Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #10

[luckylis]

I don't have an opinion one way or the other yet, but one thing I'm wondering-- why release her chained? Wouldn't there potentially be fingerprints or evidence on the restraints? Or even serial numbers that could be traced if it was industrial hose clamps? I would think, from an abductor's standpoint, you would want *less* evidence of your crime out there.

The abductors were clearly not professionals, in my opinion, and didn't think about details like this. I believe her abduction was to send a message to a known person within the family circle, and taking care of little details like serial numbers, etc were above the abductors' forethought.

 

[soanyway]

You are right, it is very helpful to see other perspectives and I appreciate your comments. I've been convinced from the beginning that it was an abduction, but have changed the "who" and "why" several times (initially a RSO and the why pretty obvious). I'm usually rather cynical, so keeping an open-mind requires continual awareness. But I do think we bring a lot of personal experiences to interpretations. The 20-year younger version of myself would probably have a much different take.

I respectfully continue to disagree on the phone calls KP may have made that morning, though I'm not surprised he beat LE to the hospital. Maybe more surprised that they didn't escort him down there, but I suspect he wasn't exactly going the speed limit. But he had to have explained what was going on to whoever had the kids or the family could've feared something had happened to him as well. I didn't see anything in the logs that morning. SP's sister responded she was "at home" when asked "when" she found out. So until SP's mother makes a statement that she didn't get a call right away that SP had been found, I'm not convinced otherwise. MOO Thanks again for your insight

I appreciate you going through my post and picking at it; it's good to see a different perspective and seeing all the different things I find odd put into a perspective of not being that odd.

My points were leading, but that's because that's how I see them. If she were unconscious, was she unconscious for the whole 3 weeks, or did they then blindfold her for 3 weeks? Or were they wearing masks? Was the intention always to let her go on thanksgiving? Is that why they didn't want her to see them? It's difficult for me to not question each part because either all of it should add up or none of it. I don't know which side it is yet... I'm working my way through it [emoji6]

The only part I have to disagree with entirely is that "We don't know who KP told about SP being found alive or when." - We know that he was called and put through to SP via CHP and made it to where she was before the Sheriff's men had arrived.

However, you're certainly not in a minority I don't think. I've seen a definite half and half posting of support for both sides of the argument. It's amazing really how we can see two entirely different stories from the same set of information! It's good to talk it through and hash it all about.

I really hope there's a conclusion to it all; for all our sakes!

 

[skibaboo]

You bring up a good point. Perhaps the abductor works in the industrial field...a field where hose clamps are readily available or handy. If not, why would the abductor think of *hose clamps* to bound SP? If I'm going to abduct someone and I don't work in an industrial field, I don't suddenly think of hose clamps. I am only going to grab something as specific as that because its readily handy or available. I'm going to grab rope, zip ties, handcuffs, etc. But *hose clamps*??

So, without violating TOS, can we think to ourselves the abductors possibly working in an industrial-related field?

Me thinks I'm onto something...

I noticed field after field of vineyards, and orchards when I was on my travels around streetview, all along and around I5. Those places would be somwhere you find hoses, and also hose clamps, no? Maybe someone worked or lived nearby and had those handy in their vehicle?

 

[wfgodot]

The abductors were clearly not professionals, in my opinion, and didn't think about details like this. I believe her abduction was to send a message to a known person within the family circle, and taking care of little details like serial numbers, etc were above the abductors' forethought.

Well, if one accepts the fact of the kidnapping as having been proven, I'd say they did a bang-up job: kept her three weeks without detection or escape, dropped her off in public and were not caught, still free now, etc.

What message and which family member? Interesting, but what makes you think so?

Could it have been an inside job?

