CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[katydid23]

Deep cuts? Do you have a link for that? Deep cuts usually need to be stitched. Do we know if she was treated for deep cuts? I know it was reported that she asked her family about how to care for the cuts, but never saw them described as 'deep'.

I have cut myself cleaning up broken glass.

I read someplace upthread that she did have stitches.

 

[SunnieRN]

Bremner's exact words were that she did not feel ANY guilt. That does not seem odd to you. It seems normal that RN would have no guilt pangs over that tragic death? That makes me pretty angry to be honest.

And 'fairly' articulate is not good enough for a high profile attorney in a potential homicide case that is hitting the airwaves like a tornado.

I think people are getting confused over guilt and sadness, grief and other such words. Guilt insinuates responsibility for a situation. Posters here have accused Rebecca of being guilty for being in the bathroom, instead of on the stairs. What if JS other children WERE on the stairs? Would that make them guilty automatically? Of course not. Would it behoove the understanding of what occurred to know if they were there? Of course it would.

Saying someone is there, when that someone was already said not to be there, and adding to it the claim that the accident was from a planking incident, adding it all together equals the implication that the older siblings were involved. And I did not say anything about a crime, just an implication they were there and planking was the trigger of the accident.

Otherwise why even raise the issue of them being present or not? The case has been ruled an accident, no blame on anyone. And suddenly Bremner is coming on national television to place the siblings in the home at the time and to change the scenario of the accident. For what purpose if not to imply they were involved?

Who has come out and said implicitly that they were NOT there? Obviously the A family thinks they may have been.

Then what is the point of making that claim on national tv? Who cares if they are there or not then? Why come on tv and make that statement if there is no reason behind it to do so?

Maybe to set the record straight, so that the whole truth and nothing but the truth can be known.

It also isn't a proved fact that the children were there. They do enjoy a right to privacy and they are children so why is Ms. Bremner commenting about them and disputing a police investigation of which she had no part? Seems a tad unethical imo.

It is also not a proven fact that they were not. This is an investigation, the truth needs to be put into the open.

 

[colette]

LE said she has treated in a local clinic for the cuts. Probaby an urgent care clinic for sutures.

 

[elementry]

But the scenario that Bremner is throwing out there does not fit with the evidence at the scene of the accident. Planking involves laying stiff, and if max had done that he would never had reached the chandelier. He had to be moving fast to go over the barrier and hit the chandelier. So that makes no sense, witness or no witness.

maybe he didn't quite know how to do it; had a little too much motion as he excitedly climbed up and onto the banister rail; in fighting to regain balance possibly pushed off the rail. maybe he planked and saw the chandelier and imagined he was George the Curious Monkey and leapt for it (little kids can be foolishly fearless and have active imaginations to spur them on). I don't know, does anybody? Maybe RZ's sister did witness something but was protected herself by RZ stating they were both in bathrooms. Hard to say. If Bremner has some fact or facts to share, that'll come out. That planking might have had some role, again who knows. Just because LE dismissed it doesn't make it dispositively so. In the same way their forensics say no, some other forensic expert could say it's possible.

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

I don´t know if what you wrote is the truth or not, but it move me deeply and made me cry...

Rest In Peace Rebecca Zahau...sending you a bucket of wild flowers from my swedish childhood's meadow...

As I said I think it is a real tragedy. At the same time if I am right and she acted out of love - it shows how powerful the human spirit is. There is no fear in this world that can stop us from expressing and acting out love. I wrote this post yesterday from LA and as I was writing it the sunset was dazzling the sky with beautiful colors - it made me feel that Becky and Maxie's spirits were smiling.

 

[elementry]

I agree she may have told a different story to the family or her sister told the story. But that also means RN lied to the cops when she said there were no witnesses and the rest of her story becomes questionable as well. The evidence does not support planking. The sister ended up with deep cuts and I've always found it difficult to believe she received deep cuts from cleaning up. I doubt the Zahau family wants a wrongful death lawsuit filed against the girl, her parents or RN's estate but that could be all they accomplish.

JMO

"Wrongful death"? Hey, sounds like a motive for a revenge murder, if you want to go there.

 

[jjenny]

As I said I think it is a real tragedy. At the same time if I am right and she acted out of love - it shows how powerful the human spirit is. There is no fear in this world that can stop us from expressing and acting out love. I wrote this post yesterday from LA and as I was writing it the sunset was dazzling the sky with beautiful colors - it made me feel that Becky and Maxie's spirits were smiling.

I really don't think her family believes she "did it out of love" to put it mildly.
Kind of hard to buy the idea that the woman "did it out of love" when her body was found in the nude, bound and gagged, hanging from a balcony.

 

[katydid23]

I think people are getting confused over guilt and sadness, grief and other such words. Guilt insinuates responsibility for a situation. Posters here have accused Rebecca of being guilty for being in the bathroom, instead of on the stairs. What if JS other children WERE on the stairs? Would that make them guilty automatically? Of course not. Would it behoove the understanding of what occurred to know if they were there? Of course it would.

