Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #3

[GigTu]

11/2/16
10:37 AM Texts husband asking if he'll be home for lunch
11:00 AM-ish Possibly seen by tree cutters
1:39 PM Husband responds to text that he won't be home for lunch
2:00 PM-ish (exact time unknown) Sherri is possibly seen walking/jogging in the area near Sunrise Drive and Sundust Road
5:00 - 6:00 PM-ish (exact time unknown) Husband returns home to empty house and Sherri's car in driveway
(Time unknown) Husband calls daycare
(Time unknown) Husband tracks Sherri's phone with app
(Time unknown) Husband locates Sherri's phone on side of road at Old Oregon Trail and Sunrise Drive intersection
5:51 PM Husband reports Sherri missing

 

[caligirl1992]

Oh no! Ha ha. That's a lot. Thanks for the effort! You never know what you can find.



I'm going to try to start a list of unsolved dead and missing NorCal women if anyone would like to add:

9/93 - Jennifer Wilmer, 21. Missing out of Humboldt County. http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/807dfca.html
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/12190/0

11/97 - Karen Mitchell, 16. Humboldt County missing. http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/mitchell_karen.html

11/08 - Christine Walters, 23. Humboldt County missing. https://missingpersonsofamerica.com...-lindsey-walters-missing-since-november-2008/
http://www.truecrimecalifornia.com/california-vanishing-christine-walters-2008/

2/14 - Sheila Franks, 37. This gal went missing in Humboldt County and her boyfriend is a POI in hers and another woman's disappearance: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/franks_sheila.html

2/14 - Danielle Bertolini, 23. This is the other gal missing from Humboldt County, linked to the same man. Sadly, her remains were found: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/remains-found-in-california-river-idd-as-long-missing-woman/
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct...gZ4V7qv5hTB_z_3V0UxmShMg&ust=1479157458984956

10/16 - Stacey Smart, 51. This lady went missing in Trinity County in October. Sadly, not much press like there is with Sherri:
http://www.trinityjournal.com/news/local/article_24211d58-a535-11e6-8bc5-6fa436699999.html
http://www.krcrtv.com/north-coast-n...heriffs-investigating-missing-woman/145842148
LINK TO PHOTO IN THUMBNAIL.

Tera Smith, 16 - missing since August 22 1998 from Redding CA

Heather Cameron, 28 - missing since August 8 2012 from Redding CA

 

[Knox]

What do we know about the guy who was kicked off the search party, other than he lied about knowing Sherri and her family and was acting strange? Strange enough that when he came back yesterday, someone reported it to LE? Anyone know who he is? I think something is up with this guy.

http://www.co.shasta.ca.us/docs/Sheriff/daily-logs/11-12-2016.pdf?sfvrsn=2

Page 19-20.

How about page 14, last entry. That location is 3.2 miles from Sherri's home, and looks like it can be accessed using all back roads. There is a business listed nearby, on Google maps. If you search the business name, you'll see who the owners are. If you search that name, you will find an obit (not local). One of the names listed on the obit, is a local RSO. His name also comes up on a RPD press release from 3/30/16 this year. What a rabbit hole I went down. Such is the life of a WSer. Never know what tip might break a case.

 

[yupikgirl]

Hi everyone. I saw this forum mentioned on The Redding crime Facebook page and have been following Sherri's case through local media.

Something that I've thought about a lot is her husbands employer- Best Buy- its a huge drug hub. Buying, selling, trading. Meeting at the church next door for deals etc. I heard that her husband was an installer. Does anyone know if he a home installer or did he work in the back for vehicle installing?

I ask because my sister worked Geek Squad and died of an overdose back in Aug. By going through her phone we found her supplier, a co-worker from the install dept.( NOT Keith just to make that clear) but we've learned a lot about Best Buy since her death. We've called corporate to report what we know...

It concerns me because addicts will do anything for the next fix. Did a co-worker know of something in their house that they could steal and sell? Money stashed? Maybe they didn't expect Sherri to be home?

It's another reason that her phone could have been tossed like it was. Best Buy employees would know about technology and how her husband could have tracked it.


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First of all so sorry about your sister.

Second- what?!?!? Gheesh the things you learn here- never thought Best Buy employees were doing that!

And welcome to the forum


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[gitana1]

The comments are very informative.

http://people.com/crime/missing-sherri-papini-update-husband-keith-interview/

Did you find something interesting? I saw a lot of people suspecting the husband "doesn't add up" comments. But he has been cleared. And people arguing that this was offensive.