 

[trixandhoney]

Sorry if it's been mentioned but this article specifically says that police have withheld information from the public: "He told the Associated Press that “sensitive information” has not be publicly released and that the investigation is 'critical and active.' "

 

[trixandhoney]

Sorry if it's been mentioned but this article specifically says that police have withheld information from the public: "He told the Associated Press that “sensitive information” has not be publicly released and that the investigation is 'critical and active.' "

Link:https://www.google.com/amp/www.lati...igation-20161128-story,amp.html?client=safari

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Sorry if mentioned before but daily mail article quotes the dad ken as saying hubby got to her before the sheriffs did????

Some sources say KP first "reunited" with SP at the hospital; others say he first met up with her at the intersection release site, where he was so fast getting there that he even "beat the sheriffs" (according to his father's recounting). Other sources state that he first met up with SP at the release site--after CHP but before the sheriffs arrived on scene.

Now, creatively merge these accounts or simply take your pick. None of us could effectively argue one way or another...

If I recall correctly, when I read the HI site. I believe it said SP wasn't served so the divorce couldn't move forward.

Thank you; that seems to make the most sense, at least (I couldn't make out the meanings of the abbreviations).

 

[creepcrusher]

As I stated before Sherri was found alive, I'm leaning towards her possibly meeting someone online, who wasn't who she thought they were.

An example- a female poses as a male giving her attention, building some kind of an emotional relationship, tricking her to trust them. It seems she spent a lot of time online. And once again LE mentioned looking into her online activity.

LE and the family knew she was out of the area days into their search. This was right when the FBI got involved. They must have found something on her computer/cell to cause them to believe that.

She was selling high end designer clothes online- possibly leading people to believe she had money.

Maybe there's good reason why the family believed offering cash would bring her back. They knew something that we didn't.

Even though LE says the ransom had nothing to do with her return, I believe it has everything to do with it, but as promised LE was left out of the exchange. What was most important to the family was getting Sherri back.

I'm not saying it's right. I just believe it makes sense as to how everything has played out so far. It could cause similar abductions in the future. It could backfire, but is that what a family is thinking about when they're desperate to have their loved one back?

Probably not.

Of course this is all JMO.




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[Mims]

In regards to the statement that she appeared to be heavily battered when found, it would be very interesting to know if all of the wounds were fresh/recent, or if any were already healing/older wounds.

 

[IdeMae]

I noticed field after field of vineyards, and orchards when I was on my travels around streetview, all along and around I5. Those places would be somwhere you find hoses, and also hose clamps, no? Maybe someone worked or lived nearby and had those handy in their vehicle?

That entire corridor is agricultural, so yes. Mostly almonds and rice in that area. My sister has a rice farm in that area.

❤

 

[Mosaic]

You are right, it is very helpful to see other perspectives and I appreciate your comments. I've been convinced from the beginning that it was an abduction, but have changed the "who" and "why" several times (initially a RSO and the why pretty obvious). I'm usually rather cynical, so keeping an open-mind requires continual awareness. But I do think we bring a lot of personal experiences to interpretations. The 20-year younger version of myself would probably have a much different take.

I respectfully continue to disagree on the phone calls KP may have made that morning, though I'm not surprised he beat LE to the hospital. Maybe more surprised that they didn't escort him down there, but I suspect he wasn't exactly going the speed limit. But he had to have explained what was going on to whoever had the kids or the family could've feared something had happened to him as well. I didn't see anything in the logs that morning. SP's sister responded she was "at home" when asked "when" she found out. So until SP's mother makes a statement that she didn't get a call right away that SP had been found, I'm not convinced otherwise. MOO Thanks again for your insight

BBM: IIRC, her sister responded: (after a pause, looking up and down): it was on Thanksgiving

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016...held-by-sherri-papinis-sister-sheila-koester/

[FONT=&amp]"Reporter: Where were you and when did you learn of the good news?[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Sheila: I heard on Thanksgiving morning that she was found."[/FONT]

 

[LozDa]

You are right, it is very helpful to see other perspectives and I appreciate your comments. I've been convinced from the beginning that it was an abduction, but have changed the "who" and "why" several times (initially a RSO and the why pretty obvious). I'm usually rather cynical, so keeping an open-mind requires continual awareness. But I do think we bring a lot of personal experiences to interpretations. The 20-year younger version of myself would probably have a much different take.

