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BBM. Not exactly.

The relevant code section is CA PEN CODE section 1054.1 (f). Any reports issued by an expert must be given prior to trial. Names of witnesses must also be exchanged.

But this is not civil procedure. It's different.

Here are a couple cases that illustrate the law as to experts. They're not exactly on point but help to show how this works and the appeals process surrounding expert info disclosure or the lack thereof:

People v. Tran (2002). Issue was that a gang expert testified without a 30 day disclosure that he would be testifying as a gang expert. No resume was disclose nor other info to indicate this witness was an expert or the nature of his proposed testimony. The expert testimony was allowed and the defendant appealed after conviction. His conviction was upheld and judgment affirmed.

"Tran and Maa Le contend that the trial court erred in allowing Detective Chris Le to offer expert testimony because the prosecutor did not comply with the reciprocal discovery statutes. The prosecutor listed Detective Chris Le as one of the People's “potential witnesses,” but did not either specify that he would be called to give expert testimony or provide his resume to defense counsel. It was not until a hearing held at the trial's commencement that the prosecutor stated her intent to call Detective Chris Le as an Asian gang expert, although the prosecutor had listed him as a witness at least 30 days before trial. Defense counsel for Tran objected on the ground that Penal Code section 1054 et seq. required pretrial disclosure that Detective Chris Le would testify as a gang expert.

Proposition 115 (Pen.Code, §§ 10541054.7), which provision the electorate passed in June 1990, provides for reciprocal discovery in criminal cases. (See Wardius v. Oregon (1973) 412 U.S. 470, 93 S.Ct. 2208, 37 L.Ed.2d 82 [requiring criminal discovery to be reciprocal].) Penal Code section 1054.1 requires prosecutors to disclose specified categories of information “if it is in the possession of the prosecuting attorney or if the prosecuting attorney knows it to be in the possession of the investigating agencies.” Subdivision (f) of section 1054.1 of the Penal Code requires prosecutors to disclose “[r]elevant written or recorded statements of witnesses or reports of the statements of witnesses whom the prosecutor intends to call at the trial, including any reports or statements of experts made in conjunction with the case, including the results of physical or mental examinations, scientific tests, experiments, or comparisons which the prosecutor intends to offer in evidence at the trial.”2 Penal Code section 1054.3 sets forth the defense disclosure requirements. Disclosures must be made at least 30 days prior to trial, unless good cause is shown why a disclosure should be denied, restricted or deferred. (Pen.Code, § 1054.7.)

The criminal discovery statutes have been construed to require a party to disclose “ ‘all witnesses it reasonably anticipates it is likely to call....’ “ (Izazaga v. Superior Court (1991) 54 Cal.3d 356, 376, fn. 11, 285 Cal.Rptr. 231, 815 P.2d 304.) Penal Code sections 1054.1 and 1054.3 “reasonably should be interpreted to require both the prosecution and the defense to disclose the names and addresses of persons whom they intend to call as witnesses at trial, if such information is known or is reasonably accessible.” (In re Littlefield (1993) 5 Cal.4th 122, 135–136, 19 Cal.Rptr.2d 248, 851 P.2d 42.) These disclosures give defense counsel the opportunity to interview witnesses. (Reid v. Superior Court (1997) 55 Cal.App.4th 1326, 1332–1333, 64 Cal.Rptr.2d 714.) To establish that the prosecutor failed to disclose a witness in violation of Penal Code section 1054.1, subdivision (a), “the record must affirmatively demonstrate that a specific witness or witnesses were known to and intended to be called by the prosecutor, but were undisclosed to the defense as required by the discovery chapter.” (People v. Tillis (1998) 18 Cal.4th 284, 292, 75 Cal.Rptr.2d 447, 956 P.2d 409.)


