CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010

[Texas Red]

Why not as he assumed he had gotten away with it and let’s be honest if the bodies had not been found he would of?

He figured by writing them and then deleting them and then ringing up Quickbooks and getting them to delete the accounts it wouldn’t be traced and for nearly 4 years it worked.

He obviously had very limited knowledge of computers and assumed once deleted there would be no trace as he had wiped it.

That’s why he only sounded the alarm once he had done what he needed to do. He looks like the good guy who has seemingly noticed his boss is missing and starts calling around the family so it doesn’t look suspicious he hasn’t noticed but he only did that once he had written the cheques , cashed them and got rid of the bodies and cleaned up the house.

Through the time the checks were written until after they were cashed CM couldn’t have had any idea he would be overlooked the way he was. I can understand him being confident later, after the authorities believed the McStay’s had gone to Mexico and the bodies had been successfully disposed, but at the time the checks were written he had no idea that the investigation would proceed the way it did.

 

[Texas Red]

But if he thought Joey was alive and well, would he be there in the house, messing with the QB accounts, writing himself checks, calling in to change the account options, etc?

How do we know it was CM that accessed JM home computer?

 

[katydid23]

Through the time the checks were written until after they were cashed CM couldn’t have had any idea he would be overlooked the way he was. I can understand him being confident later, after the authorities believed the McStay’s had gone to Mexico and the bodies had been successfully disposed, but at the time the checks were written he had no idea that the investigation would proceed the way it did.

A heavy gambling addiction can make someone do crazy things. My friend's husband stole all the money from the son's college fund, blatantly. He KNEW he would be found out but didnt care at the time because his urge to go gamble was so desperate.

He also embezzled from his job, and it was a very good job. But he didnt care because he loved to play cards.

 

[missarmchair]

My thoughts after the first week of trial:

I distrust Mike Mcstay more than ever. I understand that it's been 9 years and things are going to be hard to remember. However, Mike was giving statements back in 2010 that contradicted eachother. I always got a bad vibe from him, but then I eventually told myself "He couldn't do that to his own brother and nephews." Once Chase was arrested, I accepted Chase's guilt and felt silly for ever thinking Mike could be involved.

Now it's come out that Mike and Summer had a falling out on 4th of July (not sure of which year, neither was Mike). And if I'm remembering testimony correctly- Mike said he drove by the house on Feb 6th?? Why would he do that? Not only did he live far away but supposedly he didn't know his brother was missing until the 9th....or the 10th. So, if he really did drive by on the 6th, then WOW. All that means to me is he is involved somehow, if he really did drive by on that date. His testimony became painful to watch.

So far, I find myself going back to my thoughts on the early days of this case: That Mike McStay and Dan Kavanaugh are liars and know much more than they are telling. Is it possible they are masterminds that framed Chase? Or, all 3 were involved, but only Chase is taking the fall? I wonder.

I find it interesting that Patrick McStay said in an interview that Gina Watson is the "Only person throughout this entire thing that I've been able to trust." So Patrick didn't even trust Joey's mom Susan or Mike, his own son, in all of this. Patrick and Mike having a falling out speaks volumes to me. I would like to think that Mike is simply having a hard time remembering, but like I said earlier, he's been contradicting himself since the beginning.

 

[katydid23]

How do we know it was CM that accessed JM home computer?

He put the checks into his own account? He spent the money at the casinos, using his Club Card?

 

[asyousay]

A heavy gambling addiction can make someone do crazy things. My friend's husband stole all the money from the son's college fund, blatantly. He KNEW he would be found out but didnt care at the time because his urge to go gamble was so desperate.

He also embezzled from his job, and it was a very good job. But he didnt care because he loved to play cards.

Yes addiction is ugly, I have a friend at work who’s husband in one night lost £35’ooo gambling online. Overall he lost £100k in about 2 years but thankfully the £35000 in one night was rock bottom and he has not gambled now in 7 years.

