Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #23

[Deleted member 189081]

I'm personally not suspicious of KP knowing at first. And I don't know what to think of SP. I guess at this point my greatest suspicion is that she does know why it happened, at least. She might not have known it was going to happen tho.

I tend to agree with this.

 

[katydid23]

I think she is purposely leaving out important info, but she probably has good reasons. I believe she made a 'deal' for her release---she promised not to describe them or the situation accurately, under threat they would come after her children and family.

If so, that still makes her a victim. It would be sad to think that everyone is calling her a liar and saying it is a hoax, when it is quite possibly not that at all.

IMO, it is quite possible that she has valid reasons for telling this version of events. She may have been kidnapped, but not in the way it has been described. But if she told the true facts, she knows there would be potential retaliation. If she really was held captive for 22 days, she would never want that to happen again. Especially to her children.

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

I think she is purposely leaving out important info, but she probably has good reasons. I believe she made a 'deal' for her release---she promised not to describe them or the situation accurately, under threat they would come after her children and family.

If so, that still makes her a victim. It would be sad to think that everyone is calling her a liar and saying it is a hoax, when it is quite possibly not that at all.

IMO, it is quite possible that she has valid reasons for telling this version of events. She may have been kidnapped, but not in the way it has been described. But if she told the true facts, she knows there would be potential retaliation. If she really was held captive for 22 days, she would never want that to happen again. Especially to her children.

If she was really kidnapped, would she still be living in the same house? Area?
If she waa really afraid for her children would they be at the same daycare???

Moo

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[DakotaMayi]

Ok, just going off margarita's question about the people who don't believe her...

The people that do believe her... do you believe her completely, solely, the whole thing? Or do you just believe that something awful happened to her but you're not 100% sure what that something is?

 

[bears10]

They had already told us last year that they were investigating someone in Michigan. The media filed a FOIA request and got LE's receipts showing the trip to Michigan and the cities they visited. I believe SCSO gave that information so that the media would not keep digging and try to discover the identity of the person in Michigan who was cleared of any involvement. I believe the media would have kept digging and found out who the Michigan man was (some in the press may already know) and there are gossip rags that would print his name and drag him into this circus in a heartbeat. JMO.

I don’t recall LE saying they were investigation someone in Michigan. I actually can’t recall them commenting on it at all, do you have a link to remind me?

ETA - meaning when the receipts were released.

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[bears10]

I agree.

If the idea is to put "pressure" on a suspect, it would stand to reason LE would make it clear that they felt the suspect was lying.

Telling the suspect and the public that they believe they are being truthful doesn't put much pressure on them at all in my opinion. JMO

LE did just that to Tyler Tessier though.

Wallen said his wife, Gwen, was shaking during the news conference — an event staged so that police could hear what their prime suspect, Tessier, would say

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/...girlfriends-murder-ordered-held-without-bond/


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[bears10]

I think she is purposely leaving out important info, but she probably has good reasons. I believe she made a 'deal' for her release---she promised not to describe them or the situation accurately, under threat they would come after her children and family.

If so, that still makes her a victim. It would be sad to think that everyone is calling her a liar and saying it is a hoax, when it is quite possibly not that at all.

IMO, it is quite possible that she has valid reasons for telling this version of events. She may have been kidnapped, but not in the way it has been described. But if she told the true facts, she knows there would be potential retaliation. If she really was held captive for 22 days, she would never want that to happen again. Especially to her children.

This theory doesn’t make sense to me because if the threat of retaliation is lingering, why move back into the same house where you were kidnapped like a mile away from... where you’re address has been published in MSM and police reports? Why wouldn’t you hightail it out of there and move far away? Makes no sense to me. I would never feel safe or comfortable in that house again.


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[Deleted member 158085]

Ok, just going off margarita's question about the people who don't believe her...

The people that do believe her... do you believe her completely, solely, the whole thing? Or do you just believe that something awful happened to her but you're not 100% sure what that something is?

I think it's possible she was kidnapped as pay-back for something she doesn't want to admit to, and so may not be being truthful about who kidnapped her and how.

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[DakotaMayi]

LE did just that to Tyler Tessier though.

Wallen said his wife, Gwen, was shaking during the news conference — an event staged so that police could hear what their prime suspect, Tessier, would say

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/...girlfriends-murder-ordered-held-without-bond/


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Yes, perfect example. And he flunked that presser.

 

[bears10]

Yes, perfect example. And he flunked that presser.

I think when LE does things like this (meaning letting their suspect think they believe he/she is innocent) its to do the exact opposite of to put pressure on them. They want them to feel comfortable and slip up. JMO


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[MzOpinion8d]

Nice... the S would be for Supermom, of course.

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Or "Signature" blonde hair! Lol

 

[natsound]

With it being women abductors, could it be that they catfished her, with a male profile? Could she have had a secondary phone that KP knew nothing about that she connected with her catfisher? Not wanting SP to know she had an online friend? Maybe that phone was taken with her and destroyed by her catfishers. It was a burner just for talking to new friends on SM.

I agree, it's possible she had a separate phone, but for some reason she texted MM on her main phone. When you say women may have catfished her with a male DNA profile, do you mean they may have rubbed male DNA on her clothes?

 

[natsound]

Regarding the cat-fishing theory-- has anyone considered the possibility that someone online was using SP's pictures in a cat-fishing scheme? She had so many glamorous shots online and cat-fishers often steal pictures like that to use to pretend to be someone else online. What if the cat-fish had nothing to do with Sherri but whomever GOT cat-fished by someone with her picture thought it was really her that they had been talking to? The person who was a cat-fishing victim (or that person's relatives) may have found out where she lived and gone to get revenge for some wrong that really had nothing to do with Sherri. IDK. Just a theory.