*5 In criminal proceedings, all court-ordered discovery is governed by (and is precluded except as provided by) Penal Code section 1054 et seq. (In re Littlefield, supra, 5 Cal.4th at p. 129, 19 Cal.Rptr.2d 248, 851 P.2d 42 [a primary purpose of the section is to facilitate the ascertainment of facts, and the opportunity to interview witnesses is integral to that purpose].) Courts may not broaden the scope of the discovery permitted by these provisions. (People v. Tillis, supra, 18 Cal.4th at p. 294, 75 Cal.Rptr.2d 447, 956 P.2d 409.)

The issue here is whether, by virtue of subdivision (f) of section 1054.1 of the Penal Code, the prosecutor should have either turned over Detective Chris Le's resume, thereby alerting the defense that Chris Le would offer expert testimony, or provided additional information about the proposed expert testimony. The statute only refers to reports or statements “made in connection with the case.” An existing written resume is generally not something prepared for the specific case. Here, there is no indication that the resume was “made in connection with the case.” Indeed, there was evidence that this resume had been in existence, for it was used “for warrant” and “subpoena purposes.”

Proposition 115 does not contain the extensive pretrial discovery of expert testimony contained in Code of Civil Procedure for civil cases (see generally Code Civ. Proc., §§ 2019, 2034). Instead, Proposition 115 does not require discovery for expert testimony that is not reduced to a report, for there is no provision for the pretrial identification of witnesses as experts without there being a written report. Here, the prosecutor did disclose in a timely fashion that Detective Chris Le might testify at trial. Penal Code section 1054.1 did not on its face require the prosecutor to inform the defense of the nature of a disclosed witness's testimony or in what capacity he would testify, for example, as a gang expert.
Although Proposition 115 has been interpreted as prohibiting counsel from failing to learn or acquire information to avoid disclosure (In re Littlefield, supra, 5 Cal.4th at p. 133, 19 Cal.Rptr.2d 248, 851 P.2d 42), that is not the situation here. The defense did have the opportunity to interview the witnesses whom the prosecutor identified and inquire about their testimony. (See Reid v. Superior Court, supra, 55 Cal.App.4th at pp. 1332–1333, 64 Cal.Rptr.2d 714.) Moreover, the defense was aware as of the preliminary hearing that there would be opinion evidence about gangs. Accordingly, there was no violation of the discovery requirements of Penal Code section 1054.1.

Even if Penal Code section 1054.1 is interpreted to require prosecutors to identify specifically witnesses from whom they will solicit experttestimony, preclusion of Detective Chris Le's testimony would not have been the proper sanction in this case. Preclusion of a witness's testimony not disclosed before trial is the ultimate sanction and is justified only where the nondisclosure was willful and for the purpose of gaining a tactical advantage and because lesser sanctions, such as a continuance, fines or jury instructions, would be inadequate. (Pen.Code, § 1054.5, subds.(b), (c); see also People v. Gonzales (1994) 22 Cal.App.4th 1744, 1753–1759, 28 Cal.Rptr.2d 325.) There is no showing either that the prosecutor willfully failed to disclose the substance of Detective Chris Le's testimony or that the trial court's “lesser sanctions” (for example, Evidence Code section 352 and 402 hearings and limiting gang jury instructions) were inadequate. The prosecutor introduced expert gang testimony during the preliminary hearing and gave indications that Detective Chris Le, who was identified as a gang expert, might be called as a trial witness.

2Permitting Detective Chris Le to offer expert testimony also did not deny due process to defendants. There was no impropriety in having Detective Mike Young offer expert testimony at the preliminary hearing and Detective Chris Le testify as the expert at trial.




People v. Brown (2002). Issues was that the state disclosed an expert witness a day before trial. So not 30 days before as mandated. The court allowed the testimony. Defendant appealed stating the testimony should not have been allowed, as a sanction against the state. The appellate court affirmed and upheld the judgment.

