Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #23

[Bootsctr]

Not close to the same. First of all, one main difference is between what LE states to the public and what they state to the suspect.

LE rarely tells the public the results of a lie detector test even though they may tell the suspects or lie about it to the suspects.

The second issue is LE did NOT say Williams passed. They stated:

The Sheriff's Office said it did not reveal anything about his involvement in Tricia's disappearance..

That is not the same as saying he passed.

Finally, they never stated he was "cleared". Anyone, show me one case where LE releases an official press release stating a person is cleared when they haven't been. Show me one. As it was in the same statement that KP passed a LDT it is not false.

KP has been officially cleared and is not involved in the disappearance.

Thank you for responding Gitana! I guess what I was trying to convey in my post is I think LE lied to Williams and to us, the public, regarding the lie detector test. I think LE used the lie detector test ruse to put Williams at ease and also the public (because you know we were hot on his trail from the beginning). I don't think the test meant squat to the investigators. It was simply used as an "investigative tool."

I think my scattered brain self took a big leap when I heard "did not reveal anything about his involvement in Tricia's disappearance" to Oh! Look at that! He passed the lie detector test. I wonder if that was not LE's psychology in wording the press release like they did - most will interpret that as he passed.

In hindsight, they also pleaded in the same press conference for additional CCTV footage from home owners and local businesses. In an additional interview (no link), they stated when they received the additional footage that is when they discovered he was lying.

I hope I'm not coming across as obtuse or argumentative. My question is do you think LE would have a problem lying to the public and to a suspect if they have a high suspicion of the suspect's guilt?

Thank you so much! I have much respect for you and your posts!

 

[Gardener1850]

As far as KP passing the polygraph, well, there is the possibility IMO that at the beginning he maybe didn't know anything and passed the poly. IMO he became aware of what was happening later on and in order to save face and to make it easier for her to return, he had to become her spokesman and totally support whatever story came up. JMO

But SCSO said KP offered to take another polygraph if needed for the investigation. Why would he do that if he suddenly had to lie to police to protect SP/save face?

Here is the press release that mentions he volunteered to take another one: https://www.co.shasta.ca.us/docs/li...estigation-update---october-2017.pdf?sfvrsn=0

 

[Gardener1850]

I too think that the publishing of his comment that he told the kids she would be home on Thanksgiving was a message to her to "reappear".

It wasn't a quote and it wasn't published until AFTER she was home. See above my reply to gitana1 (post#419).

 

[lonetraveler]

But SCSO said KP offered to take another polygraph if needed for the investigation. Why would he do that if he suddenly had to lie to police to protect SP/save face?

Here is the press release that mentions he volunteered to take another one: https://www.co.shasta.ca.us/docs/li...estigation-update---october-2017.pdf?sfvrsn=0

Thank you, too bad he hasn't taken another one or better yet, too bad she hasn't taken one.

 

[Gardener1850]

Thank you, too bad he hasn't taken another one or better yet, too bad she hasn't taken one.

Well LE has the option of asking them to and KP has volunteered. Why do you think LE have not asked them to do additional (or first) polygraph tests? Could it be that LE knows info we don't know and they don't see any value in administering polygraphs to the Papinis? Could it be that LE actually do believe them as they have stated to the press? :thinking:

 

[Cannonball3804]

Looking back at Sherri's timeline back to 2000, it looks to me like there is a pattern of significant events (sometimes happy, sometimes not) every 2 or 3 years. A lot of these events seem to take place between October and December, oddly enough. I couldn't find the date of the wedding.

Feel free to correct me if I've got anything wrong, or add anything I missed.

October 2000 - Sherri's sister and her father separately allege burglary of their residences. The sister suspected Sherri.

October 2003 - Sherri's dad alleges that she withdrew money from his bank account without permission.

December 2003 - Sherri's mother alleges that Sherri is harming herself and blaming the mother.

January 2006 - Papini marries her first husband.

December 2006 - Sherri's first husband files for divorce. Sherri and Keith Papini move in together.

Sometime in 2009 - Sherri and Keith get married.

2012 - pregnancy/first child

2014 - pregnancy/second child

November 2, 2016 - Sherri disappears for three weeks before re-emerging on Thanksgiving.

 

[bears10]

Well LE has the option of asking them to and KP has volunteered. Why do you think LE have not asked them to do additional polygraph tests? Could it be that LE knows info we don't know and they don't see any value in administering additional polygraphs to the Papinis? Could it be that LE actually do believe them as they have stated to the press? :thinking:

They never asked Sherri to take a polygraph. IMO maybe they don’t need Keith to take one bc they have a hunch where Sherri was, and/or who she was with. Whether or not they believe her, I am sure they are treading very lightly due to the DH case and the backlash LE got from accusing her very early on that she was lying.

I’m not saying SP isn’t a victim. I think it’s very plausible that whatever happened the day she disappeared wasn’t what she expected or planned on, and she doesn’t want to tell the truth because it may not shed her in the best light. Just an opinion


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[Gardener1850]

They never asked Sherri to take a polygraph. IMO maybe they don’t need Keith to take one bc they have a hunch where Sherri was, and/or who she was with. Whether or not they believe her, I am sure they are treading very lightly due to the DH case and the backlash LE got from accusing her very early on that she was lying.

