CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #8

[katydid23]

BBM - "She" in your sentence being DS?

No, she being RN.

 

[katydid23]

I'm astounded that anyone would seek to blame Rebecca for Maxie's death.

I am not 'blaming' her for Maxie's death. I am just saying that she might have supervised him more closely since he was playing at the top of a dangerous staircase. I do not see that as trashing her. I am just thinking like a parent might think if their child was lying in the ICU with a broken neck. That's all.

 

[elementry]

WOW. My interpretation, fwiw, is that she is talking to JS. She may be saying that she 'saved' him, perhaps from his loneliness, his prior marriage, whatever. But can he save her, from herself perhaps?

or under the Big-Pharma extortion conspiracy theory (which i believe LE said they did not consider), she covered for him on some particular incriminating fact, but (the killer is taunting JS), can he save his significant other? (No is the answer).

or a message from the brother, if he's the crazy one who offed her.

 

[sorrell skye]

I really don't understand why so many posters think their "gut instinct" should over ride actual police investigation.
LE has a job to do and they do it to the best of their ability with all of the tools available to them. I believe those tools far surpass any "feeling" a poster has regarding a case.
If LE says Rebecca's death is a suicide, then I am confident it was a suicide

bbm

IMO, it has less to do with so-called "gut instinct", and more to do with common sense, logic, experience, knowledge of past cases, and good old-fashioned research.

 

[Quester]

LE said that JS never went back to the house. And there were NO reports that she ever went to the hospital. I cannot link a report that does not exist.

Those other things are my speculative opinions. I think she felt guilty and she felt others blamed her as well. I could be wrong. But have you heard him say publicly that she was not at fault?

As for the erased phone message, didn't LE say it was from the hospital, telling her Max's turn for the worse?

Your previous statements were written as statements of truth and fact, rather than as opinions as you are now stating.

LE did not name who left the later erased message but you did.

 

[arielilane]

Jane Velez-Mitchell just finished talking about Rebecca's story.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

He should not have been allowed to run and jump around at the top of that dangerous staircase. End of story. And accident or not, that is what he was doing. He should not have been allowed to play up there all alone, totally unsupervised, if he did not have the self control necessary to avoid such a tragic outcome. This was a dangerous, un-child proofed home. I would not have left a 6 yr old alone at the top of those stairs.

And if what if he in fact wasn't allowed to play there but was also one of those "you're not my mother" kids who refused to obey Rebecca? What should she have done, tied him up? Locked him in his room?

 

[elementry]

LE said that JS never went back to the house. And there were NO reports that she ever went to the hospital. I cannot link a report that does not exist.

Those other things are my speculative opinions. I think she felt guilty and she felt others blamed her as well. I could be wrong. But have you heard him say publicly that she was not at fault?

he said NADA about his lover; not even a public expression of sorrow or condolence. At least until today, as almost an afterthought in his official press release after he was officially put in the clear by LE.

 

[arielilane]

"painted a message on the bedroom door"

http://abcnews.go.com/US/coronado-m...ruled-suicide-sister/story?id=14435011&page=2

The message written on the door reminds me of a 70's thing. Not something RZ would do.

 

[scorekeeper]

There is no evidence whatsoever that Rebecca was "raising" Maxie all by herself. I left my children in the care of others all the time. If one of them had died for lack of supervision, I guarantee you I would place blame.

Where do you get Maxie died from lack of supervision? Where was that stated by LE today at the PC? There was no mention of neglect.

RN is a victim also. Why are you blaming her for Maxie's tragic accident?

 

[MyBelle]

I am not 'blaming' her for Maxie's death. I am just saying that she might have supervised him more closely since he was playing at the top of a dangerous staircase. I do not see that as trashing her. I am just thinking like a parent might think if their child was lying in the ICU with a broken neck. That's all.

ITA. I find it harder to believe the parents did NOT blame her. Whether the blame was justified or not, any parent would be in blame mode.

 

[deanna82437]

That is one bizarre message. What could it possibly mean? It makes no sense.

Along with numerous other things in this "case" :waitasec:

 

[time]

Right along the lines of what i am thinking. Did she do research to find out how to tie your hands behind your back. And they didn't show how she did this with her feet tied. Did she do a lot of hopping? And why would she tie her feet? Are they alledging that she was trying to make it look like a homicide?

