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This is a very interesting news article. It was published on Wednesday, 6 August 1969 only three days after Lompoc Jane Doe's body was discovered. It does not, however, mention her case - only that four other (different) cases might be connected with the murder of Roxie Ann Phillips.View attachment 398551Horror Sweeps Salinas As Killings Are Linked — Desert Sun 6 August 1969 — California Digital Newspaper Collection
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The article mentions that Andrew Manuel was believed to have been in Salinas, California as recently as "last Saturday" which would have been 2 August 1969. He was very closely allied with John Norman Collins, and known to be his partner in numerous crimes. Both had returned from California to Michigan in late July 1969, but when he became aware that Michigan authorities were closing in, he fled back to California.
He was arrested by the FBI in Phoenix, Arizona at the home of his sister in early August 1969 and delivered to Michigan authorities. His route from Salinas, CA to Phoenix, AZ would have taken him through or near Lompoc.
In Michigan, he was offered a plea deal in which he would be charged only with theft of the camping trailer he and Collins had taken to California in return for his testimony against Collins in the Karen Sue Beineman murder trial.
Manuel provided no useful testimony, but was given only a short jail sentence for the theft charge. He was paroled early, during which time he again fled Michigan, breaking parole, and having to be apprehended again and returned to jail in Michigan.
He later served two terms in Federal prisons for other unspecified offenses.
Given the many similarities in the murder of Lompoc Jane Doe to the Michigan murders and to that of Roxie Ann Phillips (whose destination was Lompoc), AND the presence of Andrew Manuel at the time of Lompoc Jane Doe's violent murder, I believe that he should be considered a strong suspect in her death.
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Andrew Manuel's Arraignment in Ypsilanti. It wasn't until Andrew Julian Manuel helped John Norman Collins fraudulently rent a seventeen...
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Andrew Manuel, associate of John Norman Collins, is no longer living. He spent several terms in state and federal jails and prisons, but was never ( to my knowledge) charged with murder.
Some investigators of the Michigan Co-Ed Murders felt that possibly more than one killer contributed to the murders of young women in the years 1967 to 1969. There is a long thread about John Norman Collins and those cases in the Serial Killer section.
Collins has been incarcerated in Michigan since 26 July 1969, first in pre trial confinement and then in prison (where he still resides) following his conviction and life sentence for the murder of Karen Sue Beineman.
Collins was indicted in California for the June 1969 murder of Roxie Ann Phillips, but not released by Michigan for extradition to California while his appeals were pending. When made available, California declined to pursue prosecution for financial reasons.
Andrew Manuel accompanied Collins from Michigan to California, where they stayed in a stolen camping trailer in June to July 1969. He very likely knew of Collins' crimes, and probably participated in them. Immediately following Collins' arrest back in Michigan, Manuel fled the state and returned to California by bus, disposing of Collins' revolver enroute.
Manuel spent a few days in Salinas, CA, carefully cleaning the stolen camper of all fingerprints and other potential evidence.
He left Salinas at some point (late July or early August) for Phoenix, Arizona where he was arrested by FBI agents on 6 August 1969. His route of travel would have taken him by or through Lompoc just about the time Lompoc Jane Doe was brutally stabbed to death.
Manuel was being sought by California authorities as a suspect in other murders of girls and young women at the time of his arrest. He was brought back to Michigan and agreed to testify against Collins in return for a guilty plea and light sentence for theft of the trailer.
In the end, Manuel provided no useful testimony at Collins' trial.
Could he have been the killer of Lompoc Jane Doe? Who was she, where did she come from, and how did she meet her killer?
Some investigators of the Michigan Co-Ed Murders felt that possibly more than one killer contributed to the murders of young women in the years 1967 to 1969. There is a long thread about John Norman Collins and those cases in the Serial Killer section.
Collins has been incarcerated in Michigan since 26 July 1969, first in pre trial confinement and then in prison (where he still resides) following his conviction and life sentence for the murder of Karen Sue Beineman.
Collins was indicted in California for the June 1969 murder of Roxie Ann Phillips, but not released by Michigan for extradition to California while his appeals were pending. When made available, California declined to pursue prosecution for financial reasons.
Andrew Manuel accompanied Collins from Michigan to California, where they stayed in a stolen camping trailer in June to July 1969. He very likely knew of Collins' crimes, and probably participated in them. Immediately following Collins' arrest back in Michigan, Manuel fled the state and returned to California by bus, disposing of Collins' revolver enroute.
Manuel spent a few days in Salinas, CA, carefully cleaning the stolen camper of all fingerprints and other potential evidence.
He left Salinas at some point (late July or early August) for Phoenix, Arizona where he was arrested by FBI agents on 6 August 1969. His route of travel would have taken him by or through Lompoc just about the time Lompoc Jane Doe was brutally stabbed to death.