I’m not saying SP isn’t a victim. I think it’s very plausible that whatever happened the day she disappeared wasn’t what she expected or planned on, and she doesn’t want to tell the truth because it may not shed her in the best light. Just an opinion


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RBBM. Right. My question remains the same. IF they have doubts about her story, then I find it strange they are still treating her with kid gloves a year later. I would think that after a year of talking to her weekly there would be enough discrepancies or changes in her story to justify a polygraph. Unless they don't think they need one... :thinking:

 

[bears10]

RBBM. Right. My question remains the same. IF they have doubts about her story, then I find it strange they are still treating her with kid gloves a year later. I would think that after a year of talking to her weekly there would be enough discrepancies or changes in her story to justify a polygraph. Unless they don't think they need one... :thinking:

I hear ya and understand where you’re coming from. It just doesn’t look like they have much evidence either way, and they don’t want to risk treating her as a liar. They literally have no proof two Latina women kidnapped her in broad daylight. The FBIs poster is pretty interesting IMO. They never say kidnapping, abduction, persons of interest, suspects, etc.

ETA bc I know someone will correct me. They haven’t said they have any proof two Latina women snatched her up in broad daylight. If they had evidence of that, I don’t think they’d be at such a standstill.

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[ShHolmz]

IMO ... I would not pay off my house. I would move, and I mean immediiately.
That is just me! these two women kidnapped her from her own neighborhood, and kept her for 22 days. just too close to home for me to ever feel safe there.

 

[MaryG12]

I'm personally not suspicious of KP knowing at first. And I don't know what to think of SP. I guess at this point my greatest suspicion is that she does know why it happened, at least. She might not have known it was going to happen tho.

I am leaning in that direction too, it sounds like she got involved with someone (or more than one) not knowing what the outcome would be, or possibly, knowing what the outcome would be, but decided to take the risk anyways.

It might explain why she is laying so low, tending to family matters esp. her young children right now.

MOO it sounds like someone threatened her to not do whatever she was doing at the time.

 

[bears10]

IMO ... I would not pay off my house. I would move, and I mean immediiately.
That is just me! these two women kidnapped her from her own neighborhood, and kept her for 22 days. just too close to home for me to ever feel safe there.

It’s not their house. It’s KPs moms house. So really no reason to stay there in terms of finances.


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[MaryG12]

Does anyone know if SP is KP's first wife?

 

[Gardener1850]

I hear ya and understand where you’re coming from. It just doesn’t look like they have much evidence either way, and they don’t want to risk treating her as a liar. They literally have no proof two Latina women kidnapped her in broad daylight. The FBIs poster is pretty interesting IMO. They never say kidnapping, abduction, persons of interest, suspects, etc.

ETA bc I know someone will correct me. They haven’t said they have any proof two Latina women snatched her up in broad daylight. If they had evidence of that, I don’t think they’d be at such a standstill.

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RBBM. I don't know that we can say they are at a standstill in their investigation. Sgt. Jackson recently said this:

"We are working on several leads currently that we have not been able to rule out or discount, so leads we are actively looking at, and we are moving forward in hopes of catching the captors," added Jackson.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sherri...shows-california-mother-before-she-was-found/

Sounds like they are still investigating and getting new leads. JMO.

 

[Cannonball3804]

It’s not their house. It’s KPs moms house. So really no reason to stay there in terms of finances.


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How do you figure? Staying in mom's house rent free (likely) vs moving anywhere else where there would be rent/mortgage. All the reason in the world to stay where they are.

 

[lonetraveler]

I interviewed criminal profiler Pat Brown about Sherri Papini.

Here is the link to listen on iTunes / Apple Podcasts: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast...rime-victim/id1200565928?i=1000394671579&mt=2

If you don't have iTunes or an Apple device, you can listen here: https://audioboom.com/posts/6478703-sherri-papini-real-life-gone-girl-or-crime-victim

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Great podcast and I totally share Pat Brown's thoughts on the case.

 

[bears10]

How do you figure? Staying in mom's house rent free (likely) vs moving anywhere else where there would be rent/mortgage. All the reason in the world to stay where they are.

I was replying to someone saying they paid off their house. Which they’d didn’t do bc it’s not their house. We have no idea if they paid rent as far as I know.


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[bears10]

RBBM. I don't know that we can say they are at a standstill in their investigation. Sgt. Jackson recently said this:



https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sherri...shows-california-mother-before-she-was-found/

Sounds like they are still investigating and getting new leads. JMO.

With all due respect, after a year of having SP back home, and they still don’t have any idea who these two Latina kidnappers are, id say it’s at a standstill. I mean it’s not like a murder case where the victim isn’t able to their story. They have SP alive and well after spending 22 days with these two Latina women, getting close enough to one to slam her head into a toilet bowl.


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[ShHolmz]

Does anyone recall the color of the bandanas worn by the captors?
Just curious if it was always the same color every day or if they matched eachother (skinny brows & bushy brows )?
I watched Orange is the New Black and one episode showed 2 inmates giving the third Inmate a Nazi brand
Funny how some things imitate life



IMO. I do not know what SP was brand ed with or what it says
neither does LE

 

[Gardener1850]

With all due respect, after a year of having SP back home, and they still don’t have any idea who these two Latina kidnappers are, id say it’s at a standstill. I mean it’s not like a murder case where the victim isn’t able to their story. They have SP alive and well after spending 22 days with these two Latina women, getting close enough to one to slam her head into a toilet bowl.


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I didn't say anything about whether or not I think they have evidence of 2 Latina kidnappers (I'm undecided on that). But I don't think we should assume they are at a standstill or lack evidence in this case. I imagine what has been released is a fraction of the info and evidence they have. 20 sealed search warrants must contain A LOT of info. JMO.