Found Deceased CA - Madyson Middleton, 8, Santa Cruz, 26 July 2015 - #1 *Arrest*

[corundogs]

I can tell the difference between blue and brown. I am not colorblind. The dumpster which was behind the chain link fence in the SFGate article- the blue one- is the one they said she was found in. I did see the brown dumpster with the broken/half open black lid in the other photo with the numerous blue recycling bins.

So glad to have finally cleared that up!!

 

[Madeleine74]

All the *advertiser censored*, violence, and music talk is confusing to me. I admit I'm unfamiliar with how often *advertiser censored* plays a role in crimes like this so maybe it's an accurate jump to make. I'm not complaining - I'm just wondering why it's being discussed in such depth.

This happens a lot when a child is killed by another minor. People want something to blame and this (or violent video games) is commonly used as the big bad thing from which all or most teen violence stems. Whether that is actually true or not, I don't know.

 

[katydid23]

All the *advertiser censored*, violence, and music talk is confusing to me. I admit I'm unfamiliar with how often *advertiser censored* plays a role in crimes like this so maybe it's an accurate jump to make. I'm not complaining - I'm just wondering why it's being discussed in such depth.

And ftr I agree things are out of control. Gamergate came right out of video games so I don't know how there could NOT be a connection.

We have an epidemic of young teen boys killing little children. It makes sense to look at what has changed in the lives of young males in our society. I think the internet is one of the key factors.

When I was a kid, my older brother used to look ay national geographic and my Dad's hidden stash of Playboys. Now teen boys can click on a free link and see pictures of gang rapes and violent sexual images. I think it would be naive not to see a connection. JMO

 

[stillfromny]

A lot of it is how much time they are allowed to sit alone in a dark room with their computer. Kids need human interaction, and lots of other healthy activities to keep them involved in regular life. Too many kids come home and sit alone at the computer and they slowly separate themselves from normal human
interactions.
Teens should socialize and 'date' and learn to empathize with and understand each other. JMO

Agree. those two teens that Murdered their entire family had black curtains on their walls and never left the home? They are perfect examples of teenage recluses who sat in their rooms and did nothing but stare at a computer screen pretty much all day long , that is not healthy.

 

[mrsobrien]

I know we're emotional and stressed, but...does the color of various refuse containers or violent *advertiser censored* really matter right now? Maybe we can find a more constructive route for conversation.

How about a list of knowns and unknowns? We can put together a timeline?

 

[katydid23]

This happens a lot when a child is killed by another minor. People want something to blame and this (or violent video games) is commonly used as the thing from which all or most teen violence stems. Whether that true or not, I don't know.

I am not 'blaming' anything else. Just trying to understand the surge of young males killing little children in a gruesome fashion. It seems to be a trend and I doubt they are learning it from Mom or Dad, or from school. So where are these urges coming from?

 

[kimi_SFC]

8 years old, third grade.

My 8 year old just finished the 2nd grade. She's going to enter 3rd grade in the fall. Has it been released that Little Maddy was a 3rd grader? Not that it really matters, I guess. She'll never get to go back to school again. :cry:


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[bluesneakers]

I think if they are raised in a certain way, they'll be able to resist the violent, sexualized gore & not just resist but be repulsed by it. I agree that it's dangerous to desensitize them to it but how do we stop that from happening?

IMO part of it must be the outside influences they get that goes along with what they see. Like Dylan Rooff had all his ideas but it was after he started reading (and interacting?) with others that he decided to take action.

I think maybe kids who are able to resist are raised in a different way and maybe they have a better understanding of what's fake and what's real.

 

[SophieRose]

No, they spotted her as late as 5:05, but all he had to do was get her out-of-sight, then he had his 24 hours. We don't know what time his parents came home. The police chief seemed to think she was dead by 6:00.

Police were called at 6:08 pm, so I guess they think she was already dead by the time they arrived.

 

[HarvestMoon]

I'm in Central Ca, and my recycle bin is blue and my garbage is grey. Maybe it's different for different counties??

North bay, and mine are the same. Green waste in green cans, not that we have much anymore given the severe drought.