Manuel was being sought by California authorities as a suspect in other murders of girls and young women at the time of his arrest. He was brought back to Michigan and agreed to testify against Collins in return for a guilty plea and light sentence for theft of the trailer.
In the end, Manuel provided no useful testimony at Collins' trial.
Could he have been the killer of Lompoc Jane Doe? Who was she, where did she come from, and how did she meet her killer?
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"Decomposed Body Found Near Lompoc," Californian [Salinas, CA], 4 August 1969, 2.
The unidentified and badly decomposed body of a young woman was found Sunday by a sheriff's detective in the bushes near State Highway five miles southeast of here.
Officer William Kelley found the body when called to the area to investigate a complaint of someone hunting illegally.
Vaughn Proctor, "Widespread investigation to identify murdered girl," Lompoc Record, 5 August 1969, 1.
Preliminary results of an autopsy revealed that the girl had been stabbed 15 times, eight times in the back, five times in the chest and two in the neck area.
[...]
The body was fully clothed in a dark blue, or purple shirt, white, bell-bottomed trousers with dark blue, daisy type flowers bearing red centers. Her feet were clad in sandals, size seven and a half. Another source revealed that the girl's fingernails were painted with silver polish.
"Young woman's body found near Lompoc," Peninsula Times Tribune [Palo Alto, CA], 5 August 1969, 12.
Sheriff's detectives sought clues today into the identity of a young woman two hunters found dead with repeated stab wounds in a remote gully.
Officers theorized the girl was killed somewhere else and her body dumped at the Santa Barbara County site, a quarter mile off California 1, because no missing persons fitting her description were known locally.
[...]
She was stabbed in the chest and back with a knife repeatedly, officials said.
Vaughn Proctor, "Young girl slayings compared by authorities," Lompoc Record, 6 August 1969, 1.
Efforts to identify the victim in Lompoc Valley have thus far proved futile. Officials said the body had lain alongside the road for up to five days and was badly decomposed. The time element is an important factor in [Sheriff's Inspector Peter J.] Zanella's thinking.
[...]
Preliminary results of an autopsy indicate the girl found in Lompoc Valley died as a result of 16 stab wounds, one of them through the heart.
Investigating officials said the slaying indicated a savage assault by a sadistic psychopath.
The Lompoc Valley victim is described as 5-feet-3 to 5-feet-4, weighing 120 to 125 pounds, with reddish blond hair, blue eyes and wearing a blue or purple shirt, bellbottomed trousers bearing daisy-type flowers.
Authorities were also interested in the fact that the Lompoc Valley victim had pierced ear lobes and was wearing small spring-type earings [sic].
Vaughn Proctor, "New evidence revealed in girl's murder," Lompoc Record, 8 August 1969, 1.
Sheriff's Inspector Peter J Zanella told the Record for the first time today that the girl's hands were bound at the wrist with a thin piece of white plastic wire at the time she was found. He said the wire was loosely tied to permit a six-inch space between the wrists. Crime lab technicians are analyzing the wire, Zanella said.
Vaughn Proctor, "Sheriff deputy relates theory on girl's death," Lompoc Record, 9 August 1969, 1.
Robert W. Kelley, a Sheriff's detective, made the statement yesterday in his first public account of the gruesome discovery. The statement is in conflict with previous opinions that indicated the girl had been killed elsewhere, then transported to the brush-choked ravine where she was found.
Kelley bases his theory on the discovery of a small amount of blood a couple of feet away from the point on the Grefco Quarry Road where the killer thrust the girl's body down the slope. The story is not a nice story, but it's all part of the continuing dialog that surrounds the unsuccessful efforts to identify the body.
Kelley theorizes that the blood along the edge of the narrow road indicates that a struggle took place there. He theorizes that the killer brought the girl still alive to the scene in a car, opened the door, wrestled the girl to the road, stabbed her repeatedly, then tossed her body down the brush clogged slope. Kelley figures it was then, almost as an afterthought, that the killer scrambled down the few feet to the girl's prostrate body and cut her throat to be sure she was dead. A large quantity of blood was found beneath the body.
[...]
The dental report indicates her molars had fillings and that one bicuspid in the upper teeth protruded outward slightly in a "bucktooth" fashion.
Kelley made the gruesome discovery late Sunday afternoon while hunting with a friend, on a lonely road, .2 of a mile from the intersection of Grefco Quarry Road and Highway 1.
Kelley said his attention was first attracted to a small wooden box just off the edge of the road. "I stepped closer to examine the box and noticed a peculiar smell," he said. "Then I saw the legs of a woman sticking up out of the brush just over the edge of the slope."
[...]
He [Kelley] says he also noticed "drag marks" from the edge of the road to the top of the slope overlooking rugged ravine below. The marks indicate that the body was dragged along the ground, probably after the stabbing, he said.
[...]