I understand the difference between guilt and sadness. If I were in the shower while I was in charge of a 6 yr old, and he died by sailing off the second story stairwell, I would feel guilty.

Who has come out and said implicitly that they were NOT there? Obviously the A family thinks they may have been.

Rebeccah apparently said they were NOT there. She told LE they were not there. Now the family attorney is saying she was not telling the truth at that time.

Maybe to set the record straight, so that the whole truth and nothing but the truth can be known.

I suppose this will open the floodgates for all of RN's hidden secrets now as well. Buckle your seatbelts.

It is also not a proven fact that they were not. This is an investigation, the truth needs to be put into the open.

Maybe not a proven fact, but maybe so. RN apparently left them out of the police report. But I have seen it said that the son was in summer camp, so he would have been gone already. I did see early reports that GS was there, and left before the EMT arrived. But it is not clear if she was there during the accident. And if she wasn't, I hope people will keep that in mind when listening to anything else this attorney has to say.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

"She didn't have any guilt about Max and in fact she said that to her family."

Said by Bremner on JVM

Really? She did not feel ANY guilt that this child flew off the second floor balcony while she was the adult in charge of him? Maybe it was not her 'fault', but no pangs of guilt?

I dont believe that for one second.

IMO

 

[time]

I always took the phrase "inserting themselves into an investigation" to imply amongst other things uninvited, involvement beyond some capacity, unwanted involvement, or even nearly criminal involvement that hampers a case. It typically implies something nefarious, I think. I do not see how an attorney hired by the Zahau family can be characterized this way.

 

[elementry]

Saying someone is there, when that someone was already said not to be there, and adding to it the claim that the accident was from a planking incident, adding it all together equals the implication that the older siblings were involved. And I did not say anything about a crime, just an implication they were there and planking was the trigger of the accident.

Otherwise why even raise the issue of them being present or not? The case has been ruled an accident, no blame on anyone. And suddenly Bremner is coming on national television to place the siblings in the home at the time and to change the scenario of the accident. For what purpose if not to imply they were involved?

Simply, to show that LE's doggedly self-sure scenarios are not in fact writ in stone. Bremner must have the truth of the matter on her side for her point to hold though. Then again, it could be a wily move to instigate some discovery procedures. One thing for sure: she's not concerned about making some enemies along the way.

Oh, it also might have been a sizeable blunder on her part....

 

[jjenny]

I always took the phrase "inserting themselves into an investigation" to imply amongst other things uninvited, involvement beyond some capacity, unwanted involvement, or even nearly criminal involvement that hampers a case. It typically implies something nefarious, I think. I do not see how an attorney hired by the Zahau family can be characterized this way.

Myself, I am not too crazy about this particular lawyer (long before this case) but she obviously has access to information we don't have. So I am all ears about what she has to say.

 

[SunnieRN]

I understand the difference between guilt and sadness. If I were in the shower while I was in charge of a 6 yr old, and he died by sailing off the second story stairwell, I would feel guilty.



Rebeccah apparently said they were NOT there. She told LE they were not there. Now the family attorney is saying she was not telling the truth at that time.



I suppose this will open the floodgates for all of RN's hidden secrets now as well. Buckle your seatbelts.





Maybe not a proven fact, but maybe so. RN apparently left them out of the police report. But I have seen it said that the son was in summer camp, so he would have been gone already. I did see early reports that GS was there, and left before the EMT arrived. But it is not clear if she was there during the accident. And if she wasn't, I hope people will keep that in mind when listening to anything else this attorney has to say.

So, you agree it is not a proven fact, that it was not clear if she was there. Any thought that possibly JS asked her not to tell that his daughter was present? We don't know what occurred, pure and simple and the Zahous have a right to know the truth as it may relate to Rebecca's death.

 

[katydid23]

maybe he didn't quite know how to do it; had a little too much motion as he excitedly climbed up and onto the banister rail; in fighting to regain balance possibly pushed off the rail. maybe he planked and saw the chandelier and imagined he was George the Curious Monkey and leapt for it (little kids can be foolishly fearless and have active imaginations to spur them on). I don't know, does anybody? Maybe RZ's sister did witness something but was protected herself by RZ stating they were both in bathrooms. Hard to say. If Bremner has some fact or facts to share, that'll come out. That planking might have had some role, again who knows. Just because LE dismissed it doesn't make it dispositively so. In the same way their forensics say no, some other forensic expert could say it's possible.

OK,let's say you're scenario is true. RN's lil sister did see the accident and Max was planking and died tragically. How does that make the suicide any less plausible? I see even more reason for her to feel guilty. Especially if she lied to put her lil sis in the bathroom instead of witnessing the event.

