CA - Sergio Aguiar, 2, beaten to death, Turlock, 14 June 2008

[Spazkat9696]

I think that at least the first people to arrive were older. I think if they got anymore involved there may be some serious injuries here. I have seen a psychotic break before and trust me if the witness were older they would have been seriously hurt. Plus the police thought the only way to stop him was to shoot him. Lethal force is a last option for them so this guy must have been truly raging. I don't think any of us should speak badly of the people who did not intervene because we were not there. No matter how we feel we would have reacted. Sure I feel as if I would have stepped in, but truth be told there was probably more going on that night than has been said in the media.

 

[SewingDeb]

I read in one of the articles that the elderly couple is in their 50's. I don't know about you all but I don't consider the 50's to be elderly.

I've seen a documentary on TV that shows that most go into shock in a tragic situation and just stand around or wander aimlessly. Then there are those who keep their wits about them and do something about the situation. Most are in the shock category.

 

[Floh]

I read in one of the articles that the elderly couple is in their 50's. I don't know about you all but I don't consider the 50's to be elderly.

It isn't, IMO.

I've seen a documentary on TV that shows that most go into shock in a tragic situation and just stand around or wander aimlessly. Then there are those who keep their wits about them and do something about the situation. Most are in the shock category.

I'v done both in desperate situations. i went into shock after a road accident i was involved with.

but i amazingly pulled things together on another occasion when action had to be taken.

i was never faced with a psychotic young man though. but when it's a child being hurt, all bets are off. :furious:

 

[IdahoMom]

I read in one of the articles that the elderly couple is in their 50's. I don't know about you all but I don't consider the 50's to be elderly.

I've seen a documentary on TV that shows that most go into shock in a tragic situation and just stand around or wander aimlessly. Then there are those who keep their wits about them and do something about the situation. Most are in the shock category.

I never heard that-just that they were "elderly", for instance:

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9603906

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An elderly couple was first on the scene, calling 911 about 10:15 p.m. to describe the terror unfolding before their eyes.

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I thought the volunteer firefighter chief was in his 50s:

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-toddler17-2008jun17,0,3126378.story

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Several tried in vain to stop the assault, said Deputy Royjindar Singh, a sheriff's spokesman.

"They were trying to pull him off the little boy, but he would push them away and go back to what he was doing."

One motorist, Dan Robinson, 52, a volunteer fire chief in nearby Crows Landing, was among those who tried to intercede.

 

[imthemom]

I have been reading the stories and the comments but was not able to comment myself thus far. This is one of the most horrifying things I have ever heard. This man had to be pure evil to do such a thing to his own baby. May this precious baby rest in peace. May this horrible man burn in hell forever.

 

[MeoW333]

. The guy tried to get back up, but the officer placed his foot on the man's chest and yelled at him to "Stay Down!". I jumped up and down and yelled at the man also..."Yea! Stay down!".

Haha! I love that!! "Yea! Stay down!" you tell him,Reannan!


With 3 bystanders in their 20's, 2 of them males, you'd think they would have been able to figure out a way to distract/take down the killer and or grab the baby. I know i would have taken a crobar, tree branch, bare fists to the guy in an attempt to try. The elderly couple i wouldn't expect for them to try, it's too dangerous. Yet for 2 men in their 20's it's surprising they didn't try harder. Not to say it would have saved the baby, it is just surprising they didn't have the cojones to try harder.

 

[SuziQ]

I know for me I would not have been able to stand there and watch someone brutalize a child whether it appeared dead or not. I'll never understand the reactions of the people present. It would be a good case study on why people react the way they do under stress. The fact that they stood there and did nothing will be their own worst enemy for the rest of their lives. Instead of reliving the horror being stopped right away, they get to live with 6-10 minutes of standing there watching and hearing what this guy did. I suspect they will need years of counseling over what they saw, that they could have prevented from seeing in the first place.

 

[bakerprune64]

Haha! I love that!! "Yea! Stay down!" you tell him,Reannan!


With 3 bystanders in their 20's, 2 of them males, you'd think they would have been able to figure out a way to distract/take down the killer and or grab the baby. I know i would have taken a crobar, tree branch, bare fists to the guy in an attempt to try. The elderly couple i wouldn't expect for them to try, it's too dangerous. Yet for 2 men in their 20's it's surprising they didn't try harder. Not to say it would have saved the baby, it is just surprising they didn't have the cojones to try harder.

I am not putting these people down, but for me there would be no stopping to try and get the baby out of his grip. It's that mother cat instinct I guess. I just think they should have done whatever was necessary including brute force to get this guy away from the kid.

I swear when little kids get lost in stores, they seem to end up next to me. And boy let me tell you it's not a pretty sight when I find their parents.