I. The Trial Court's Failure to Impose Exclusion of Evidence as a Sanction for Late Disclosure of an Expert Witness.
*2 Appellant complains of late disclosure by the prosecution of the identity of the expert witness. On the Friday before the scheduled date of commencement of trial on Monday, the prosecution notified counsel for appellant of an “additional witness,” Officer Whitney, who was expected to testify “as an expert in what constitutes possession for sales.” Appellant objected to any testimony by Officer Whitney on the ground that respondent failed to timely comply with the discovery requirements Penal Code section 1054.1 Defense counsel protested that she had neither been provided with Officer Whitney's name as an anticipated witness, nor had any information—by way of a police report in the case, his testimony at the preliminary hearing, or records of his “prior testimony” in other proceedings—to prepare for cross-examination. The defense declined to waive time or request a lengthy continuance of trial, but suggested as a discovery sanction the exclusion of Officer Whitney's testimony.
The court refused to exclude the evidence, but offered to trail the matter “a couple of days” to afford counsel an opportunity to “find a transcript” of the officer's testimony in another case. Defense counsel reluctantly accepted the court's proposal of a brief continuance, but also requested from the prosecution an “offer of proof ... of what he's going to say,” and immediate disclosure of any documentary evidence Officer Whitney might use with his testimony. The trial court denied appellant's request for an offer of proof or production of documentary evidence as outside the scope of section 1054.5, and subsequently declined to instruct the jury in the terms of CALJIC No. 2.28 concerning the significance of the prosecution's belated disclosure of evidence.
Appellant argues that respondent's failure to disclose Officer Whitney as a prospective expert witness until the “eve of trial” deprived him of the right to “timely discovery,” and with it the right to effectively “confront and cross-examine witnesses.” He maintains that the court erred by refusing to impose sanctions for the prosecution's “unexcused violation of discovery procedures,” in the nature of exclusion of testimony, or at least a CALJIC No. 2.28 instruction. As a result, claims appellant, his “fair trial and due process” rights were denied to his prejudice, necessitating a reversal of the judgment.

The prosecution failed to comply with statutory discovery obligations by delaying disclosure of the identity of Officer Whitney as a witness until essentially the day before trial. (People v. McRae (1967) 256 Cal.App.2d 95, 103, 63 Cal.Rptr. 854.) “[A] defendant does have a right to the names and addresses of prosecution witnesses and a right to have an opportunity to interview those witnesses if they are willing to be interviewed. (See, e.g., Clark v. Superior Court (1961) 190 Cal.App.2d 739, 742–743 [12 Cal.Rptr. 191]; People v. Lopez (1963) 60 Cal.2d 223, 246–247 [32 Cal.Rptr. 424, 384 P.2d 16].)” (Reid v. Superior Court (1997) 55 Cal.App.4th 1326, 1332, 64 Cal.Rptr.2d 714;see also In re Littlefield (1993) 5 Cal.4th 122, 135–136, 19 Cal.Rptr.2d 248, 851 P.2d 42.) “To establish on appeal a violation of section 1054.1, subdivision (a), in failing to disclose a witness, the record must affirmatively demonstrate that a specific witness or witnesses were known to and intended to be called by the prosecutor, but were undisclosed to the defense as required by the discovery chapter.” (People v. Tillis (1998) 18 Cal.4th 284, 292, 75 Cal.Rptr.2d 447, 956 P.2d 409.) We find specious respondent's suggestion that Officer Whitney's name listed as the “ ‘filing’ officer” on the complaint furnished to appellant constituted adequate notice of his identity as a witness in accordance with section 1054.1. Only by proper disclosure on a witness list is the opposing party given reasonable notice of the identity of a witness expected to testify at trial. (See Kennemur v. State of California (1982) 133 Cal.App.3d 907, 919, 184 Cal.Rptr. 393.) A name on a felony complaint—which may be an officer who otherwise has no connection with the case—is not the functional equivalent of “[t]he names and addresses of persons the prosecutor intends to call as witnesses at trial,” for purposes of section 1054.1, subdivision (a).

*4 23 While section 1054.7 provides that if “information becomes known to, or comes into the possession of, a party within 30 days of trial, disclosure shall be made immediately” unless “good cause” for a delay is shown, the record before us is devoid of any indication of either immediate disclosure of Officer Whitney upon the prosecution's determination to present his testimony within 30 days before the commencement of trial, or any semblance of good cause for the delayed revelation of his identity to the defense. (See People v. Hammond, supra, 22 Cal.App.4th at p. 1622, 28 Cal.Rptr.2d 180.)

