I am right there with you. I won't be ok however until questions have been answered and Sandy's body is sent back to where she belongs.
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Found Deceased CA - Sandy Giles, 44, Earp, 13 May 2017
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Frankly Razz, I don't think LE cares to get answers. IMHO they never really mounted a serious search for her, never took the sand scraping into account in a search for her, there don't seem to be any witnesses that can say what happened to her.
The autopsy will give MOD and COD but unless there is blunt force trauma, it will be ruled natural causes, heat exhaustion and/or dehydration.
We will never know if the car had gas in it, because the car is gone and without a key the gauge wasn't checked. Yet a key was made to sell it.
I think they can figure out the gas. She was flat out empty on the freeway.
How much did she put in her car via
the can? I'm wagering it wasn't enough.
There is no evidence she stopped along the way to Parker for gas.
Did the family find how much money she had left when they got her personal belongings?
I agree, the search was a joke. The family also searched when they got out there and that may have been when they found the second sandal.
I take my hat off to the 8 who showed up to search for her. Dogs would have been helpful. But sometimes the most obvious places are ignored because...
they are too obvious. And by that time, she'd been covered in sand therefore blunting the smell of decomposition?
We don't know the entirety of the investigation. I do believe there will be some answers forthcoming. So, I'll reserve judgement for a bit.
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I sincerely hope you are right. The family deserves some answers.
I guess where I am is, this could happen to anyone. Millions of people take to the road alone all the time. For most it is safe.
I freak out when I see my gauge at 1/4 full. I plan my gas stops before I ever take my trips. I also have several pay sources in case I lose one. I stop in populated areas, not rest areas.
And even when someone doesn't plan well and runs into trouble, they should be able to count on the kindness of LE or a fellow traveler. I've given money to someone I've met along the way that needed gas money. I would hope someone would do the same for me if I ever needed it.
It's just sad that people take their lives in their hands by doing something so innocent and basic as traveling from point A to point B, like Sandy was doing.
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This is an article in a local newspaper near where Sandy lived in Alabama. From the moment I heard about this case, I suspected something fishy with her entourage. Ex sister-in-law, and her son and grandchild. If you look at Sandy's personal FB page, you will see pics and comments of the trip going, where SIL was tagged in one. If you click on the sister-in-law's FB page, and go back to the timeline of the trip, there were some very odd comments made on her page. . Just something real fishy here to me
http://m.wsfa.com/wsfa/db_362159/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=6dIieMU0
http://m.wsfa.com/wsfa/db_362159/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=6dIieMU0
On the find sandy page (now changed to a memorial page I believe) one of the children had posted that her body was not released because her death was suspicious.
I dont have the post right in front of me, but I read it sometime over the thanksgiving holiday/weekend.
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I dont have the post right in front of me, but I read it sometime over the thanksgiving holiday/weekend.
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It reads:
"Everyone is asking if we plan to do a service/memorial for Momma and all I can do is give an honest response. I spoke with the Coroner's office this morning and they have moved her remains to San Bernardino Coroner's office to be looked at by an Anthropologist and are investigating the case as a homicide. They cannot determine a date when her remains will be released at this time. As soon as we know and are able to, we plan to hold a service/memorial and will let everyone know the dates and times."
Investigating it as a homicide? That sounds like their was obvious sign of trauma to me, but maybe not?
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there's information in the alabama article that doesn't reconcile with what the employee of the tow yard told me #200.
The tow employee told me they put a lean on it and after 30 days sold it.
That's standard procedure for a tow company.
I see the reporter writes it's back in alabama.
If I had to guess I'd say the employee was in CYA mode due to the situation,
'didn't make a key, didn't open it, didn't check gas, sold it'.
The son did say in a prior facebook the tow people along with the police opened it at the tow yard,
which is another discrepancy by the employee.
It's disheartening when people don't simply tell the truth.
The tow employee told me they put a lean on it and after 30 days sold it.
That's standard procedure for a tow company.
I see the reporter writes it's back in alabama.
If I had to guess I'd say the employee was in CYA mode due to the situation,
'didn't make a key, didn't open it, didn't check gas, sold it'.
The son did say in a prior facebook the tow people along with the police opened it at the tow yard,
which is another discrepancy by the employee.
It's disheartening when people don't simply tell the truth.
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I tried to delete the above post.
venting does no one anygood
Please delete.