It’s scary what people do when addicted as all they care about is the next hit.

 

[Texas Red]

A heavy gambling addiction can make someone do crazy things. My friend's husband stole all the money from the son's college fund, blatantly. He KNEW he would be found out but didnt care at the time because his urge to go gamble was so desperate.

He also embezzled from his job, and it was a very good job. But he didnt care because he loved to play cards.

Exposing oneself to a theft conviction is one thing but to a murder conviction and death penalty quite another. In addition if he was acting so 'crazy' i.e. irrationally, why is there no forensic evidence that implicates him. From my earlier posts you will see that I had previously considered CM guilty so it's not like I'm a Rick Baker type with an agenda, I'm just calling it as I see it.

 

[Texas Red]

My thoughts after the first week of trial:

I distrust Mike Mcstay more than ever. I understand that it's been 9 years and things are going to be hard to remember. However, Mike was giving statements back in 2010 that contradicted eachother. I always got a bad vibe from him, but then I eventually told myself "He couldn't do that to his own brother and nephews." Once Chase was arrested, I accepted Chase's guilt and felt silly for ever thinking Mike could be involved.

Now it's come out that Mike and Summer had a falling out on 4th of July (not sure of which year, neither was Mike). And if I'm remembering testimony correctly- Mike said he drove by the house on Feb 6th?? Why would he do that? Not only did he live far away but supposedly he didn't know his brother was missing until the 9th....or the 10th. So, if he really did drive by on the 6th, then WOW. All that means to me is he is involved somehow, if he really did drive by on that date. His testimony became painful to watch.

So far, I find myself going back to my thoughts on the early days of this case: That Mike McStay and Dan Kavanaugh are liars and know much more than they are telling. Is it possible they are masterminds that framed Chase? Or, all 3 were involved, but only Chase is taking the fall? I wonder.

I find it interesting that Patrick McStay said in an interview that Gina Watson is the "Only person throughout this entire thing that I've been able to trust." So Patrick didn't even trust Joey's mom Susan or Mike, his own son, in all of this. Patrick and Mike having a falling out speaks volumes to me. I would like to think that Mike is simply having a hard time remembering, but like I said earlier, he's been contradicting himself since the beginning.

My thoughts after the first week of trial:

I distrust Mike Mcstay more than ever. I understand that it's been 9 years and things are going to be hard to remember. However, Mike was giving statements back in 2010 that contradicted eachother. I always got a bad vibe from him, but then I eventually told myself "He couldn't do that to his own brother and nephews." Once Chase was arrested, I accepted Chase's guilt and felt silly for ever thinking Mike could be involved.

Now it's come out that Mike and Summer had a falling out on 4th of July (not sure of which year, neither was Mike). And if I'm remembering testimony correctly- Mike said he drove by the house on Feb 6th?? Why would he do that? Not only did he live far away but supposedly he didn't know his brother was missing until the 9th....or the 10th. So, if he really did drive by on the 6th, then WOW. All that means to me is he is involved somehow, if he really did drive by on that date. His testimony became painful to watch.

So far, I find myself going back to my thoughts on the early days of this case: That Mike McStay and Dan Kavanaugh are liars and know much more than they are telling. Is it possible they are masterminds that framed Chase? Or, all 3 were involved, but only Chase is taking the fall? I wonder.

I find it interesting that Patrick McStay said in an interview that Gina Watson is the "Only person throughout this entire thing that I've been able to trust." So Patrick didn't even trust Joey's mom Susan or Mike, his own son, in all of this. Patrick and Mike having a falling out speaks volumes to me. I would like to think that Mike is simply having a hard time remembering, but like I said earlier, he's been contradicting himself since the beginning.

He also removed the computer from the house.

 

[missarmchair]

He also removed the computer from the house.