Kelley found that the killer had bound the girl's arms at the wrist with a three to four foot-long piece of white plastic telephone cord –– probably indicating that she was a prisoner of the killer and therefore alive when she was brought to the scene.
Sometime later Kelley found a blood-soaked denim shirt similar to western garb, about 40 feet from the location of the body.
The unidentified and badly decomposed body of a young woman was found Sunday by a sheriff's detective in the bushes near State Highway five miles southeast of here.
Officer William Kelley found the body when called to the area to investigate a complaint of someone hunting illegally.
Vaughn Proctor, "Widespread investigation to identify murdered girl," Lompoc Record, 5 August 1969, 1.
Preliminary results of an autopsy revealed that the girl had been stabbed 15 times, eight times in the back, five times in the chest and two in the neck area.
[...]
The body was fully clothed in a dark blue, or purple shirt, white, bell-bottomed trousers with dark blue, daisy type flowers bearing red centers. Her feet were clad in sandals, size seven and a half. Another source revealed that the girl's fingernails were painted with silver polish.
"Young woman's body found near Lompoc," Peninsula Times Tribune [Palo Alto, CA], 5 August 1969, 12.
Sheriff's detectives sought clues today into the identity of a young woman two hunters found dead with repeated stab wounds in a remote gully.
Officers theorized the girl was killed somewhere else and her body dumped at the Santa Barbara County site, a quarter mile off California 1, because no missing persons fitting her description were known locally.
[...]
She was stabbed in the chest and back with a knife repeatedly, officials said.
Vaughn Proctor, "Young girl slayings compared by authorities," Lompoc Record, 6 August 1969, 1.
Efforts to identify the victim in Lompoc Valley have thus far proved futile. Officials said the body had lain alongside the road for up to five days and was badly decomposed. The time element is an important factor in [Sheriff's Inspector Peter J.] Zanella's thinking.
[...]
Preliminary results of an autopsy indicate the girl found in Lompoc Valley died as a result of 16 stab wounds, one of them through the heart.
Investigating officials said the slaying indicated a savage assault by a sadistic psychopath.
The Lompoc Valley victim is described as 5-feet-3 to 5-feet-4, weighing 120 to 125 pounds, with reddish blond hair, blue eyes and wearing a blue or purple shirt, bellbottomed trousers bearing daisy-type flowers.
Authorities were also interested in the fact that the Lompoc Valley victim had pierced ear lobes and was wearing small spring-type earings [sic].
Vaughn Proctor, "New evidence revealed in girl's murder," Lompoc Record, 8 August 1969, 1.
Sheriff's Inspector Peter J Zanella told the Record for the first time today that the girl's hands were bound at the wrist with a thin piece of white plastic wire at the time she was found. He said the wire was loosely tied to permit a six-inch space between the wrists. Crime lab technicians are analyzing the wire, Zanella said.
Vaughn Proctor, "Sheriff deputy relates theory on girl's death," Lompoc Record, 9 August 1969, 1.
Robert W. Kelley, a Sheriff's detective, made the statement yesterday in his first public account of the gruesome discovery. The statement is in conflict with previous opinions that indicated the girl had been killed elsewhere, then transported to the brush-choked ravine where she was found.
Kelley bases his theory on the discovery of a small amount of blood a couple of feet away from the point on the Grefco Quarry Road where the killer thrust the girl's body down the slope. The story is not a nice story, but it's all part of the continuing dialog that surrounds the unsuccessful efforts to identify the body.
Kelley theorizes that the blood along the edge of the narrow road indicates that a struggle took place there. He theorizes that the killer brought the girl still alive to the scene in a car, opened the door, wrestled the girl to the road, stabbed her repeatedly, then tossed her body down the brush clogged slope. Kelley figures it was then, almost as an afterthought, that the killer scrambled down the few feet to the girl's prostrate body and cut her throat to be sure she was dead. A large quantity of blood was found beneath the body.
[...]
The dental report indicates her molars had fillings and that one bicuspid in the upper teeth protruded outward slightly in a "bucktooth" fashion.
Kelley made the gruesome discovery late Sunday afternoon while hunting with a friend, on a lonely road, .2 of a mile from the intersection of Grefco Quarry Road and Highway 1.
Kelley said his attention was first attracted to a small wooden box just off the edge of the road. "I stepped closer to examine the box and noticed a peculiar smell," he said. "Then I saw the legs of a woman sticking up out of the brush just over the edge of the slope."
[...]
He [Kelley] says he also noticed "drag marks" from the edge of the road to the top of the slope overlooking rugged ravine below. The marks indicate that the body was dragged along the ground, probably after the stabbing, he said.
[...]
Kelley found that the killer had bound the girl's arms at the wrist with a three to four foot-long piece of white plastic telephone cord –– probably indicating that she was a prisoner of the killer and therefore alive when she was brought to the scene.
Sometime later Kelley found a blood-soaked denim shirt similar to western garb, about 40 feet from the location of the body.