I did see a truly offensive comment though by a jerk saying she was chained in a basement "having the time of her life".

And like everything else in this case I am going back and forth! Why is the SCSO being so secretive? I would like to think it is not how they normally operate and that there is something about this case that compels them to be so. I really think the family knows more than they are saying and that it is not about SP's mental health or being voluntarily missing. I DO think she was abducted and is in danger but is it a stranger or somebody known to them? Yes the families appear to be well off hence my speculation of ransom. But maybe retaliation? Something else?
At first her earbuds being found with the hairs attached made me think of that young girl abducted in Florida I believe whose father was LE and who made some failed 911 calls. She left a bunch of clues in the car including pulling strands of her hair out and leaving them on the seat to let LE know she was there. It is said that SP was very situationally aware and savvy so that made me think that she left her phone and earbuds with hair on purpose to send a signal. Also the chequebook, could she have picked it up as mail from the community mailbox after her run? Maybe she got close to home and somebody had been following her as she finished her run and she made a last stop to the mailbox before heading home. I keep the key to the mailbox attached with my house key. She could have been surprised at or near the mailbox as she picked up the envelope with ordered cheques and dropped them to send another clue if the cheques found were really hers. Same with any other items found. But the SCSO is not commenting on anything found so who knows.

It is the opposite of normal to comment. LE not commenting is typical. In every case on websleuths where LE is typically tight lipped, I hear posters getting very irate and coming to all sorts of conclusions about ths case as a result. But the fact is, LE know how to do their job usually and are doing it. They have all the information. We have none. As a result of the evidence they have, they are investigating various angles that we aren't privy to. And this is for a very good reason: They don't want to compromise their investigation.

While sleuthers come up with great things, we are not investigators. And dumping their sensitive evidence on a curious and unprofessional public would be insane and destructive.

I do think, though, that they need to make statements about these cases, often. Even if it is just to say, "Thank you so much for all the tips. We are investigating everything thoroughly. We continue to work hard to bring this lady home and appreciate any information and help the public can give."

Yes, it does seem that anything is possible and nothing is impossible. The more cases I've followed on WS, the less I trust the limited evidence we are given...

Sightings by witnesses--Hannah Thomas Garner was "seen" in FL while in CA.

Husband has alibi--Mark Sievers.

No signs point to suicide--Leanne Bearden (depression revealed after she was found).

Wouldn't leave kids--Michelle Martens of ABQ let her daughter be sexually abused and murdered. Had apparently been a good mother up to that point. If a seemingly good mother will do such a despicable things to her child, other good mothers are capable of leaving them. Plenty do. My own very privileged grandmother abandoned my mother (6 months old) and her sister (age 3) in 1912.

K9 Tracking--Teleka Patrick was tracked in the opposite direction of where she was eventually found. We never know how accurate a dog is.

Grid searches--Noah Chamberlin was found in an area previously searched.

Probable abduction--Ruth Maze apparently faked her own abduction. I will say that based on items found tossed in Whitney Heichel's case, the phone probably points to abduction. But there may be a case in which found items mean something different. Perhaps someone else remembers one.

I'm sure there are more categories and examples, but I think this is enough to make clear that nothing is impossible and everything is possible...based on the limited evidence we have. I'm not suggesting one scenario over another in this list, although I do think abduction is most likely, based on the phone.

JMO

In many cases there are false sightings from far areas. The sightings in this case differ as these were very local people, some who may have known her, who reportedly saw her the very day she was missing.

Mark Sievers was not cleared. He may have had an alibi but LE knew he was their man and was investigating him hard. They did not say he passed a poly.

What do we know about the guy who was kicked off the search party, other than he lied about knowing Sherri and her family and was acting strange? Strange enough that when he came back yesterday, someone reported it to LE? Anyone know who he is? I think something is up with this guy.

http://www.co.shasta.ca.us/docs/Sheriff/daily-logs/11-12-2016.pdf?sfvrsn=2

Page 19-20.

Whoa! Great sleuthing! Does it say that he is an RSO? Who claims falsely to know the family? Man.

Read the replies in this tweet. [video=twitter;795077883232301056]https://www.twitter.com/FindSherri/status/795077883232301056[/video]. =O

Ooh! More good sleuthing! You're on fire.