We proceed to a determination of the appropriate remedy for the noncompliance. “Under federal law, the factors to be considered in determining the appropriate remedy for discovery violations include: (1) the effectiveness of less severe sanctions, (2) the impact of preclusion on the evidence at trial and the outcome of the case, (3) the extent of ... surprise or prejudice, and (4) whether the violation was willful. (Taylor v. Illinois [ (1988) ] 484 U.S. [400,] 415, 108 S.Ct. 646, 98 L.Ed.2d 798, fn. 19 [98 L.Ed.2d 798, 814] citing Fendler v. Goldsmith [ (9th Cir.1983) ] 728 F.2d [1181,] 1188–1190.) [¶] Under California's reciprocal discovery scheme, there is an additional statutory requirement. Subdivision (c) of Penal Code section 1054.5 allows a trial court to preclude the testimony of a witness ‘only if all other sanctions have been exhausted.’ (Italics added.)” (People v. Edwards (1993) 17 Cal.App.4th 1248,1264, 22 Cal.Rptr.2d 3.) The preclusion sanction is available under the discovery statute “only as a last resort.” (Ibid.) “Such ‘other sanctions' are described in subdivision (b) of section 1054.5 as ‘including, but not limited to, immediate disclosure, contempt proceedings, delaying or prohibiting the testimony of a witness ... continuance of the matter, or any other lawful order.’ “ (People v. Hammond, supra, 22 Cal.App.4th at p. 1625, 28 Cal.Rptr.2d 180.)4 “Further, the court may advise the jury of any failure or refusal to disclose and of any untimely disclosure.” (§ 1054.5, subd. (b); People v. Edwards, supra, at p. 1264, 22 Cal.Rptr.2d 3.) We review the trial court's ruling under an abuse of discretion standard. (See People v. Gill (1997) 60 Cal.App.4th 743,749; People v. Jackson (1993) 15 Cal.App.4th 1197, 1203, 19 Cal.Rptr.2d 80.)

We conclude that exclusion of the officer's testimony was an inappropriate sanction in the present case.3People v. Hammond, supra,22 Cal.App.4th at p. 1625, 28 Cal.Rptr.2d 180.) Nothing in the record indicates that the omission was a deliberate effort to gain a tactical advantage by the prosecution, as may justify exclusion of evidence. (Cf., Taylor v. Illinois, supra, 484 U.S. 400, 417, 108 S.Ct. 646, 98 L.Ed.2d 798; People v. Edwards, supra, 17 Cal.App.4th at p. 1262, 22 Cal.Rptr.2d 3; People v. Jackson, supra, 15 Cal.App.4th at p. 1203, 19 Cal.Rptr.2d 80.) “f the truth is to be served, the failure to disclose, at least where not wilful, should not be punished by the suppression of evidence, but by giving the offended party a proper opportunity to meet the new evidence.” (People v. McRae, supra, 256 Cal.App.2d at p. 104, 63 Cal.Rptr. 854.) Where, as here, the court is seeking to redress prejudice from nondisclosure rather than imposing punishment for willful misconduct, consideration must be given “to whatever remedy would resolve or significantly resolve the disadvantage, for example, a continuance or a delay in presentation of the testimony to allow the surprised party the opportunity to prepare.” (People v. Gonzales (1994) 22 Cal.App.4th 1744, 1757, 28 Cal.Rptr.2d 325.) Alternative sanctions to exclusion are “ ‘adequate and appropriate in most cases.’ “ (People v. Edwards, supra, at p. 1262, 22 Cal.Rptr.2d 3.) To exclude evidence as a means of ameliorating prejudice, “the prejudice would necessarily have to be substantial and irremediable.” (People v. Gonzales, supra, at p. 1757, 28 Cal.Rptr.2d 325.) “[A]bsent a showing of significant prejudice and willful conduct, exclusion of testimony is not appropriate as punishment. To conclude otherwise might well place upon the truth-finding process an imprimatur of unreliability inconsistent with confidence in a finding of guilt.” (Id., at p. 1758, 28 Cal.Rptr.2d 325.)
*5 The trial court did not fail “to employ any of the sanctions indicated by section 1054.5(b),” as asserted by appellant. The commencement of trial was delayed for two days for defense counsel to respond to the disclosure of Officer Whitney as an expert witness, a nondisclosure remedy specifically articulated in the statute to “address prejudice caused by a lack of preparation for the witness.” (People v. Hammond, supra, 22 Cal.App.4th at p. 1625, 28 Cal.Rptr.2d 180.) We further find no error in the trial court's selection of the less restrictive alternative sanction of immediate disclosure and a brief continuance to delay the presentation of Officer Whitney's testimony. Appellant has failed to establish significant or irremediable prejudice associated with the late disclosure of the witness.
People v. Walton (1996) 42 Cal.App.4th 1004, 1017, 49 Cal.Rptr.2d 917.)


