Still Missing CA - Orson & Orrin West (3&4), California City, 21 Dec 2020 #5

[MsBetsy]

I hope so. They didn't say that though. Would be nice if they were more clear about that. It's not like it's a reward for a lost watch. These are two little vulnerable human beings. MOO

I think $95,000 is still a significant amount even if the council doesn't reinstate their share. I doubt the reason for the expiration date is because they don't care about Orrin and Orson.

The money will either provide an incentive to someone who knows something or it won't. People who truly care and want to help generally don't expect anything in return. Reward money is rarely collected in cases like this. It helps generate tips but also leads to extra work following up on useless tips.

It could also be that the only people who know anything are the perpetrators. In that case no amount of money will help. Imo

 

[PommyMommy]

Yeah, I don’t understand this. Are they sending a message? Was this deadline set in the beginning?

Jan 10, 2021
Cal City Council agrees to add to reward fund for missing boys | News | avpress.com
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Councilmember KM said that as much as she wants to see the West boys returned safely, she was hesitant to approve the request because there is no policy in place.

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AL [City Manager] suggested to the Council that they could approve the reward and have it expire midnight Tuesday and a policy would be presented at the next Council meeting for approval, also Tuesday.

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The Council approved in a 5-0 vote to approve the City Manager’s request to use money from the city’s reserves for the reward and bring forward a policy at the next City Council meeting.

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[AgeofAquaruis]

I think $95,000 is still a significant amount even if the council doesn't reinstate their share. I doubt the reason for the expiration date is because they don't care about Orrin and Orson.

The money will either provide an incentive to someone who knows something or it won't. People who truly care and want to help generally don't expect anything in return. Reward money is rarely collected in cases like this. It helps generate tips but also leads to extra work following up on useless tips.

It could also be that the only people who know anything are the perpetrators. In that case no amount of money will help. Imo

Good point. It's just a matter of breaking the perp/s who obviously would be exempt from any reward money?

 

[MsBetsy]

TW stated they kept them inside didn't let them go anywhere. Due to the pandemic. They dropped them off at the grandparent's on the 19th. You right though it was not stated which grandparents. It would nice to hear it from the horse's mouth ( the grandparents) They could easily clear that up. They have voices. There are 6 children dependant on grown ups. Speaking up. MOO

Yes, Trezell said that but I was referring to the suggestion that the grandparents mentioned covid as a reason for not seeing them.

Since LE won't say which grandparent saw the boys and when, it could be that they asked the extended family not to talk to the media about the investigation. Even if the siblings did stay with them on the 19th, it still doesn't tell us what happened to Orrin and Orson. We already know the siblings were not home when the boys were reported missing. Imo

 

[Rachelj1]

Good point. It's just a matter of breaking the perp/s who obviously would be exempt from any reward money?

Exactly they would have zero benefit in a reward.

 

[MsBetsy]

Good point. It's just a matter of breaking the perp/s who obviously would be exempt from any reward money?

Right, and they would also likely end up in prison. The reward money might be an incentive for someone who knows something but is afraid of getting in trouble, or even afraid of the suspects, or torn between being loyal to the perps and doing the right thing. LE may hope or believe there is someone like that out there. Imo

 

[MsMarple]

Kids that age can describe a lot through drawing too. Hopefully , like you said, they have someone really skilled working with them.

MOO

ITA! In Lonzie's case his 5 year old sister actually told LE about a blue house and a dinosaur. LE ignored it but it turned out that right down the street from where Ebron finally revealed he dumped little Lonzie's body there was... a blue house and yep, a dinosaur statue. The dinosaur was removed earlier but if LE had mentioned it and the blue house in msm it's likely neighbors would have called in.

IMO little kids are a wealth of information. It might take some time for the other kids in Orrin's and Orson's case to feel comfortable sharing but I'd bet dollars to donuts they hold some key information.

 

[Knox]

Ok, that makes sense. I was starting to go down a rabbit hole ...

No need to proceed

 

[PommyMommy]

FEB 9, 2021
Siblings of Orrin and Orson West in foster care; judge to determine adoptive parents’ custody | KGET 17
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“In child protective services, protective custody means they’re place in a foster home,” said Jana Slagle, a spokesperson from the Department of Human Services in Kern County. “They’re removed from their family with the allegation of abuse or neglect, and placed in a foster home.”

Her department deals with cases of parental neglect which ultimately end up in juvenile court.

“Every time a child is removed by either law enforcement or CPS,” Slagle said. “We’re involved in the court process for those children”

She says there is a process through which parents are evaluated. She spoke generally about the process and emphasized she was not talking specifically about the California City case. Frequently, the parents must complete certain tasks, aimed at ensuring the children’s safety, to regain custody.

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[Knox]

Siblings of Orrin and Orson West in foster care; judge to determine adoptive parents’ custody
VIDEO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“In child protective services, protective custody means they’re place in a foster home,” said Jana Slagle, a spokesperson from the Department of Human Services in Kern County. “They’re removed from their family with the allegation of abuse or neglect, and placed in a foster home.”