Because the only other person I could find in research who tied their hands AND feet to committ suicide was trying to make it look like a homicide so the faily could benefit from his life insurance.

SignOnSanDiego said today that Niel Nalepa told them the painted door said "She saved him, can he save her." I'm sorry I don't have the link right now, but you can go to the site, it is their latest article on it.

She could have had a gun pointing at her while she did this to herself. And where did the black paint come from? And what is the signifigance of the message?

And don't tugboat captains have knowledge of all sorts of knots? Adam could have killed her, on his own or at the urging of his brother.

And that message is directed at her and Shacknai, I think. Or it was something she wrote before she enacted this elaborate staging to make people think that she had been murdered. And THAT I cannot buy.

Whether it was suicide or murder or suicide, WAY too many questions are unanswered, and they are important ones. This is where you brief the family and maybe the public about what you have so far, and then say the investigation is ongoing. IMO.

I don't think they were suggesting she was trying to make it look like a homicide, no. Not at all. I think they did not show a full recreation/simulation because it wasn't going to work out well to convince people it was a suicide....probably.


"She saved him, can he save her."


Hmm ... off hand this does not make any sense to me if written by Rebecca. It sounds more like someone would write to say can JS or someone else save Rebecca? It's not writte as if the woman wrote it but as if someone is referring to the woman (she). And, 'save her' ... from death? I still think some of this was forced, done by gun point or something. That message would just make me even more concerned it was from a killer rather than the victim.

 

[arielilane]

Max Shacknai fell from a railing in the home's front stairwell and struck the carpeted floor face first, fracturing his forehead officials said. If that were the only injury he had sustained, he may have survived according to the medical examiner.
However, the fall caused a bending of the child's neck, causing an injury of the spinal cord. That injury interfered with his heart rate and breathing, causing irreversible brain damage Lucas said


Source: Mansion Death Ruled a Suicide | NBC San Diego

 

[jjenny]

Along with numerous other things in this "case" :waitasec:

What I don't understand is why the family lawyer claimed it was Max's siblings who were in the home and yet LE appears to be saying it was RN's sister?

 

[x_files]

That is one bizarre message. What could it possibly mean? It makes no sense.

Do we know what the message was? thank you.

 

[TorisMom003]

I see alot of blame on Rebecca for not watching Max with an eagle eye in a "27 room" huge house that was not "child friendly". Look, here's the deal. Rebecca did NOT buy that huge 27 room house that was not child friendly. Rebecca did not take her children to vacation in a house that was not child friendly. If anyone is to blame for an accident that happened to Max because the house was a huge "27 room" that was NOT "child friendly" perhaps it should be the person that bought the house and took his children to that house for vacations without child proofing the house. Where was Jonah when Max had his accident? Oh yea, GOLFING. Where was DS when Max had his accident? Oh yea, NO IDEA as she was very difficult to find when they went to notify her of the accident. Where was Rebecca? Sitting with Max on the floor doing whatever she could to help him and to get him the proper medical help he needed, thus the call to 911.

It is sickening to see the way Rebecca is being trashed completely in some posts for something that was an ACCIDENT. Children play, children at times play rough, children at times will ignore what an adult tells them and actually run in the house. It happens. Accidents happen. <modsnip>

MOO

 

[arielilane]

The sister stated on HLN the family feels the entire Shaknai family should be investigated, with no exceptions. Mods, please remove if this is not allowed.

I heard this, too! Bravo to RZ's family.

 

[sorrell skye]

No, at the press conference today the SD Sheriff's investigators basically said that she just came up with those peculiarly complicated knots, right then and there as she was deciding to commit suicide. :innocent: Not very believable in my opinion.

And, why didn't we see the knots on her feet? Or a simulation of how she then walked with her feet bound.

bbm

Yes - I would have liked to have seen a simulation of Rebecca hopping to the balcony &hurling herself over it with her feet bound. Not to be morbid, but since LE is insisting that this is what occurred...

 

[MyBelle]

Where do you get Maxie died from lack of supervision? Where was that stated by LE today at the PC? There was no mention of neglect.

RN is a victim also. Why are you blaming her for Maxie's tragic accident?

RN's death was a suicide, according to LE. I don't consider her a victim of anyone but herself.

Maxie's fall from such a height could have been prevented if the child had been supervised. LE has said there were no witnesses to Maxie's fall, therefore I concluded he wasn't being supervised. LE had no need to mention neglect for me to draw my own conclusion.