 

[bellesnwhistles]

If you mean they have to enter red door to get to chain link viewable area-I agree-it is what the immediate building they enter upon after opening red door that matters. I hope I am making myself a little clear. I appreciate your comment. Thanks

Yes, I was saying in that picture with the fence that was inside the building with the red door where she was found (I believe) I think we are on the same page? Haha

 

[katydid23]

More teens are unsupervised, more broken families with no one around to supervise the kids, delegation of parenting responsibilities, easier to let kids zone out in front of a TV or Internet, permissive attitudes, lack of accountability, parents being 'friends' to their kids instead of parents. It starts inside the home. It starts with the parents. Parents are the first line of defense in structuring what kids can and can't get access to. Sure, there's 'bad stuff' out there. It's up to the parents to make sure they keep the 'bad stuff' from their kids and visa versa.

I totally agree with all of the above. And if you end up with a kid who is unsupervised, home alone most of the day and night, lonely, left to his own devices, then the computer will be his companion. And it can be a very bad influence.

It is next to impossible to keep the bad stuff away from a teen these days. if they have a cell phone or a tablet or laptop there is not a lot one can do. Parental control only go so far, imo.

 

[bluesneakers]

We have an epidemic of young teen boys killing little children. It makes sense to look at what has changed in the lives of young males in our society. I think the internet is one of the key factors.

When I was a kid, my older brother used to look ay national geographic and my Dad's hidden stash of Playboys. Now teen boys can click on a free link and see pictures of gang rapes and violent sexual images. I think it would be naive not to see a connection. JMO

I used to look at my mom's art books. Michelangelo's David was of particular interest.

 

[stillfromny]

I think it's a really good conversation to have. I will be a first time parent of a tiny baby girl and I don't want to be one of those "overly" protective parents but at the same time, being a best friend doesn't work either. I think creating that balance is probably the hardest thing?

 

[bessie]

Poor Maddy


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Heartbreaking, and beyond sickening that we can predict the ME's findings before they are released because we've heard the same story repeated so often.

Rest in peace, dear girl.

 

[corundogs]

If you mean they have to enter red door to get to chain link viewable area-I agree-it is what the immediate building they enter upon after opening red door that matters. I hope I am making myself a little clear. I appreciate your comment. Thanks

That red door opens into that underground area, the garage, I believe. But it is where that blue bin is located. The fencing is to the right of that red door.

In this photo, you can also see all of the blue bins that are lined up in the photo with the brown garbage bin.

I think the recycle bin might be located further inside the garage. Since it appears that the whole garage area is the chain link fencing, probably a bit difficult to pinpoint where it is exactly without seeing photos of the entire garage area. I haven't seen them posted.

 

[LinasK]

North bay, and mine are the same. Green waste in green cans, not that we have much anymore given the severe drought.

I'm in the East Bay and my trash company is A.V.I., but we had a different one before that and I think the cans were the same.

 

[mrsobrien]

I think it's a really good conversation to have. I will be a first time parent of a tiny baby girl and I don't want to be one of those "overly" protective parents but at the same time, being a best friend doesn't work either. I think creating that balance is probably the hardest thing?

You've just singled out what it takes most parents years to see, imo. Balance is the objective. You'll be a fabulous parent.

 

[bluesneakers]

A lot of it is how much time they are allowed to sit alone in a dark room with their computer. Kids need human interaction, and lots of other healthy activities to keep them involved in regular life. Too many kids come home and sit alone at the computer and they slowly separate themselves from normal human interactions.
Teens should socialize and 'date' and learn to empathize with and understand each other. JMO

I think it might be this (because they have no idea about what's actually going on outside), but it also might be interacting with bad people on the internet (because they are easily influenced and interacting with terrible people). Maybe it depends on the personality, or maybe it's even both.

 

[Madeleine74]

It is next to impossible to keep the bad stuff away from a teen these days. if they have a cell phone or a tablet or laptop there is not a lot one can do. Parental control only go so far, imo.

More challenging, yes. And who provides the cell phone, the tablet, and the laptop to teens? Who pays for the cell phone plan, the Internet plan, the Netflix and streaming entertainment and cable TV subscriptions? Parents, the vast majority of the time.