Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #23

[bears10]

I didn't say anything about whether or not I think they have evidence of 2 Latina kidnappers (I'm undecided on that). But I don't think we should assume they are at a standstill or lack evidence in this case. I imagine what has been released is a fraction of the info and evidence they have. 20 sealed search warrants must contain A LOT of info. JMO.

If those search warrants contain so much info, it’s a little discouraging that LE hasn’t been able to identify any POIs by this point.

I can’t say I’d love to be a resident of Redding, especially a female resident. Imagine worrying about watching your back every time you are outside because there are two kidnappers on the lam? LE has the benefit of having access to a living victim. SO many cases do not afford LE that type of luxury, yet they are able to make arrests, or even just have POIs or suspects named.


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[Gardener1850]

If those search warrants contain so much info, it’s a little discouraging that LE hasn’t been able to identify any POIs by this point.

I can’t say I’d love to be a resident of Redding, especially a female resident. Imagine worrying about watching your back every time you are outside because there are two kidnappers on the lam? LE has the benefit of having access to a living victim. SO many cases do not afford LE that type of luxury, yet they are able to make arrests, or even just have POIs or suspects named.


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I admit I am an eternal optimist as I have hope they will solve this case eventually. What the outcome will be, I haven't got a clue. I do hope they solve it soon. JMO.

 

[gitana1]

BBM. I think you're being generous. [emoji8]JMHO, but KP changing his story to include prior calls/texts, when his first statements to 911 and the press just included the find my phone, isn't conclusive to me. I'd love LE to directly make a statement on the phone records.

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Oh. Got it. So he changed it with the reporter but you're right. With 911 he didn't say, "I used findmyiphone because she didn't answer my texts or calls." Ok. I WAS being generous and I take that back and go back to my previous thought - he thought she was up to no good and was trying to catch her.

Based on how calm and descriptive he was with LE he would've said he had tried to call and text if he had, I think.

 

[bears10]

I admit I am an eternal optimist as I have hope they will solve this case eventually. What the outcome will be, I haven't got a clue. I do hope they solve it soon. JMO.

Yes I can see that you are. I have seen and admired your dedication and optimism on other threads as well.

Even though I may not see eye to eye with you here, I too of course hope they solve this case sooner rather than later. If two cray kidnappers are on the loose, they need to be arrested stat. If no kidnappers are on the loose, the public, specifically residents of Redding, deserve to know for their own peace of mind. I say this as someone who lives where multiple body parts from victims of the LISK have been found. I want to know who is responsible and if I have a reason to be so fearful. I am sure the women of Redding feel the same.


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[gitana1]

There is NO direct quote from KP on what he told his kids about Thanksgiving. The "he promised his kids she would be home for Thanksgiving" was a reporter's words. No quotes around them at all. KP never did an interview with the Daily Mail-- the only "newspaper" to publish that about a promise to the kids. DM spoke to his father but the article doesn't even directly quote KP's father saying "He promised..." or "he knew" she would be home. The quoted part says they "hoped" she would be home by then but he also says twice they didn't believe it would come true. Plus this article, the only article that mentions this so-called "Thanksgiving Promise", was published AFTER Sherri was found. So it could not have been a message to her pleading for her come home.

Here is the writing about the thanksgiving promise in context:

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...omised-children-d-holidays.html#ixzz4yLhvsRJR

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I don't care if there was a direct quote. That's a pretty big falsehood with serious implications and I'm certain the papinis are aware of it. But no denials that I know of.

The quoted part indicates something came before it, about thanksgiving. It flows perfectly from the promise.

So i do believe he made that statement to a reporter and I believe it was a plea to SP:

Last week he promised their two children, Tyler four and Violet, two, that 'mommy' would be home by Thanksgiving.

'Of course we all hoped it would come true, you have to have faith,' said Ken.
'But we had planned to have a nice family Thanksgiving and none of us were allowed to mention it, we would only talk about forgiving and thanks. 'None of us imagined it might actually come true.'
'None of us imagined it might actually come true.'

 

[gitana1]

I too think that the publishing of his comment that he told the kids she would be home on Thanksgiving was a message to her to "reappear".

I agree. But for probably different reasons.

 

[gitana1]

Thank you for responding Gitana! I guess what I was trying to convey in my post is I think LE lied to Williams and to us, the public, regarding the lie detector test. I think LE used the lie detector test ruse to put Williams at ease and also the public (because you know we were hot on his trail from the beginning). I don't think the test meant squat to the investigators. It was simply used as an "investigative tool."

