CA-Sandra Cantu, 8 missing 3/27/09 from Tracy,#1

[Mendara]

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=10072355

Parents in the Poway Unified School District are on the lookout for a suspicious white van. The van was seen recently stalking a first grader and a seventh grader.
Sabre Springs resident Brett Hanavan keeps track of crime in his area through a neighborhood watch email string. Recently he started to see a pattern.
"Seems like there's been some similar situations with a white van - the same details, the same suspicious nature," Hanavan said.
Two recent incidents involving a white Ford van with three Hispanic men inside happened in Torrey Highlands. On March 12, the mother of a seven-year-old girl dropped off by a school bus near Torrey Meadows Drive and Torrey Santa Fe Road reported the white van following her daughter.

Interesting but she was seen in the park - was the van also seen in the park? Would the video show every car leaving and coming that day?

 

[Mendara]

That's where bad touch comes in. No adult should be touching a child in a place that is covered by a bathing suit.

I understand your effort here. But molestation is not limited to being touched in areas a bathing suit covers. I will not get into but in all honesty we disagree on this point. A child doesn't always know he or she is uncomfortable until the 2nd or 3rd time as the abuse goes further and further each time. Also the mental game being played with the child can cloud the childs judgement into thinking it is ok to sit on his lap and be rocked back and forth - see what I mean there is no touching and yet horrible.

Lets agree to disagree.

 

[secretsquirrel]

I understand your effort here. But molestation is not limited to being touched in areas a bathing suit covers. I will not get into but in all honesty we disagree on this point. A child doesn't always know he or she is uncomfortable until the 2nd or 3rd time as the abuse goes further and further each time. Also the mental game being played with the child can cloud the childs judgement into thinking it is ok to sit on his lap and be rocked back and forth - see what I mean there is no touching and yet horrible.

Lets agree to disagree.

Believe me I understand that it's cloudy as if the child doesn't understand it's bad or wrong and it feels good, they don't get it until it does start to feel uncomfortable or wrong and that can be down the road as they gain more insight. The bottom line is to empower our kids.

 

[LinasK]

Believe me I understand that it's cloudy as if the child doesn't understand it's bad or wrong and it feels good, they don't get it until it does start to feel uncomfortable or wrong and that can be down the road as they gain more insight. The bottom line is to empower our kids.

Well put!:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[nursebeeme]

the next presser should be coming up in 10 minutes.... I am looking for online links but not finding any yet...

 

[capoly]

And note that stranger danger does not work when you simultaneously teach kids both not to talk to strangers and also to be polite, forcing them to hug "uncle johnny" even though they may have very valid reasons for recoiling from him.

Just want to add that valid reasons to a child for recoiling or refusing to hug can also be as simple as the child being shy and not familiar with the relative.

Due to distance we rarely saw one of our grandchildren for the first two years of her life. It irked me to no end when they did visit and my son would try to force her to hug us. I'd tell him the same as you wrote....as the fact is until a relationship & trust is established even a grandma is a stranger to a child.

 

[nursebeeme]

http://www.fox40.com/pages/main

for all the waaa waaaa from msm outlets about their notification only fox40 has a link up for the presser. here it is

 

[Salem]

Here's another one http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

Salem

 

[Salem]

I've got nothing at either link so far. Nurse - does Fox40 come up on windows media for you? I couldn't get anything?

Salem

 

[Salem]

Hello Kitty T-shirt in trash - mom says not Sandra's but they are going to test it anyway.

I can't hear the questions, just the answers. Won't say who took poly's.

WELL CARP! I lost the connection! UGHHHHHH

 

[txsvicki]

Kids can be warned and warned about strangers and many of them will forget or still get tricked by some pervert. It's up to the adults to protect kids from family, neighbors, strangers, whoever. If that means looking at some old guy who kisses a little girl on the lips, and it upsets his life, too bad. He should have had more sense in the first place. A missing little girl is way more important than he is right now.

 

[elepher50]

Lost connection too - it went to a webcam and I can't get anything on fox40.

 

[Salem]

Lost connection too - it went to a webcam and I can't get anything on fox40.

Same as me And it is not on HLN or Prime News.

Updates anyone?

Salem

 

[elepher50]

No I cannot get any of the presser - thought it was because I am sitting in the North Atlantic ... lol .. hopefully Nurse has picked it up.

 

[MCDRAW]

Just want to add that valid reasons to a child for recoiling or refusing to hug can also be as simple as the child being shy and not familiar with the relative.

Due to distance we rarely saw one of our grandchildren for the first two years of her life. It irked me to no end when they did visit and my son would try to force her to hug us. I'd tell him the same as you wrote....as the fact is until a relationship & trust is established even a grandma is a stranger to a child.

The truth is that the word stranger is hard for children to understand. I told my children and told my children not to talk to strangers. (They were too shy to speak to anyone so I really didn't have to worry about them talking). One day we were at the mall and I decided to see if they knew what stranger meant. I would point at someone and ask is that a stranger? Over and over I did this. And over and over they would say that someone that wasn't so nice looking was a stranger. But if they looked nice, they would say they were not strangers. I would say do you know that person and they would say no, then I would say they are a stranger. They finally got it.

 

[Patience]

Ummm, that's near San Diego, wrong end of the state from Sandra's case...

Ummm, I am only trying to help and I am not from your state or Country for that matter. Please do not discourage me or others from posting because I want to find Sandra just as much as you do if not more.

 

[Soulscape]

Can anyone provide info on incident 2 years ago when FTW kissed Sandra on the lips in the swimming pool? Police report filed? Is it accessible?

TIA,
Soulscape

 

[Salem]

Can anyone provide info on incident 2 years ago when FTW kissed Sandra on the lips in the swimming pool? Police report filed? Is it accessible?

TIA,
Soulscape

Yes, Soulscape a report was filed. I don't know if we can get our hands on it though. I'm not sure that LE can even find it at this point. LE keeps saying as soon as they find Sandra, they will review the original report and determine if it was handled correctly. So not much help there.

I also posted a link to the San Joaquin Court records (on page 16 or 17) in the hopes of going there today and researching any records they might have. BUT I apparently am having some kind of problem, because I can't get past the first page. I was thinking maybe they were just getting a lot of hits and I'd give it sometime to see if I have better luck.

Okay - that was the long answer to your questions

Thank you very much for helping in Sandra's case.

Salem

 

[Salem]

Ummm, I am only trying to help and I am not from your state or Country for that matter. Please do not discourage me or others from posting because I want to find Sandra just as much as you do if not more.

Patience - I don't think LinasK meant to be snarky. California is a very large state and the San Diego area is about 9 hours driving time from Tracy. However, I would like to share that the information you found about the van was important to the Amber Dubois case. Sorry I don't have the link for you, but I believe it is in this thread.

I/we appreciate your help and are very glad you are here in the Sandra thread. Please don't get discouraged and keep sleuthing

Salem

 

[WillenFan21]

They are talking about the T-Shirt on Jane Valez Mitchell right now.