These are just a couple examples that demonstrate what needs to be disclosed regarding experts (name and contact info and any reports they've prepared, 30 days before trial) and how failures to comply are dealt with (time given to the defense to consider, research and prepare).

BBM.

This is very helpful thank you.
 
I think part of what mrjitty is saying is the court hours, the ending court early because no more witnesses, ending it early because the judge has a dentist appt, interrupting because the Judge needed to take a call, early on a defense attorney was late a few times, the objections, etc. I could go on .. lol and this is only 7 weeks in, it is expected to last for months!!! But when they are only there 9:30am-12pm 1:30pm - 4:30pm (going to 4:30 has happened rarely), plus 15 minute breaks that are usually longer than that... oh and Monday - Thursday. Friday's are days off.

Yes, precisely.

Then add on such lengthy EIC and X

I mean going back to the start of this case, I am a bit amazed how long some witnesses were on the stand compared to how much key testimony they really had.

Of course that may be a product of the mystery of the case. So the early McStay witnesses, Sequeida, DuGal, forensics took up a load of time before we even got to the gravesite evidence.
 
Ahh. Yeah. That can be annoying. Not atypical. It depends on the style of the judge.

OK. Interesting to know.

My memories of the High Court is you needed to be very on your game unless you wanted to be chewed out. Of course more senior counsel would be very chatty, but they could get a rocket from time to time (a risk of having government clients or sharp commercial clients especially). I find the slow pace and lack of urgency on working thru the witness list pretty odd.

Of course some of the fire breathers were quite different in chambers, and in those days it wasn't unusual for greenhorns to be called into chambers to be given some pointers and advice from senior judges. This happened to my friend who had a severe baptism of fire and was called into chambers. Fearing the worst, she was pleasantly surprised to be congratulated by the Judge on her calmness under pressure! In those days, one was an officer of the court first and foremost.

Every country is different though. I was recently in the german admin Courts and I was shocked at the lack of respect senior counsel had for the Judge. But in NZ any Judge was first a top Barrister, Prosecutor or Litigator and earned their stripes over a couple of decades. In germany, being a Judge is a civil service career.
 
I surmise Smith has a pretty sound grasp of reading the data, at least tower location, etc. If there is any discrepancies or clarification needed, Boles could easily provide supporting testimony. To me it's really not an issue of Smith's credibility, or lack thereof.

I missed all this.

Was he just showing the tower locations? I don't think you need an expert for that.

I do think it is a bit sloppy the State was not on top of this casino aspect in advance.
 
Why would he stay overnight when he was so close to home?

And why spend the money if he is behind on his rent?

He may have had a free room, as a COMP, but if so, that proves he spent a lot of cash at the casino.

Again, there is nothing wrong with spending a lot of cash there, unless your children are about to be evicted because the rent is unpaid.