“Every time a child is removed by either law enforcement or CPS,” Slagle said. “We’re involved in the court process for those children”

“The parents are given a court ordered case plan and if they complete what’s asked of them then they can get their children back in their custody,” Slagle said.

“That’s where everybody’s coming to the table and presenting information on how did the parents do, did they do enough to get their kids back,” Slagle said. “Or are they doing well, but not quite there we need to extend this a little longer, give them more time just presenting it all together there.”
Siblings of Orrin and Orson West in foster care; judge to determine adoptive parents’ custody | KGET 17

 

[MsBetsy]

“In child protective services, protective custody means they’re place in a foster home,” said Jana Slagle, a spokesperson from the Department of Human Services in Kern County. “They’re removed from their family with the allegation of abuse or neglect, and placed in a foster home.”

“Every time a child is removed by either law enforcement or CPS,” Slagle said. “We’re involved in the court process for those children”

“The parents are given a court ordered case plan and if they complete what’s asked of them then they can get their children back in their custody,” Slagle said.

“That’s where everybody’s coming to the table and presenting information on how did the parents do, did they do enough to get their kids back,” Slagle said. “Or are they doing well, but not quite there we need to extend this a little longer, give them more time just presenting it all together there.”
Siblings of Orrin and Orson West in foster care; judge to determine adoptive parents’ custody | KGET 17

This article also states that they have two "adopted" children. I don't think I've seen any yet that report them as having two foster children.

I'm wondering what the Wests Case Plan is. I'm thinking their case may be a little different than the typical CPS case. It may be depend on whether or not Orrin and Orson are found and what happened to them. Imo

 

[imstilla.grandma]

This article also states that they have two "adopted" children. I don't think I've seen any yet that report them as having two foster children.

I'm wondering what the Wests Case Plan is. I'm thinking their case may be a little different than the typical CPS case. It may be depend on whether or not Orrin and Orson are found and what happened to them. Imo

I remember reading one article. One. It was posted in one of these threads. I may have even posted it but I do specifically remember the oddity. It read something like: O&O are adopted. They have two bio kids and the other set of siblings were foster kids. I can’t find it now but it was out there in one of the news reports.

 

[elliefant]

I remember that too @imstilla.grandma . I think it was what led to people speculating here whether a check on the foster children was coming up and given as a possible reason why the parents had to report the adopted pair , O&O, missing now.
After that it was confirmed in reports and the family newsletter that there are 4 adopted and 2 bio.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

It should be noted that the two brothers are the youngest of four adopted siblings and share two older siblings who are the biological children of their adoptive parents. That is six children in total who are our primary focus.

The boys and their sibling joined our family legally last year when the parental rights of their birth mother were taken away by the State of California and the birth fathers collectively gave up their parental rights.
FIND OUR MISSING BOYS — ORRIN AND ORSON WEST (OFFICIAL WEST FAMILY STATEMENT)
*im confused. The first paragraph implies two other siblings. Second paragraph implies one sibling.

 

[elliefant]

Yes I puzzled over that too. I thought maybe it meant 3 of the 4 adoptees were legally adopted on the same date, or maybe it meant 1 of the other 2 adoptees was also a bio sibling of O&O (I feel sure Bio mother would have mentioned that though).

In the end it suited my simple brain better to assume they accidentally left an ‘s’ off the end of the word siblings, and all 4 were legally adopted the previous year. Not sure if that is right

 

[MsBetsy]

I remember reading one article. One. It was posted in one of these threads. I may have even posted it but I do specifically remember the oddity. It read something like: O&O are adopted. They have two bio kids and the other set of siblings were foster kids. I can’t find it now but it was out there in one of the news reports.

That might have been after the interview with the police Chief and the reporter was repeating what he said. Every article before that reported the Wests as having four adopted children and two biological. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

Yes I puzzled over that too. I thought maybe it meant 3 of the 4 adoptees were legally adopted on the same date, or maybe it meant 1 of the other 2 adoptees was also a bio sibling of O&O (I feel sure Bio mother would have mentioned that though).

In the end it suited my simple brain better to assume they accidentally left an ‘s’ off the end of the word siblings, and all 4 were legally adopted the previous year. Not sure if that is right

Yes, I think they just left out the s at the end. There are six children altogether and the other pair of siblings are not Orson and Orrin's biological siblings.

I'm pretty sure adopting siblings automatically makes them eligible for special needs and adoption subsidy payments. Imo

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Regarding
Siblings of Orrin and Orson West in foster care; judge to determine adoptive parents’ custody | KGET 17

Is it telling us something that O and O's 4 siblings were placed in foster homes rather than with relatives of TW and JW? Or does that sound typical?

 

[Rachelj1]

Regarding
Siblings of Orrin and Orson West in foster care; judge to determine adoptive parents’ custody | KGET 17

Is it telling us something that O and O's 4 siblings were placed in foster homes rather than with relatives of TW and JW? Or does that sound typical?

I think it is . I did read where it’s protocol , but I don’t buy it . Especially their biological children ... I can’t see them being placed with the state. When there is so much other family ... it seems strange .
Moo