CA - Off Duty Police Officer shoots man and parents after altercation in Costco, Corona, June 2019

[jjenny]

I think we need a link from MSM of the officers name.

I posted several upthread.

 

[Curiousobserver]

I am shocked that there are no witnesses all over LA television.

 

[RANCH]

I posted several upthread.

Oh I'm sorry. Thanks.

 

[SuziQ]

Thank you for this. So, I wonder if he called for help first before firing 6-7 shots, and how that plays into the"believing he needed to use force", and "using no more force than necessary". I imagine the setting (a crowded store) is relevant if the person or persons he believed were attacking him were unarmed.

Imo, it would depend on the situation. If I was in fear for my life, I would shoot as many times as needed. That might be twice, or six times. I'm not fond of the idea that I can't save my life because other people are around.

 

[Jessthinkin]

There is a video from what has been reported.

At some point, I’m pretty sure we’d all like to see that video.

 

[mickey2942]

I think we need a link from MSM of the officers name.

I posted one earlier. From the LAtimes.

It is interesting to see the various headlines for this shooting.
Costco shooting: Man pushed LAPD officer, but deadly force was excessive, attorney says

Attorney: LAPD officer in fatal Costco shooting was knocked out, came to and fired gun to protect himself, son – Press Enterprise

 

[jjenny]

Forensics can give info on whether a shot was from above or below - anyone know if it would also provide clues whether the person (who was shot) is moving toward the gun or was standing still?

I've never really thought about Costco having security cameras (it seems so obvious now that they would) but even without video of the whole incident, there should other evidence like the 6 or 7 bullets and/or bullet wounds. Also, does Costco's security cameras include audio? I saw an article where the cop's lawyer says that the cop did say he is an officer before shooting - without audio, it might not be clear from a (silent) video what the officer is saying.

I am not sure what difference would it make if he said he was a cop or not? He was off duty at the time.

 

[Eclipse]

I think we need a link from MSM of the officers name.

Here is one:

Costco shooting: Man pushed LAPD officer, but deadly force was excessive, attorney says

 

[Jax49]

Oh I'm sorry. Thanks.

Some were behind paywalls but this one shouldn't be.

Officer in Corona Costco shooting was knocked unconscious, attorney says

The officer was identified by multiple sources as Salvador Sanchez, a patrol officer in the Southwest Division, The Times reported. He suffered minor injuries.

 

[Eclipse]

I posted one earlier. From the LAtimes.

It is interesting to see the various headlines for this shooting.
Costco shooting: Man pushed LAPD officer, but deadly force was excessive, attorney says

Attorney: LAPD officer in fatal Costco shooting was knocked out, came to and fired gun to protect himself, son – Press Enterprise

Ah, you beat me to it

 

[jjenny]

Imo, it would depend on the situation. If I was in fear for my life, I would shoot as many times as needed. That might be twice, or six times. I'm not fond of the idea that I can't save my life because other people are around.

But do you think your life is more important than lives of these other people? If you are shooting in a crowded place multiple times, you potentially are going to shoot or kill completely innocent people. You don't think that matters? Or your life more important than anybody's?

 

[RANCH]

Imo, it would depend on the situation. If I was in fear for my life, I would shoot as many times as needed. That might be twice, or six times. I'm not fond of the idea that I can't save my life because other people are around.

I'd like to know the details of what really happened.

Not condensed one sided view points from peoples lawyers who are acting only in their clients interests. JMO

 

[SuziQ]

'Mentally ill' man who was shot dead by an off-duty cop in Costco was off his medication | Daily Mail Online

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a lawyer for the family of a man who was fatally shot by an off-duty police officer in a Southern California Costco says the victim was mentally ill and recently went off his medication.

Attorney Dale Galipo also acknowledged Tuesday that 32-year-old Kenneth French pushed or slapped the back of the Los Angeles police officer in the Costco on Friday night.

Galipo says French was taken off his medication due to other health complications and that may have affected French's behavior.

 

[mickey2942]

Ah, you be me to it

There are plenty more, all of them extremely biased. Either one way or the other.

The officer was either attacked and defending himself. Or the officer was a shooter, who killed a disabled man and wounded his parents.

Not much center ground.

 

[SuziQ]

But do you think your life is more important than lives of these other people? If you are shooting in a crowded place multiple times, you potentially are going to shoot or kill completely innocent people. You don't think that matters? Or your life more important than anybody's?

I think in the heat of the moment I would think my attacker is a danger to me and everyone around me.

 

[jjenny]

There are plenty more, all of them extremely biased. Either one way or the other.

The officer was either attacked and defending himself. Or the officer was a shooter, who killed a disabled man and wounded his parents.

Not much center ground.

He did kill a mentally disabled man and wounded his parents (mother is said to be in really bad shape and could die too). Those are the actual facts. The dispute is whether that qualifies as self-defense.

 

[Curiousobserver]

Not the first time the officer has been in a tense situation. This time (below) he didn't fire his weapon.

http://da.lacounty.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/JSID_OIS_Carranza, Hernandez.pdf

 

[jjenny]

I think in the heat of the moment I would think my attacker is a danger to me and everyone around me.

I would think the person shooting in a crowded place would be a danger to everyone around that person.

 

[fannneee]

There are plenty more, all of them extremely biased. Either one way or the other.

The officer was either attacked and defending himself. Or the officer was a shooter, who killed a disabled man and wounded his parents.

Not much center ground.

Exactly what I thought about most of the articles only biased mostly one way. They use the off-duty cops version as gospel truth. No qualifier like "alledgedly" (sp?)

 

[Eclipse]

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I think in the heat of the moment I would think my attacker is a danger to me and everyone around me.

Well, if you have a gun- you would also probably think- what would this obviously erratic person do with my gun if they get hold of it- besides just killing me.