I think my scattered brain self took a big leap when I heard "did not reveal anything about his involvement in Tricia's disappearance" to Oh! Look at that! He passed the lie detector test. I wonder if that was not LE's psychology in wording the press release like they did - most will interpret that as he passed.

In hindsight, they also pleaded in the same press conference for additional CCTV footage from home owners and local businesses. In an additional interview (no link), they stated when they received the additional footage that is when they discovered he was lying.

I hope I'm not coming across as obtuse or argumentative. My question is do you think LE would have a problem lying to the public and to a suspect if they have a high suspicion of the suspect's guilt?

Thank you so much! I have much respect for you and your posts!

Thanks, friend.

I do not believe LE would publicly clear someone they actuallly suspected. That would have serious legal implications that would harm any case they might have had against the suspect.

 

[gitana1]

Well LE has the option of asking them to and KP has volunteered. Why do you think LE have not asked them to do additional (or first) polygraph tests? Could it be that LE knows info we don't know and they don't see any value in administering polygraphs to the Papinis? Could it be that LE actually do believe them as they have stated to the press? :thinking:

Well I'm certain they believe Keith. I'm certain they don't believe he was responsible for her disappearance or knew where she was

 

[MsFacetious]

I was replying to someone saying they paid off their house. Which they’d didn’t do bc it’s not their house. We have no idea if they paid rent as far as I know.


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They DID buy the house they were living in. I was surprised because I thought they had bought ANOTHER house, not the same one.
I'm sure someone else will link because I have to go, if not I will link later. It's in this thread though.

 

[bears10]

They DID buy the house they were living in. I was surprised because I thought they had bought ANOTHER house, not the same one.
I'm sure someone else will link because I have to go, if not I will link later. It's in this thread though.

They didn’t. Apparently KPs mom put it into her trust. The DM was not accurate with that info, they never provided proof that KP and SP bought it. You can look thru Shasta County records and see Kathleen Papini do a deed transfer to her trust in early may.


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[gitana1]

IMO ... I would not pay off my house. I would move, and I mean immediiately.
That is just me! these two women kidnapped her from her own neighborhood, and kept her for 22 days. just too close to home for me to ever feel safe there.

Especially with my KIDS.

 

[Gardener1850]

I don't care if there was a direct quote. That's a pretty big falsehood with serious implications and I'm certain the papinis are aware of it. But no denials that I know of.

The quoted part indicates something came before it, about thanksgiving. It flows perfectly from the promise.

So i do believe he made that statement to a reporter and I believe it was a plea to SP:

Last week he promised their two children, Tyler four and Violet, two, that 'mommy' would be home by Thanksgiving.

'Of course we all hoped it would come true, you have to have faith,' said Ken.
'But we had planned to have a nice family Thanksgiving and none of us were allowed to mention it, we would only talk about forgiving and thanks. 'None of us imagined it might actually come true.'
'None of us imagined it might actually come true.'

But how could it be a plea to Sherri when it wasn't in the press until after she was found? The reporter's ability to write a sentence, in his own words, that flows perfectly with the quoted parts after has little to do with whether or not the sentence is true or something Keith actually said. The reporter might have asked a question such as "did you think she would be home for Thanksgiving" to which Ken's answers would also "flow" and make sense. Again, this was ONE unquoted line in ONE article in a UK paper known for sensationalist journalism in which the reporter never even spoke to Keith. No other papers reported that Keith promised his kids that SP would be home for Thanksgiving. I don't believe we should be giving it much weight. JMO.

 

[bears10]

But how could it be a plea to Sherri when it wasn't in the press until after she was found? The reporter's ability to write a sentence, in his own words, that flows perfectly with the quoted parts after has little to do with whether or not the sentence is true or something Keith actually said. The reporter might have asked a question such as "did you think she would be home for Thanksgiving" to which Ken's answers would also "flow" and make sense. Again, this was ONE unquoted line in ONE article in a UK paper known for sensationalist journalism in which the reporter never even spoke to Keith. No other papers reported that Keith promised his kids that SP would be home for Thanksgiving. I don't believe we should be giving it much weight. JMO.

