seem to recall the defense's worry or argument was that the prosecution could interpret his cash withdrawals as spending in the casinos. I'm expecting that to be the main focus of their cross exam.
 
She did and they were the same cheques. Which the pro's implied before that, that they held on to the cheques because of the signature IIRC

But if the account was frozen... how did the cheques go through in March? Maybe it was only frozen in the sense that money couldn't be withdrawn... but cheques could go through? or auto debits (like mortgage) I need to listen to that testimony better LOL
I don't think the bank account was frozen until after the Metro checks were deposited. I remember Chase telling the detectives Carmen phoned him about what to do with the cheques and he couldn't believe they hadn't already banked them because the account would be frozen.
 
I seem to recall the defense's worry or argument was that the prosecution could interpret his cash withdrawals as spending in the casinos. I'm expecting that to be the main focus of their cross exam.

Could be, I don't recall them mentioning anything specific.. just wanting to know what he was going to testify about, what his conclusions were going to be, etc. Not just the reports. That is why the judge said he would allow them to discuss with their expert before cross. IIRC
 
I don't think the bank account was frozen until after the Metro checks were deposited. I remember Chase telling the detectives Carmen phoned him about what to do with the cheques and he couldn't believe they hadn't already banked them because the account would be frozen.

Will listen for it in the testimony from April today if she gave a date when she froze the account ... I only know she got the "alert" on Feb 19th.
 
My office is very flexible. There are people who are in only a couple days a week, some only a couple times a month. All are in contact via phone, email, and IM. No one shakes their hand when they are in. If my boss (who actually lives in another state) is gone for a couple of weeks, no one would shake his hand when he comes in. That would be weird and awkward.

Our consultants and auditors (ie, a more formal relationship) are in and out frequently - no handshake. If we have a meeting with someone we haven't seen in month or so, and it's a formal meeting, then handshake. Even then, if it's an informal meeting if they are people we know pretty well there likely wouldn't be a handshake.

JM and CM were in constant contact, and may not have seen each other daily, but they certainly saw each other frequently. I would be shocked to see two people who worked together closely for years shake hands when they have an informal meeting for lunch wearing shorts at a chic-fil-a.

Of note, I'm in a formal professional office on the east coast. I've also lived for years in southern California in a similar environment. SoCal is much less formal than the east coast. Add to that JM and CM were in a blue collar business, working in a shop fabricating a product, a much less formal environment. I just can't see them shaking hands.

They may have exchanged paperwork, shared fries, something like that. I've never been to a Chick-fil-a, I don't know if they would be handing food to one another. I would think DNA transfer would be less in those cases than with direct skin to skin contact via a handshake.

Just my observations.

I have frequently been the only female in a male dominated profession. Fortunately, we all treated each other as equals. Whether in the office or out in the field the most common way each of us greeted the other was with a light pat on the shoulder. I’m not sure what the dna transfer pattern would be in that case. I’m on the West coast.
 
IIRC it was... that he wired the money he "took" from Paypal to Chase. What I'm not clear on at the moment is... where did the remainder of the 10K go? Did anyone catch that? was there possibly another transfer to Chase?

Ok... so I have gone back to my notes and need to amend this post...



Geis construction wired $6250 to Dan Kavanaugh on 2/19/10

Dan wired $5000 of that to Chase.

So the 10K that Dan took from Paypal that was talked about today went to ... I dunno where.

Screenshots of Dan's incoming/outgoing transfer and Chases incoming.
 

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Does everyone believe that CM took a polygraph test back in the day? Is this going to be presented as evidence? How does one get the list of evidence? Is it possible to get the list ahead of the date it is presented? I know I have little knowledge of California law and courtroom proceedings.
 
Could be, I don't recall them mentioning anything specific.. just wanting to know what he was going to testify about, what his conclusions were going to be, etc. Not just the reports. That is why the judge said he would allow them to discuss with their expert before cross. IIRC
Start at 18.00 for Maline's argument about the gambling, or start at 13.54 to hear the whole objection by McGee to him testifying, because it made him look foolish that Prosecution had used a forensic accountant after McGee said they didn't in his opening speech.

 
Start at 18.00 for Maline's argument about the gambling, or start at 13.54 to hear the whole objection by McGee to him testifying, because it made him look foolish that Prosecution had used a forensic accountant after McGee said they didn't in his opening speech.



McGee didn't say they didn't hire one.

from OS's...

We next knew that this was a financial case, so we contacted Denis Shogren, who is a forensic accountant. He has been an accountant for 20 years, his primary purpose is he's a forensic accountant in trusts and wills, he likes to see where money goes, where it's spent. And it's funny we really needed him because this is a financial case but the government never wrote for an accountant to tell them where the money went. You are going to learn about that. Our expert gave them a report, they hired one now. I guess we will see where that goes.
 
I have frequently been the only female in a male dominated profession. Fortunately, we all treated each other as equals. Whether in the office or out in the field the most common way each of us greeted the other was with a light pat on the shoulder. I’m not sure what the dna transfer pattern would be in that case. I’m on the West coast.
That's cuz you be smart, girl.
 
McGee didn't say they didn't hire one.

from OS's...

We next knew that this was a financial case, so we contacted Denis Shogren, who is a forensic accountant. He has been an accountant for 20 years, his primary purpose is he's a forensic accountant in trusts and wills, he likes to see where money goes, where it's spent. And it's funny we really needed him because this is a financial case but the government never wrote for an accountant to tell them where the money went. You are going to learn about that. Our expert gave them a report, they hired one now. I guess we will see where that goes.
He did say that in his motion argument to the judge, video linked above.
 
I think his shaky money situation, was due to not knowing how to handle money intelligently, rather than being "not very well off." Heck, JM paid him something like $173,000!! That's an enormous amount of money to have, for not having anything at all to show for it. What. A. STUPE.

Exactly. If you cannot pay your rent or utility bills, while earning 173k a year, then I am going to think you have a major drug or gambling issue.
 
He did say that in his motion argument to the judge, video linked above.

Then my assumption is that this guy specifically was not hired until after OS's. I bet the defense asks about that tomorrow.

But I also assume the prosecution will have more than just this one then as well. He was solely looking at Chase's. They should also have one that looked at Joseph's, no?

fyi ... the accountant discussed in this motion, is also the one that testified today.
 
Poor JM, if in fact he was going to allow CM access to the financial end of EIP.

CM's financials were one big hot mess. Unfreakinbelievable!

I know. I hope the jury gets that. I think the Pros is trying to paint that picture for them.

Might be why they highlighted that SOS check to CJ.

I think it is an important backdrop to that QBook activity by Chase. Is the jury going to believe that Joey wanted to bring Chase in to his bank account , giving him access to create his own checks, knowing Chase was always behind in bills, bouncing checks, needing money, and being irresponsible?

That is going to be a hard sell for the defense. Especially since it happened right when Joey and his family suddenly vanished. That cannot be a coincidence, in my opinion.
 
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