GUILTY CA - Michelle Hoang Thi Le, 26, Hayward, 27 May 2011

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DLynn, I don't know what to say, except thank you for all that you are doing. You are very helpful to the family and it's great that you got tips and pointers from Mark Klaas. It's really great that you are there and motivated to help. I commend you. Here's hoping that Michelle is found soon, and the persons responsible for this horrendous deed are brought to justice.

Did you hear any talk regarding what this is all about?
 
DLynn, I don't know what to say, except thank you for all that you are doing. You are very helpful to the family and it's great that you got tips and pointers from Mark Klaas. It's really great that you are there and motivated to help. I commend you. Here's hoping that Michelle is found soon, and the persons responsible for this horrendous deed are brought to justice.

Did you hear any talk regarding what this is all about?



Thank you. All I can say is that I would consider this part of my ministry, helping people. My background is marketing and running a small business,so I try to put my gifts to work when the I can. Michelles story has touched me in so many ways- I worked with her, have children her age and her brother has touched my heart.The other day I was interviewed by the news and they asked me if I had something similar happen in my life and I told them NO ....but upon reflection I have. My brother has schizophrenia and all my life- for years at a time- my brother would disappear then reappear. I have wondered if he is alive or dead for years at a time. Sometimes 8 years has passed before I hear that he is still alive. So I guess, In some ways I can really relate to Michelles case, and to the not knowing, the wondering, the fear. I myself have learned to live with the fact that I may never see my brother again....

I hope for Michael that is not the case and that his mind can put be put to rest,one way or the other. Not knowing is what sucks. (excuse the expression but that is the only way to describe it):sick:
 
I cant understand in missing person cases they always have lots of people searching.
Why is this so secretive, to say the Niles or Palomares Canyon has been searched and parts of Alameda county thats like saying they are searching in Australia.
If they are done with that area why not let the public know. Especially the family.

The family would be more thorough.
 
Has anyone noticed on the FB page that someone named "Eileen Gail Roces" keeps writing RIP?

I think that if I were LE, I would be checking out whoever that person is.

I'm just going back over some old posts and this one jumped out at me. What FB was this posted on? I googled this girls name and she looks like a nursing student around Michelles age. Odd that she would be assuming that Michelle was dead and repeating RIP. Very odd , IMHO.
 
I'm just going back over some old posts and this one jumped out at me. What FB was this posted on? I googled this girls name and she looks like a nursing student around Michelles age. Odd that she would be assuming that Michelle was dead and repeating RIP. Very odd , IMHO.

Well, if all she knows is that Michelle's case is a homicide investigation, it is not really that odd for her to believe she is dead, I guess...
 
I have studied the area, the news coverage, the message boards, and everything else I can get my hands on - some of it with skepticism, but still keeping an open mind. My absolute hope is that she is safely returned. I can't even begin to imagine how difficult this must be for the family. As the days turn into weeks though the likelihood of that is unfortunately less and less of a possibility. LE has already changed the status due to forensic evidence they have obtained but refuse to release. It was good to hear that they have some promising leads.

Just some thoughts: (thinking out loud)

Information about search parties, flier locations, and friends/family wasn't properly set up on the website or media. I drove down Mission but didn't know WHERE (until later that evening – aka pointless) that they were at Kmart's parking lot. A bit of information can go a long way for better turnouts. I know a lot of people who would have probably shown up if only they could punch in the address into a GPS. (Yes, people are that lazy.)

I drove down Niles Canyon Rd today into Sunol from Mission Blvd. If you look at a map, it wouldn't be difficult to leave the hospital parking garage, in her vehicle, travel down the 580 freeway, connect to 680 and get out around Sunol. It isn't that far of a drive.

Let's say that you're the kidnapper/murderer/whatever. You're going to be nervous that someone is going to see you, report the vehicle stolen, or caught in some other way. Your goal after taking her is to get rid of her as soon as possible - not drive around with her all night. It was 7pm, so the sun was pretty much down and even around this hour the pathway between Union City/Fremont to Sunol is still pretty well traveled at night – I know because I visit friends in Pleasanton all the time and refuse to use 580. A car is passing every few minutes. The last thing that person wants is a witness.