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venting does no one anygood
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Homicide? Really? Wow. Then this case is far from over. I wonder what they found that is pointing detectives towards homicide? Was she forced off the road and that's why she got stuck? Was she run down by a vehicle in pursuit of her on foot?
Where is the gas can? This report puts a lot whole new complecion on things.
Now I really can't wait for the autopsy report. Wow.
Where is the gas can? This report puts a lot whole new complecion on things.
Now I really can't wait for the autopsy report. Wow.
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So the family DID get the car back. That's new information to me.
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They've certainly found something that warrants further investigation.
In terms of vehicle impact damage to a body, the location of the damage tends to be a prime indicator. Here in Europe, family cars leave the damage on the lower legs if the car has been breaking hard at the time of impact, or on the upper legs and pelvis if not. Larger vehicles such as 4x4s generally produce impact damage on the upper legs, pelvis and lower torso.
Ordinarily you'd look for skid marks (obviously) but if there was sand on the road there wouldn't have been any.
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With this formation, I guess I take back my opinion that LE doesn't care what happened to this lady.
Problem with our information is that people lie. Our WSer got lied to when she called the tow yard and asked the status of the car. Now we know the car is back in Alabama. Which means it's still available to LE for further inquiries.
Even though we can surmise that she ran totally out of gas again, we have not gotten that information verified.
She may have gotten run off the road. Or she could have run out of gas and someone stopped and took the opportunity to harm her. Guess we wait. At least we have something to wait for.
Problem with our information is that people lie. Our WSer got lied to when she called the tow yard and asked the status of the car. Now we know the car is back in Alabama. Which means it's still available to LE for further inquiries.
Even though we can surmise that she ran totally out of gas again, we have not gotten that information verified.
She may have gotten run off the road. Or she could have run out of gas and someone stopped and took the opportunity to harm her. Guess we wait. At least we have something to wait for.
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Actually something else which is new to me is the information that Sandy was accompanied on the outward leg of the trip by other members of her SIL's family, not just the SIL herself.
Unfortunately if there were no witnesses other than members of the SIL's family as to what the disagreement was that made Sandy leave in the middle of the night, we might never get a clear account of what went on there. I wonder if she was threatened.
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or the reporter got the story wrong.. which I have seen many times.
One thing in the article I hadn't read before--> "according to Deputy Jason Rivas, it looked she had been there a couple of days."
The deputy is saying she was alive staying at the car for two days.
That opens up the possibility she was stalked by a passerby..at least to me it does.
I also would like to know why she left her traveling companions.
Her packing and leaving in the middle of the night with no one the wiser does not ring true.
The below sentence is in the 3rd paragraph from the bottom of the following link.
“We talked to her [former sister-in-law] and they have been questioned by police and said they didn’t know of anything happening to make her leave but they were asleep when she left,”
http://www.parkerliveonline.com/2017/05/26/sandy-giles/
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I think this was reported much earlier but the whole thing was so confused that it might not have been picked up on.
If she was there for several days, it's all the more puzzling that she didn't phone her family to wire her some money and then make it to the Walmart in Parker to pick it up. I'm not clear exactly where her car was left but it was close to both the Earp post office and the Oasis mini mart. Even if her mobile phone battery was dead and she was unable to charge it in her car, she could have gone to either the PO or the mini mart and asked to make an urgent phone call, even if she had to pay $1 to do so.
The 13th of May was a Saturday. Even if the PO might have been closed until the Monday, maybe the mini mart wasn't. Either way, if she was near her car for several days she should still have been there on the Monday.
ETA that Earp PO was closed on Saturday and Sunday but opened at 8am on Monday.
http://www.postallocations.com/ca/earp/earp
If Sandy arrived in Earp early on Saturday evening and was alive near her car for 2 or more days, she had to have been alive when the PO reopened.
If you read the FindSandy page (if it is still there) she told the trooper who helped her on the Freeway that she and her friends had gotten on each other's nerves and she wanted to be home for Mother's Day.
I too was unaware that she had 3 people riding out to California with her.
I can certainly understand her being frustrated, though. The 3 were family plus the man they visited. She would have been odd man out. Way too much togetherness. It's my feeling there was nothing nefarious about her leaving like she did. JMO. She may not have taken into account the cost of her trip home going solo.
As far as what happened outside of Parker? That's where I need more clarity. Was she at the car for a few days? If so, why?! Why didn't she solicit help as she did in Needles? Also, her phone. I wonder if she didn't have a car phone charger and that's why she didn't use the phone because there was no juice left.
Too many questions but it does appear LE is working on the case.
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