I’m not the person you were talking to but just to butt in, lol, I think his “plea”
To Sherri was taking the case to the media and putting it on blast. JMO


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[cluciano63]

I would not be able to stay in the same neighborhood if indeed I, or my spouse had been kidnapped off the street by unknowns for unknown purposes. Nothing could make me stay there. But jmo

 

[Midge Montana]

I would not be able to stay in the same neighborhood if indeed I, or my spouse had been kidnapped off the street by unknowns for unknown purposes. Nothing could make me stay there. But jmo

I'm right there with you on that! In fact, I think I would look into changing our identities and moving to another state, starting a new life, Witness Protection Program style. It might be pretty difficult for them to go to that extreme though, as they are pretty recognizable.
What a horrible life to live, at this point, whether it's true or a hoax or a mixture.

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

I’m not the person you were talking to but just to butt in, lol, I think his “plea”
To Sherri was taking the case to the media and putting it on blast. JMO


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"The benefactor said that if Sherri Papini, 34, isn’t returned immediately, the deal expires at 5 a.m. Wednesday."



http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article116329608.html


IMO she was told to come home.
Her captors were given a certain day and time to have her reappear.
That whole ransom/reverse ransom, drama was ridiculous.
23 1/2 hours later she was found.
Moo

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[Cannonball3804]

Looking back at Sherri's timeline back to 2000, it looks to me like there is a pattern of significant events (sometimes happy, sometimes not) every 2 or 3 years. A lot of these events seem to take place between October and December, oddly enough. I couldn't find the date of the wedding.

Feel free to correct me if I've got anything wrong, or add anything I missed.

October 2000 - Sherri's sister and her father separately allege burglary of their residences. The sister suspected Sherri.

October 2003 - Sherri's dad alleges that she withdrew money from his bank account without permission.

December 2003 - Sherri's mother alleges that Sherri is harming herself and blaming the mother.

January 2006 - Papini marries her first husband.

December 2006 - Sherri's first husband files for divorce. Sherri and Keith Papini move in together.

Sometime in 2009 - Sherri and Keith get married.

2012 - pregnancy/first child

2014 - pregnancy/second child

November 2, 2016 - Sherri disappears for three weeks before re-emerging on Thanksgiving.

I wonder if perhaps some past traumatic event happened in Sherri's life around the holidays? Maybe parents' divorce? It looks to me like around this time every few years, she is triggered to either act out or else plan some happy event. Either way, it's something that brings attention to her, positive or negative. From the turn of the century, she spent 7 years acting out, then 7 years planning weddings and pregnancies and raising babies to toddlerhood. Maybe at that point it became an issue of, what now? Nothing is about me anymore...

 

[hey-Debbie]

I wonder if perhaps some past traumatic event happened in Sherri's life around the holidays? Maybe parents' divorce? It looks to me like around this time every few years, she is triggered to either act out or else plan some happy event. Either way, it's something that brings attention to her, positive or negative. From the turn of the century, she spent 7 years acting out, then 7 years planning weddings and pregnancies and raising babies to toddlerhood. Maybe at that point it became an issue of, what now? Nothing is about me anymore...

I can see the attention getting thing. Maybe she was talking to more than one man over the internet. Maybe she wasn't getting the attention that she wanted in her marriage and that's why or how this whole thing started. Everyone likes a little flattery now and then but if you are in a happy, secure marriage, I wouldn't think that she would have been looking to meet other men.

 

[Rayemonde]

"The benefactor said that if Sherri Papini, 34, isn’t returned immediately, the deal expires at 5 a.m. Wednesday."



http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article116329608.html


IMO she was told to come home.
Her captors were given a certain day and time to have her reappear.
That whole ransom/reverse ransom, drama was ridiculous.
23 1/2 hours later she was found.
Moo

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Could someone have been bribing SP to stop acting out and come back to her husband and children?

CG stated “We don’t care if you’re a convicted felon, if you’re a person with a warrant out for your arrest or a drug addict,” the man in the video said. “You lead us to Sherri, we give you more money than you can spend.”

http://www.recorder.com/Missing-Shasta-County-woman-is-found-safe-after-three-weeks-6384664

 

[neesaki]

Sodium Pentothal.





LE can lie to a suspect and they often do. And sometimes they make misrepresentations to the public like, "We have no reason to disbelieve the husband." Or, "the public is not in danger." Or "They need compassion right. Please respect their privacy" (like the case of the little boy found stuffed in the septic tank on the east coast).

I have never ever seen LE release an official statement in a press release that a suspect was cleared when they weren't. Such a press release could be used in court against the police. It doesn't happen.

KP has been cleared.

I keep wondering about Sodium Pentathol, actually in regard to several cases I follow. Is that still offered as a truth serum for those who volunteer to do so? Or is it illegal now? I have no idea. TIA