Along the road - there are *NOT* many places to simply pull over and place a body since there aren't enough spots to safely pull over. It's a bidirectional two lane road - for the most part but it's a BIG area. There is a lot of ground to cover. But onto that, the person isn't going to go hiking with Michelle especially after dark. She's well over 100lbs so searching in some areas such as far up the mountain isn't as sensible. A person wants to get rid of someone then they are going to choose an off beaten path, away from houses, people, and preferably buried or under water. If you understand forensics, you'd damn well know why.

Unless, they took her to a house in that area? We haven’t ruled that out. That would be pretty much the only case in which she would still be alive.

So if they dropped her some place then after Michelle is gone - they return to the street but don't park her car back in the garage. I'd speculate that this was done because the person needed to change back into their OWN car...that lacked forensic evidence - keeping all of that into Michelle's vehicle. It was VERY risky for them to use her vehicle and drive out of the garage. Also, isn't it a pay garage? How did they get out? I don’t know many garages in Oakland that aren’t pay.

Fliers are nice, but having an idea of where someone HASN'T searched is very helpful and currently non-existent. It's a large area... Michelle didn't just vaporize. She is out there some place. We need to find her and it would be what she would want, (and I don't even know her but... if it were me, I'd want someone out there looking for me and to find me... wouldn't you?)

I did a search for cellular towers in the area of Mission/Decoto/84/Niles Canyon Rd. LE had indicated they felt she was probably in that area. The reason why her phone went dead - simple, everyone kept bombing it with calls trying to get in touch with her. Her phone battery couldn't withstand the onslaught of people calling it probably before LE could do a proper trace. Obviously, it was a HUGE mistake by the person who harmed her to leave it on... but much to LE's benefit. This points to a crime that was committed hastily, with fear of getting caught, and even ballsy. Simply because her phone is missing doesn't mean it's with her. Yet, it's a BIG clue - it would be nice to know where those triangulations were made... but that is information that is being withheld (as far as my knowledge). It would certainly narrow the search considerably!

After reviewing the press coverage and noting not what the police said but more what they held back – it would seem to me that they already narrowed it down to who took her. I doubt the cameras in that area are THAT bad to where you can’t make out a face. I hope they catch who did this.

I've read a lot of posts from people who speculate wildly about what happened but, sticking to the facts is very important. There is information that we know... and information we don't. The only way to find her is to ensure that the information is being properly disseminated. Without a doubt there are a lot of people who would love to help but it seems that teams aren’t being well constructed, who knows what locations have been searched, and what the latest information is.

The last thing the person who harmed/took her wants is an informed group of citizens and law enforcement looking for her and finding her. No doubt what she wants is for someone to locate her.

-JB
 
It was VERY risky for them to use her vehicle and drive out of the garage. Also, isn't it a pay garage? How did they get out? I don’t know many garages in Oakland that aren’t pay.

There's a trend in my city for pay garages to use machines that take money or credit cards at the exit rather than have live attendants. I would think they'd have a video camera there if there's no attendant.

Also, if this was her assigned garage, she might just have to swipe a parking pass (usually kept within reach in the car's ashtray or console) to leave, sometimes down a separate exit, thereby avoiding any attendants or pay machines.
 
Well, if all she knows is that Michelle's case is a homicide investigation, it is not really that odd for her to believe she is dead, I guess...

If I recall correctly, she was posting that BEFORE it was declared a homicide.
 
There's a trend in my city for pay garages to use machines that take money or credit cards at the exit rather than have live attendants. I would think they'd have a video camera there if there's no attendant.

Also, if this was her assigned garage, she might just have to swipe a parking pass (usually kept within reach in the car's ashtray or console) to leave, sometimes down a separate exit, thereby avoiding any attendants or pay machines.

This was addressed earlier in the thread---it's not a pay garage.
 
I've have to bring up the case with James Kim. The LE did not find him even with their rigorous search through the woods. It was James Kim's father's aviation company's employees that found him. They used a helicopter to search the radius of the cell phone towers that last received a ping from James Kim's phone. They were fortunate to have the resources though to be able to look for James Kim and his family, such as his father's aviation company, and the fact he worked for a media broadcasting company.