With other suspicious elements in the story, I can't believe SP was honestly taken against her will without first willingly venturing out to meet someone she wasn't supposed to. The phone appeared to be placed, she was texting a man, her mother's priorities were Facebook games and the election when SP was missing, and SP can't describe anything meaningful that will lead LE to the people who she claims kidnapped her. Whether she was catfished or not, it's just a possibility. IMO it's just as possible that she was solo the entire time and staged everything herself, except I don't know how she could have gotten 150 miles from her home without someone driving her.

Which leads me to another thought! Is there any possibility LE found an abandoned vehicle in the area where she was dropped off, and we just don't know about it? I'm brainstorming here.

 

[lns]

I think she is purposely leaving out important info, but she probably has good reasons. I believe she made a 'deal' for her release---she promised not to describe them or the situation accurately, under threat they would come after her children and family.

If so, that still makes her a victim. It would be sad to think that everyone is calling her a liar and saying it is a hoax, when it is quite possibly not that at all.

IMO, it is quite possible that she has valid reasons for telling this version of events. She may have been kidnapped, but not in the way it has been described. But if she told the true facts, she knows there would be potential retaliation. If she really was held captive for 22 days, she would never want that to happen again. Especially to her children.

I agree. I think that all of the "coincidences" are way too coincidental, but really feel as though it is because she is just too scared to give the real details.

 

[Mamamerced]

I've actually heard of the opposite. They pass but they're told they've failed. But I don't know if that's really happened.

My memory doesn't serve me so well anymore, but I think Steven Capobianco was told he passed the LD test in the Charli Scott murder.

 

[kkdj]

If she was really kidnapped, would she still be living in the same house? Area?
If she waa really afraid for her children would they be at the same daycare???

Moo

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This!

 

[RANCH]

LE did just that to Tyler Tessier though.

Wallen said his wife, Gwen, was shaking during the news conference — an event staged so that police could hear what their prime suspect, Tessier, would say

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/...girlfriends-murder-ordered-held-without-bond/


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I don't see anything about LE lying about polygraph results in this article.

ETA. Also, I don't see where LE told the suspect they believed he was telling the truth.

 

[Midge Montana]

The police can lie, even to the public, about anything they want in order to further the investigation or manipulate subjects.
One case that stands out to me in this aspect is the Beverly Carter case.
Police nabbed Arron Lewis, and at a press conference stated there were no others involved, while all along knowing that his wife Crystal was going to be scooped up next.
IMO they did this so that she would feel comfortable, while they were nailing things down. Eventually she was arrested too and rolled over on dear hubby.
In other words, make nice with the one who can eventually be turned, who can squeak all the details.
**NOT saying this is what is going on in this case, just relating that there are times when they might want to make the one who can solidify their case feel comfortable, and build a rapport.

 

[Gardener1850]

I don’t recall LE saying they were investigation someone in Michigan. I actually can’t recall them commenting on it at all, do you have a link to remind me?

ETA - meaning when the receipts were released.

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Not sure where I first read about the receipts but here is where michigan was first mentioned in Papini thread #12 -- From Nov 30, 2016: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ng-2-November-2016-12&p=12968258#post12968258

That thread references this article from just after she was found:

Before Papini was found, investigators said they had spoken with her friends and acquaintances, as well as “people Sherri has had past relationships with” in their efforts to find her. Investigators said they went out of state tracking leads. Detectives have submitted close to 20 search warrants – some of which are sealed – and said they’re examining cellphone records, bank accounts, email and social media profiles.
Investigators have declined to discuss what prompted them to file the search warrants or why detectives have traveled out of state. Bosenko said Wednesday that detectives traveled to Michigan as part of their investigation when she was still missing, but he said that so far none of those earlier leads appear linked to her abduction.

“We haven’t found any relevance relating to her abduction into things from her past or the search of electronic data,” Bosenko said. “We haven’t found anything at this point.”

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article117934978.html#storylink=cpy

Now that I look at this original statement on Michigan I am changing my mind slightly. I don't think the new statement had anything to do with the receipts the press found (can anyone find where I read about receipts?). They had already disclosed the Michigan part of the investigation so I think that SCSO decided to give a little more info and say they had ruled that person out as being involved. Above he said they had not found anything "at this point". I suspect they were still somewhat investigating Michigan man as this was released very soon after she was found. He may not have wanted to rule him out completely until DNA came back. The newer statement this year said flat out that the man from Michigan was not involved. JMO.
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[Stripehaven]

I think she is purposely leaving out important info, but she probably has good reasons. I believe she made a 'deal' for her release---she promised not to describe them or the situation accurately, under threat they would come after her children and family.

If so, that still makes her a victim. It would be sad to think that everyone is calling her a liar and saying it is a hoax, when it is quite possibly not that at all.

IMO, it is quite possible that she has valid reasons for telling this version of events. She may have been kidnapped, but not in the way it has been described. But if she told the true facts, she knows there would be potential retaliation. If she really was held captive for 22 days, she would never want that to happen again. Especially to her children.

I have been thinking this scenario through. In this case, the captors presumably would NOT be two Latinas. Probably a man and a woman, given the DNA findings. What could their motive have been? Of course, I can't figure out a motive no matter who did it!

And assuming the captors were serious about hurting her family if she talked, I wonder why they would not just dispose of SP instead of taking any risk by letting her go. They were cold enough to torture her. Let's assume they are cold enough to harm children. Why this act of mercy? And WHY release her with items of evidence hanging all over her - DNA- strewn clothes, a chain, restraints, a headbag.

I just can't make any genuine kidnapping scenario fall neatly into place in my head. I do keep trying, though.