I respectfully continue to disagree on the phone calls KP may have made that morning, though I'm not surprised he beat LE to the hospital. Maybe more surprised that they didn't escort him down there, but I suspect he wasn't exactly going the speed limit. But he had to have explained what was going on to whoever had the kids or the family could've feared something had happened to him as well. I didn't see anything in the logs that morning. SP's sister responded she was "at home" when asked "when" she found out. So until SP's mother makes a statement that she didn't get a call right away that SP had been found, I'm not convinced otherwise. MOO Thanks again for your insight

BBM From the transcript:

Reporter: Where were you and when did you learn of the good news?
Sheila: I heard on Thanksgiving morning that she was found.


The rest we will mull over until we have any further information that may help to clarify one way or another

 

[Mariposa]

In light of the fact their is a public record that divorce proceeding was initiated against SP in 2006 in Hawaii, has there been anything found to suggest she has ever lived in Hawaii? I know there have been suggestions of other cities she has lived in within California based on public records, but I haven't seen anything suggesting such connections with other states.

http://hoohiki.courts.hawaii.gov/#/case?caseId=1DV061004000

 

[skibaboo]

That entire corridor is agricultural, so yes. Mostly almonds and rice in that area. My sister has a rice farm in that area.

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Interesting thank you! I didn't now what fruit they were bearing but one of the reasons I love doing maps and driving around streetview trying to identify locations, is I get to see the sights of such beautiful places !

Sincerely, one enlightened British agoraphobe

 

[Stripehaven]

In regards to the statement that she appeared to be heavily battered when found, it would be very interesting to know if all of the wounds were fresh/recent, or if any were already healing/older wounds.

I agree. I have been trying to figure out how to word my current question but I wonder if someone known to Sheri attacked her and injured her much more badly than intended, then hid her away until she started to heal and/or didn't die. I am not suggesting anyone in particular. I just mean I wonder if it was some sort of fight or attack or "warning" that went especially wrong and the kidnapping story was concocted by the perp, with Sheri being threatened to go along with it. I dunno. I guess I think that whatever happened, Sheri was personally targeted for some reason. I do not think she was complicit, except possibly at this point, she may be too terrified to share more info.

 

[JusMeJim]

What was the purpose of the ?
Now that she is home safe, will people get their money back?
Would it be right for them to keep the $50,000, and why would they since she was only gone for 3 weeks?

Just wondering...

I don't know what type of searches was done, but a search can run into thousands of dollars, especially if trained dogs, and/or professional search teams were brought in. If there was money that was not used then I'd agree that somehow the money should be returned or maybe donated to some sort of search and rescue organization?

 

[Mosaic]

@LozDa: I just noticed

 

[LozDa]

Interesting thank you! I didn't now what fruit they were bearing but one of the reasons I love doing maps and driving around streetview trying to identify locations, is I get to see the sights of such beautiful places !

Sincerely, one enlightened British agoraphobe

:loveyou:

 

[soanyway]

YES! Thank you for correcting me. I just remembered it being a rather indirect response.

BBM: IIRC, her sister responded: (after a pause, looking up and down): it was on Thanksgiving

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016...held-by-sherri-papinis-sister-sheila-koester/

[FONT=&amp]"Reporter: Where were you and when did you learn of the good news?[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Sheila: I heard on Thanksgiving morning that she was found."[/FONT]

 

[creepcrusher]

Actually I vote for the CHP man on the scene. Most police officers have seen it all. They spend numerous hours in training programs.

I think they call a spade a spade.

Yep my vote is the policeman, highly trained and not new to tragedy told what he saw and what his training told him happened.

I agree with you. My husband has been a fire captain for 16 years. He's also been following this case. He was skeptical until he read about how CHP described her condition. They don't exaggerate someone's appearance. If anything they minimize it. Unfortunately with their line of work, it's easier to become numb to traumatic situations when they see them.


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