There was another story paralelling (sp) this incident in our local paper today...makes an informative read.

http://www.mercedsunstar.com/167/story/309409.html

 

[philamena]

I read in one of the articles that the elderly couple is in their 50's. I don't know about you all but I don't consider the 50's to be elderly.

I've seen a documentary on TV that shows that most go into shock in a tragic situation and just stand around or wander aimlessly. Then there are those who keep their wits about them and do something about the situation. Most are in the shock category.

Sewing Deb,
I totally agree. Imo, 50 years old isn't elderly. (Heck at 50 you can't get AARP, SS or a senior discount.) I have friends who are 50ish and they run marathons.

I also agree that the people were in shock but I must say, if I saw this happening I think I'd jump into it head first. I would want him to stop beating the baby at all cost.

 

[luthersmama]

I would like to think that I would jump in, but I'm not going to put down the folks who were actually there. It sounds like this guy was totally berserk. A whole pile of people jumping on him would have resulted in MORE people getting hurt and the police officer wouldn't have gotten a clear shot.

I don't think it is fair to criticize when we weren't there, in the dark, with this crazy man. :twocents:

 

[MagicRose99]

I read in one of the articles that the elderly couple is in their 50's. I don't know about you all but I don't consider the 50's to be elderly.

I've seen a documentary on TV that shows that most go into shock in a tragic situation and just stand around or wander aimlessly. Then there are those who keep their wits about them and do something about the situation. Most are in the shock category.

50 elderly?!?! OMG! I'm 2 years shy of 50 and I don't think of myself as "elderly"... my father, who is 75 I might consider as elderly... if he weren't in such good health!

*muttering* 50... elderly... geesh!

 

[DBinMA]

I won't pretend that I have any clue how I would react in such a situation, I would like to **think** I would act IF I had a weapon (tire iron, baseball bat). I have 3 kids that still need me and I don't think I could risk my life because of them. My husband say he would act, period. I'm wondering why no one thought to run him down with their car???

 

[Spazkat9696]

50 elderly?!?! OMG! I'm 2 years shy of 50 and I don't think of myself as "elderly"... my father, who is 75 I might consider as elderly... if he weren't in such good health!

*muttering* 50... elderly... geesh!

Not to argue but my mom if 50. She has already had a stroke, and is in no way shape or form capable of taking on this type of situation. I would love to say I would have stepped in, but I wasn't there. I will not make judgments about those who were there because I wasn't. I will say I hope the mom, siblings and family of this beautiful child are OK. If the myspace page posted before it was set to private was his the family and children are beautiful.

 

[SewingDeb]

Sewing Deb,
I totally agree. Imo, 50 years old isn't elderly. (Heck at 50 you can't get AARP, SS or a senior discount.) I have friends who are 50ish and they run marathons.

I also agree that the people were in shock but I must say, if I saw this happening I think I'd jump into it head first. I would want him to stop beating the baby at all cost.

I would be in the middle of it, too, and urging others to join in! I couldn't stand and watch.

 

[SewingDeb]

MagicRose, I'm 54 and don't feel elderly. It makes me wonder if the younger crowd looks at me and thinks old woman...lol.

 

[SewingDeb]

I won't pretend that I have any clue how I would react in such a situation, I would like to **think** I would act IF I had a weapon (tire iron, baseball bat). I have 3 kids that still need me and I don't think I could risk my life because of them. My husband say he would act, period. I'm wondering why no one thought to run him down with their car???

Maybe they were afraid of running over the little boy?

 

[MagicRose99]

Not to argue but my mom if 50. She has already had a stroke, and is in no way shape or form capable of taking on this type of situation. I would love to say I would have stepped in, but I wasn't there. I will not make judgments about those who were there because I wasn't. I will say I hope the mom, siblings and family of this beautiful child are OK. If the myspace page posted before it was set to private was his the family and children are beautiful.

I think I'm confused... I'm 2 years shy of 50... so you DO think I'm considered elderly?

 

[Spazkat9696]

I think I'm confused... I'm 2 years shy of 50... so you DO think I'm considered elderly?

No way and I don't think she is ether, but I don't think she is physically capable of taking on someone in this mans state.

 

[evelyn24]

I read in one of the articles that the elderly couple is in their 50's. I don't know about you all but I don't consider the 50's to be elderly.

I've seen a documentary on TV that shows that most go into shock in a tragic situation and just stand around or wander aimlessly. Then there are those who keep their wits about them and do something about the situation. Most are in the shock category.

No way someone in their 50's would be considered elderly, by any standard.
To me that's 65 or older.

 

[Floh]

No way someone in their 50's would be considered elderly, by any standard.
To me that's 65 or older.

My darling cousin is 76 and she doesn't consider herself elderly!

and me, 2 years shy of 50 also, i'd never thought of it before . . . :waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

bloody hell!