Me too. How do we find out?I was wondering what they used for scent as well.
Me too. How do we find out?I was wondering what they used for scent as well.
Here’s the link to the “Neil_witness” post from Thread 1, post #492, July 29: And he talks about the temperature being in high 90's by the time he finished hiking around 9:30am. Paul would have still been on his way out, maybe at the oasis by then. And not much shade. That's hot in my opinion, even if "it's a dry heat." jmoThe first time I have heard it was a comfortable temperature is above in his sister's comment.
For some reason , I was under the impression that it was very hot by that time of morning
I didn't take it as negative at all. I think we both seem to be amazed at the robust nature of 80's searching in the blazing heat. My heroes!Oh my, apologies if my post came across as anything negative concerning the volunteers, I think it’s absolutely amazing that they’re doing this and find it very admirable. I only meant to point out that maybe they could use some help. Kudos and many thanks to them for their hard work and dedication.
I will go ahead and say it. The trail witness seemed iffy to me. Sorry. I just felt something didn't ring true. and boom he's gone.
Yes, I agree with you it's important to analyze the disparities in statements. You have done so respectfully, and that shows class. : )I am not slamming Neil at all, but I DO think bringing up discrepancies is important. Neil may be the accurate one here---isn't it important to know if the media is not reporting this totally accurately? For instance the time. The wife saying she last saw him leave around 9 vs. Neil saying he was 2/3 of the way to the oasis at 9ish. That is a pretty large discrepancy. To be on the trail and 2/3 of the way to the oasis, he probably would have had to leave the hotel around, what? 815? 8? You figure in driving there plus hiking 2/3 of the way out. So if Neil is correct here, then why is the wife saying something else? Or where did the media get the timeline from if they are to blame? You know what I mean?
I think questioning the difference in info is important because one of the most vital parts of an investigation is an accurate timeline, and we seem to have two different timelines going on here.
I am not slamming Neil at all, but I DO think bringing up discrepancies is important. Neil may be the accurate one here---isn't it important to know if the media is not reporting this totally accurately? For instance the time. The wife saying she last saw him leave around 9 vs. Neil saying he was 2/3 of the way to the oasis at 9ish. That is a pretty large discrepancy. To be on the trail and 2/3 of the way to the oasis, he probably would have had to leave the hotel around, what? 815? 8? You figure in driving there plus hiking 2/3 of the way out. So if Neil is correct here, then why is the wife saying something else? Or where did the media get the timeline from if they are to blame? You know what I mean?
I think questioning the difference in info is important because one of the most vital parts of an investigation is an accurate timeline, and we seem to have two different timelines going on here.
My issues and concerns are the same as yours.Iffy as in he only posted to reinforce the idea that Paul was on the trail that day, or iffy as in he may have done something to Paul or iffy as in you think he was mistaken about who he saw?
My issue with Neil's account is that it doesn't match what has been reported in the media in two important ways.
#1 - He said he spoke with officials the very next day but for days the JTNP spokesperson said no one had seen him on the trail that day. Is this due to a breakdown in communication amongst the officials, or did Neil not speak with anyone until days/weeks later?
#2 - Neil said he saw Paul around 9:00, which is when Paul's wife says she last saw him at the hotel (and what has been reported in the media repeatedly). It's possible Neil saw someone else entirely.
thank you for this ^^^^I am not slamming Neil at all, but I DO think bringing up discrepancies is important. Neil may be the accurate one here---isn't it important to know if the media is not reporting this totally accurately? For instance the time. The wife saying she last saw him leave around 9 vs. Neil saying he was 2/3 of the way to the oasis at 9ish. That is a pretty large discrepancy. To be on the trail and 2/3 of the way to the oasis, he probably would have had to leave the hotel around, what? 815? 8? You figure in driving there plus hiking 2/3 of the way out. So if Neil is correct here, then why is the wife saying something else? Or where did the media get the timeline from if they are to blame? You know what I mean?
I think questioning the difference in info is important because one of the most vital parts of an investigation is an accurate timeline, and we seem to have two different timelines going on here.
And this media report claims that Paul called his wife from the Oasis and that was the last time she heard from him..And as we've later been informed he didn't even carry his cell phone with him. My money is not on the media. jmo
Hiker missing for days at Joshua Tree National Park
Are there public phones at the Oasis?
From the description of the park and hiking there, there is barely even any cell phone service. This link reports how and where to try for it.Are there public phones at the Oasis?