But my point is, I think creating and starting search groups through the areas where people believe she may be would be the best thing to do right now. And it looks like Marc Klaas has already recommended it after watching the patch video from slowpoke's post.
 
The Hayward PD is acting like the Alameda Fire dept. There is a point when you need to
step in and help. There is a point when the funny game is over and you need to help.
The bay area is like the Seti Project(Before they canceled it) people are willing to search
they have the technology, skill, resource etc. But without a general area, its kind of hard. Now if they are bluffing about the evidence they have they are wasting precious time.
 
I cant understand in missing person cases they always have lots of people searching.
Why is this so secretive, to say the Niles or Palomares Canyon has been searched and parts of Alameda county thats like saying they are searching in Australia.
If they are done with that area why not let the public know. Especially the family.

The family would be more thorough.

Hi, Mox. I am trying to understand your perspective-are you saying you dont believe LE is searching for her?
 
What Im Saying is I have a Mead Telescope that I can see a ants butt a mile away.
I have a camera with a telescoping lens. And I might even be able to talk a pilot into flying over the Nile If its allowed (Low wires etc) So what Im saying is if they have a area that they think she is at I think they should make it public.
 
http://michellelemissing.com/?page_id=42

The family is working towards organizing search parties.

They are looking for a "staging area" in or around Hayward where they can gather, and asking for the public's help in this regard.

I hope all the details can be worked out quickly!

This family is really trying. My heart goes out to them.
 
http://michellelemissing.com/?page_id=42

The family is working towards organizing search parties.

They are looking for a "staging area" in or around Hayward where they can gather, and asking for the public's help in this regard.

I hope all the details can be worked out quickly!

This family is really trying. My heart goes out to them.

Mine does too. I wish I lived in N. Ca and could do something to help. I am glad that the family has some support, from Mark Klass and from people like DLynn...
 
Is the police even helping the family in their searches at this point? Seems like the police is doing their own thing and the family is doing their own.

:waitasec:
 
Is the police even helping the family in their searches at this point? Seems like the police is doing their own thing and the family is doing their own.

:waitasec:

The best way to deal with this is to ensure that the right information is getting to the right people. The family should set up a control center and clearinghouse for information gathering complete with maps of the area, contact list, and even communications management (walkie talkies, technology, etc.). Then establish a liaison to the police department, a liaison to the press, and a coordinator for volunteers who can then provide information upward to the family. This is really the best way to handle an operation of this magnitude considering the circumstances and area involved.

The website, great! – but keep it updated, please. The hotline to the police and the family, excellent!

With all the leads and information coming in what good is information unless it has been fully validated? What good is setting up and sending out search parties into areas of town that don’t make sense or ground that has already been covered? If the family really intends to work along side law enforcement then there has to be a partnership, period.

This is a question from my previous post but, what specific areas did the cell phone ping to? There should be a triangulation area or pathway the phone traveled. While the phone may not be with her, finding it may help find her or give a huge hint as to where to search. So far, I’ve only seen limited discussion on her cell phone trace or pathway it took the day she disappeared. It’s obvious from what I’ve read so far that the person of interest or whatever you call him/her accidentally left it on during the fight/kidnapping/etc. While LE might be holding back information about search areas there are a few reasons why this would be:
1. They don't want John Q. Public stumbling into the crime scene and potentially contaminating evidence.
2. They don't want any liability for a volunteer falling or getting hurt on a trail/cliff.
3. They don't want to tip off the person who did it so that they relocate the body. (if she's not alive)

I'd certainly like to make it clear that without specific details about her cell phone – it is nearly impossible to setup a team that will find her with as much real estate there is to search. The canyon area alone is quite difficult to walk and there are not enough volunteers or LE without better information on where to begin looking we're barely scratching the surface. Yes, LE has already searched 30 acres, excellent! We need to know where those locations were so we don’t search those again and waste time. Just hoping we "get lucky" with a search team is not a way to conduct a search of an area.

The whole point of this post is that every minute we waste doubling and tripling our efforts is more time Michelle Le is missing… we need to be efficient.

I am in Northern California, btw. I’ll gladly join a search team – as long as we’re doing a search smartly. My bag is packed and I’m ready to start looking, just need to know WHERE a good place is to start.
 

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