No matter how I look at it, RN has plenty of reason to feel guilt. And her attorney running around saying that she felt none, and told her family as much, is not helpful in the long run. imoo

 

[Morag]

Clarifying who was there at the time of MS' accident, the preceding tragedy leading to RZ's death, IMO it is a logical place to begin to determine what motive might exist for the murder of Rebecca.

Indeed. If Rebecca's sister was the only other child there that morning, there is inevitably a question about what kind of hijinks and rambunctiousness that she and Max might have gotten up to. If the other teenager-or teenagers-had already left, how could it have hurt to say, "GS was taken to the airport that morning for a 9 o'clock flight"? No one really believes that this was anything other than a tragic accident, but it is unfair for the shadow of doubt to fall exclusively on XZ, if she was not the only teenager there. She knows what happened, and she knows who was there that morning.

As for the possibility of a planker or an owler-who was less than 4 feet tall-being able to fall forward enough to hit the chandelier- I think it's possible.

The foyer seems to be about 12 feet deep. The chandelier is centered, but it is not centered in the 10x12 feet foyer. It is centered in the open part of the foyer-12 feet minus 3'more or less for the midway landing. The chandelier is then centered in the opening of about 9x10. A 3 foot wide chandelier would then be only about about 3 feet out from the landing, although it would be ? feet down from it. Could a four foot tall child then hit the chandelier if falling from the upper landing? Easily, if owling. Quite possibly, if planking. And if a dog was perhaps involved...

I just don't think a 6 year old could be running fast enough to be propelled over the stair rail.

 

[SunnieRN]

I understand the difference between guilt and sadness. If I were in the shower while I was in charge of a 6 yr old, and he died by sailing off the second story stairwell, I would feel guilty.



Rebeccah apparently said they were NOT there. She told LE they were not there. Now the family attorney is saying she was not telling the truth at that time.



I suppose this will open the floodgates for all of RN's hidden secrets now as well. Buckle your seatbelts.





Maybe not a proven fact, but maybe so. RN apparently left them out of the police report. But I have seen it said that the son was in summer camp, so he would have been gone already. I did see early reports that GS was there, and left before the EMT arrived. But it is not clear if she was there during the accident. And if she wasn't, I hope people will keep that in mind when listening to anything else this attorney has to say.

She wasn't in the shower, she was going pee or poop. If MS was 6 and had to be watched SO closely, that Rebecca shouldn't have gone to the bathroom, he should have had 2 nannys to watch him when he was there, in case one nanny had to go potty. Sheesh. She did not kill MS. She is not guilty.

 

[katydid23]

So, you agree it is not a proven fact, that it was not clear if she was there. Any thought that possibly JS asked her not to tell that his daughter was present? We don't know what occurred, pure and simple and the Zahous have a right to know the truth as it may relate to Rebecca's death.

Sure, maybe it matters maybe it doesn't. But let's just go on national television and accuse the minors,the ones whose little brother just died, lets accuse them of being there and possibly being the ones responsible by teaching him to plank. Right?

They couldn't try and find if this is true or not privately? They had to do so by making this accusation on several national news shows?

 

[jjenny]

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They couldn't try and find if this is true or not privately? They had to do so by making this accusation on several national news shows?

Zahaus have not gone and made these accusations on shows. Zahaus also would know who was there. Remember their 13 year old sister was there, she is old enough to know who was there or who wasn't. Now I don't know how accurate that lawyer's statement is, and where she got the information.

 

[SunnieRN]

Sure, maybe it matters maybe it doesn't. But let's just go on national television and accuse the minors,the ones whose little brother just died, lets accuse them of being there and possibly being the ones responsible by teaching him to plank. Right?

They couldn't try and find if this is true or not privately? They had to do so by making this accusation on several national news shows?

You and I are not privy to the information that LE, the Zahou's and S's have. We only know what has been published. She made a statement. She did not say, "The other S children were there and caused MS accident". Then I could see you being that upset.

I don't like most lawyers and particularly dislike this one, but I still feel the Zahou family has the RIGHT to know the truth.

 

[Morag]

Sure, maybe it matters maybe it doesn't. But let's just go on national television and accuse the minors,the ones whose little brother just died, lets accuse them of being there and possibly being the ones responsible by teaching him to plank. Right?

They couldn't try and find if this is true or not privately? They had to do so by making this accusation on several national news shows?

The Sheriff's department couldn't bother to mention that they knew for a fact that no other kid(s) was there. Why should Rebecca's family be forced to dig for information that the Sheriff would have? And if XZ did tell her family and/or attorney that there were others there, then surely the Sheriff would be happy to refute it with a flight number or schedule.

Look, I don't think anyone deliberately hurt that little boy. But if there were others there, that should be part of the report.

It's understandable that RN would try to minimize the involvement of other children- I would, too, whether my sweetheart asked me to or not. It isn't a crime to want to know what really happened- the suicide theory rests on RN's feelings of guilt, and it hasn't been made plain if she really felt that way.