And his attitude about it was so entitled and strange. "I can do whatever I want" is what he said in the video footage.
Interesting that on the desktop computer he took, a conversation was found that Joey had saved between him and Kavanaugh, in which Kavanaugh is threatening Joey. Can't help but wonder if there was damming evidence against Mike on that computer, which is why he took it. No one should have been allowed inside that house, not to mention, allowed to remove a computer. Baffling.

 

[Funky funky]

He also removed the computer from the house.

There are a few suspicious characters in this saga but we need to be confident LE have the right man. At this moment in time, I certainly have reasonable doubt, but let’s see what new evidence comes to light over the coming months.

 

[asyousay]

Has Rick Baker been in court does anybody know?

I remember his book and then his stupid blog which was ridiculous and I am wondering if he is still around as he was such a big part of this all for awhile.

 

[Texas Red]

He put the checks into his own account? He spent the money at the casinos, using his Club Card?

What does that have to do with the home computer that MM removed from the house (crime scene)? The evidence that so conveniently implicates CM in the murders is evidence that could have been planted by others, everything but DNA forensics which would be quite difficult to plant.

 

[minazoe]

I think this big SA job, blew everyone's mind and suddenly all the sharks trying to figure a way to get at that money,

I know Chase was PI$$ED... think about it, probably wouldn't make anything on the job because Joey expected Chase to pay him back with that payout. ... ahh when it comes time to pay... when the jig is up... yeah...mOO.

 

[katydid23]

What does that have to do with the home computer that MM removed from the house (crime scene)? The evidence that so conveniently implicates CM in the murders is evidence that could have been planted by others, everything but DNA forensics which would be quite difficult to plant.

Sorry, but I am confused here. What evidence are you referring to that could have been planted?

The question I replied to was " How do we know it was CM that accessed JM home computer?"

I assumed that meant " How do we know it was CM that backdated and created those checks from Joey's account?"

I was not speaking about the computer being taken from the home because CM actually put those checks into his own account and used that money to gamble in various casinos.

So I don't think it matters what happened to that computer AFTER those checks were written and cashed. JMO

 

[Mica]

What does that have to do with the home computer that MM removed from the house (crime scene)? The evidence that so conveniently implicates CM in the murders is evidence that could have been planted by others, everything but DNA forensics which would be quite difficult to plant.

I don’t understand how any evidence found in the home or on the computer removed by MM could be used in this case. Wouldn’t it be considered compromised?

 

[missarmchair]

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What does that have to do with the home computer that MM removed from the house (crime scene)? The evidence that so conveniently implicates CM in the murders is evidence that could have been planted by others, everything but DNA forensics which would be quite difficult to plant.

Speaking of DNA, I was shocked to hear none of Chase's DNA was found in the graves or on the victim's clothing...yet, unkown DNA belonging to (I think it was 3) different individuals was found and is still awaiting test results.

 

[Bernina]

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Speaking of DNA, I was shocked to hear none of Chase's DNA was found in the graves or on the victim's clothing...yet, unkown DNA belonging to (I think it was 3) different individuals was found and is still awaiting test results.

I kinda think that's a bluff...they're waiting for DNA results in the 11th hour? I think it's throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it sticks when the jury goes back to deliberate.

 

[missarmchair]

I kinda think that's a bluff...they're waiting for DNA results in the 11th hour? I think it's throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it sticks when the jury goes back to deliberate.

It very well could be. Personally, I don't think opening statements should be allowed to contain information that is not going to be presented as evidence. All it does is cause confusion.

 

[Funky funky]

Has Rick Baker been in court does anybody know?

I remember his book and then his stupid blog which was ridiculous and I am wondering if he is still around as he was such a big part of this all for awhile.

He donated 1K to Patrick's Go fund me for the trial.

 

[Bernina]

It very well could be. Personally, I don't think opening statements should be allowed to contain information that is not going to be presented as evidence. All it does is cause confusion.

I think we've seen quite a few trials where the defense's OS promises us the moon and all we get is a dumb t-shirt, lol!