I don't know katy, I just said it sounded like that was where the defense is going. As for whether he stayed the night, people do it all the time. Or maybe he didn't and he was playing cards all night? Either way, there are some huge time gaps (or should we call them "off grid" times?) in there that the prosecution has been saying is so out of the norm for him, it doesn't look like that is the case at all. And those are just a small snip of time during 2009/10 that they used.
 
Hi everyone, I've been reading here since the family went missing but never had an account until recently. :)

I am so very disappointed in Law and Crime for discontinuing their coverage of the case, even if only momentarily. Four people lost their lives in a horrific way --and two of them were children. The world needs to see them get the justice they deserve, as well as every piece of evidence in order to support the accuracy of that justice.

One thing that I can't stop thinking about is the advertisement about the family that was posted on Craigslist back in 2012. I wonder if the police know who posted it, if it wasn't them that is. Do any of you think it'll be mentioned in the trial? If this has been covered already in this thread and I missed it, my apologies.

All JMO <3

Welcome to websleuths :)

I remember that ad... I doubt it will make it to trial ;-)
 
At this point, no, nothing has risen to an issue that is likely to be overturned on appeal. But both parties are required to alert the other side to their complete list of expert witnesses as well as reports as to what they will be testifying to (although the DA has argued reports are not legally required-but the judge seems to be siding with the defense on this).

This is my understanding as well, just from the hearings that we have been able to hear. This is also the reason they held the 402 (?) hearing with Dr. Rudin a few weeks back as well IIRC
 
Monday, February 25th:
*Trial continues (Day 23) (@ 9:30am PT) - CA - McStay Family: Joseph (40), Summer (43), Gianni (4) & Joey Jr (3) (Feb. 4, 2010, Fallbrook; found Nov. 11, 2013) - *Charles "Chase" Ray Merritt (57/now 60) arrested (11/5/14) & indicted (11/7/14) of 4 counts of murder with special circumstance; plead not guilty. DP case.
12 jurors & 6 alternates were finalized on Tuesday (12/11/18). 8 women & 4 men, while the alternates include 4 men & 2 women. Trial started 1/7/19. Dark on Fridays.
Skipping Day 1 (1/7/19) thru 6 (1/15/19) – reference post #1180 here: CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #2
Skipping Day 7 (1/16/19) thru 11 (1/24/19) – reference post #1119 here: CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #3
Skipping Day 12 (1/28/19) thru 14 (1/31/19) - reference post #217 here: CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #5
Skipping Day 15 (2/5/19) thru 17 (2/7/19) - reference post #648 here: CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #6
Skipping Day 18 (2/13/19) thru Day 20 (2/19/19) - reference post #6 here: CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #8
2/20/19 Day 21: State witnesses: Donald Thomas Jones continued on stand. April Coronado, fraud investigator for Union bank (in 2010). Scott Weitzman, forensic accountant, certified fraud examiner. Trial continues on 2/21.
2/21/19 Day 22: State witnesses: Scott Weitzman, forensic accountant returns to the stand for cross examination. Subject to recall. Ryan Smith (phone records of Chase & Joseph’s discussed). Kevin Boles, Special Agent with FBI (phone pings). Trial continues Monday, 2/25.
 
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Right, you don't need to be a cell phone expert, or an expert at anything, to look at and enter longitude/latitude coordinates. The defense I'm guessing knows where these towers are and know the times they were pinged and how many.

The defense knows what they're doing, just like when Maline accused Rodriguez of misconduct. Or when they accused Smith of mishandling evidence with the disc being sent to them by mistake.

All in front of the jury.

What happened that Maline accused Rodriquez of misconduct? I think that was also cut out of the you tube video's. And what's this about Smith mishandling evidence? What disk?
 
This is really ridiculous to carry on about this. It was a spreadsheet regarding Smith's notations on the cell tower pings by the casino. This is not earth shattering. Obviously, no one is going to change their mind no matter where they stand on the issue. It's petty imo.

Can we move on?

This isn't what is being addressed... follow the posts back to the original comments.
 
I have never stated there was a discovery violation involved in the instant case. However you wrote that there was no obligation for the DA to disclose expert witnesses ahead of time, or to disclose their "reports" for the subject on which they would be testifying. And that is what I am disagreeing with.

@gitana1 never stated either of those things.

Expert witnesses and the content of the testimony must be disclosed ahead of the testimony being given.

The witness list yes. But not the content of the testimony. I think @gitana1 has been pretty clear on this.
 
Right, you don't need to be a cell phone expert, or an expert at anything, to look at and enter longitude/latitude coordinates. The defense I'm guessing knows where these towers are and know the times they were pinged and how many.

I would have though the tower locations are a matter of public record anyway - you don't need an expert on this.
 
I agree. There are oddities on this case. And now that we are losing the trial coverage this case is likely going to fall down the rabbit hole again. :(

yep, now everyone can go back to arguing about the stuff they have been arguing about for 9 years and no one will know what the evidence is at all. Unless we can get a few different GOOD reporters in there to give us the information, we are SOL.
 
I missed all this.

Was he just showing the tower locations? I don't think you need an expert for that.

I do think it is a bit sloppy the State was not on top of this casino aspect in advance.

I am not sure who has actually watched the trial footage of this. It's easy to find, and it's not even very long because the defense will be continuing their cross examination tomorrow because McGee needed time to go through it, and the judge agreed he should have time. Go and watch it and you will understand it better :) And sloppy.. yep, that's what I said... they have had 4 + years to do this and Smith says he did it last Monday-Wed. For a case that was so rock solid, they sure seem to be scrambling during the trial to prove that he gambled his money?
 
I don't know katy, I just said it sounded like that was where the defense is going. As for whether he stayed the night, people do it all the time. Or maybe he didn't and he was playing cards all night? Either way, there are some huge time gaps (or should we call them "off grid" times?) in there that the prosecution has been saying is so out of the norm for him, it doesn't look like that is the case at all. And those are just a small snip of time during 2009/10 that they used.

So are we going to speculate that at the 'off the grid' time the prosecution is pointing to, Chase was actually at a casino?
 
This is my understanding as well, just from the hearings that we have been able to hear.

As a tip - just because this is a bugbear for those who waded thru lawschool, the bar exam, and punishment from vindictive partners :p

It really helps to read/quote the exact statutory language @gitana1 has so helpfully provided.

If you paraphrase it, then errors will creep in.

Short version, the witness list must be disclosed. Any preprepared reports, tests etc should be disclosed. The witness does NOT need to provide in advance a report of what they will testify.

So in the case of Chase's bank account analysis for example, the Judge agreed with @gitana1

The pre-prepared spreadsheet tables were discovered. As no other report was prepared, nothing else need be discovered.

The witness is entitled to analyse the accounts on the stand. And after all the defence already has the defendants accounts themselves

The witness need not disclose in advance what the witness intends to testify about the accounts.

This is also the reason they held the 402 (?) hearing with Dr. Rudin a few weeks back as well IIRC

That hearing related to admissibility? And again, provided the defence has adequate time to prepare, it seems it can be allowed.
 
I am not sure who has actually watched the trial footage of this. It's easy to find, and it's not even very long because the defense will be continuing their cross examination tomorrow because McGee needed time to go through it, and the judge agreed he should have time. Go and watch it and you will understand it better :) And sloppy.. yep, that's what I said... they have had 4 + years to do this and Smith says he did it last Monday-Wed. For a case that was so rock solid, they sure seem to be scrambling during the trial to prove that he gambled his money?

I don't think it is that unusual for the State's experts to go back and shore up places that the defense is pushing back against during cross. Why wouldn't they?

The defense seems to be denying the Chase has a gambling problem. The State is now being forced to go harder in that direction because it is an important foundation of their central argument.

I think it was important that they went back over their data. I don't see any thing wrong with that at all. JMO
 
@gitana1 never stated either of those things.



The witness list yes. But not the content of the testimony. I think @gitana1 has been pretty clear on this.

So then why did they hold that hearing with Dr. Rudin a few weeks ago? I'm pretty sure it was to find out exactly what he was going to testify to and about and how he came to his conclusions.
 
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