How about page 14, last entry. That location is 3.2 miles from Sherri's home, and looks like it can be accessed using all back roads. There is a business listed nearby, on Google maps. If you search the business name, you'll see who the owners are. If you search that name, you will find an obit (not local). One of the names listed on the obit, is a local RSO. His name also comes up on a RPD press release from 3/30/16 this year. What a rabbit hole I went down. Such is the life of a WSer. Never know what tip might break a case.

And another! Wow. Scary!

 

[gitana1]

If I were the family I would try to make public statements routinely asking for help, mercy, and doing whatever I could to make any possible perp come forward. I would talk about her a lot, share photos, videos, and anecdotes about who she is and how her kids miss her. About her loving personality. Etc.

 

[snowboots]

11/2/16
10:37 AM Texts husband asking if he'll be home for lunch
11:00 AM-ish Possibly seen by tree cutters
1:39 PM Husband responds to text that he won't be home for lunch
2:00 PM-ish (exact time unknown) Sherri is possibly seen walking/jogging in the area near Sunrise Drive and Sundust Road
5:00 - 6:00 PM-ish (exact time unknown) Husband returns home to empty house and Sherri's car in driveway
(Time unknown) Husband calls daycare
(Time unknown) Husband tracks Sherri's phone with app
(Time unknown) Husband locates Sherri's phone on side of road at Old Oregon Trail and Sunrise Drive intersection
5:51 PM Husband reports Sherri missing

So he didn't call/text her after he got home? He called the daycare first then went straight to using the app?

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

So he didn't call/text her after he got home? He called the daycare first then went straight to using the app?

At a later interview he said he did try texting her after getting home, when she didn't reply he used find my phone app.

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[LaBellaV]

What is known about page 23 and 24 where it states that 2 subjects were seen carrying a body?

http://www.co.shasta.ca.us/docs/Sheriff/daily-logs/11-12-2016.pdf?sfvrsn=2

 

[suzyjackson]

At a later interview he said he did try texting her after getting home, when she didn't reply he used find my phone app.

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I've missed that one, thank you, but who sends a text when urgently trying to contact them? That is a red falg for me if true, imo you wouldn't go from text straight to findmyiphone without trying to call the phone inbetween.

To me an iphone is an expensive phone to have if there are any kind of money troubles, it might be nothing but imo it is another slightly incongrous feature

 

[Blythe]

What I would like to know most is the time that SP typically picked up her children. Her sister said that she usually jogged after picking them up, IIRC. I'd also like to know if she had mentioned coming in later or said anything to the staff that day.

Otherwise, the only concrete information is that the husband came home to the car in the driveway and no one home. He found the cellphone and earphones easily and nearby together within plain view using a find my phone app. The two communicated by 2 separate, individual text messages during the day. Neighbors and or workers spotted her alone at 2 separate occasions during the day, approximately 11:00 am and 2:00 pm.

Am I missing something?

No wonder sleuthers are weighing (literally sometimes) every little utterance, "pin" and photo.

 

[creepcrusher]

I've missed that one, thank you, but who sends a text when urgently trying to contact them? That is a red falg for me if true, imo you wouldn't go from text straight to findmyiphone without trying to call the phone inbetween.

To me an iphone is an expensive phone to have if there are any kind of money troubles, it might be nothing but imo it is another slightly incongrous feature

He wasn't urgently trying to contact her at first. Until he found out she hadn't picked up the kids, and then tracked her phone. KP has been cleared by LE. Can we move on from speculating that he's guilty?


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[broadviewren]

To me an iphone is an expensive phone to have if there are any kind of money troubles, it might be nothing but imo it is another slightly incongrous feature

She had worked at AT&T, so perhaps got a good deal on the phone. Even if she didn't get with an employee discount, there are lots of good deals out there on iPhones, you just have to shop around a bit. (For instance I just got a 2-for-1 deal in the mail today.)

And, used or older model ones can be gotten quite inexpensively (relatively speaking).

 

[daisyaim33]

Hello all, new to this, and not sure if its been covered already.. but it seems that the kids where in daycare for a period of time during the day, so she could get some things done. But also states, that hubby returned home each day with members of family greeting him. Leading one to believe maybe she dropped them off in morning, and picked up early afternoon maybe possibly later afternoon. My question is, why did daycare not contact hubby about a no show? Not sure how it works with their child care provider, however mine had my number, hubby number, and relatives number. On their paperwork, it stated if you did not show within one hour of pick up, they would reach every contact on the list, if still no show by closing, they would call the police to take the children or possibly DYFS.. I just find it odd that daycare was not calling hubby as a contact with the children not picked up... I am not sure what could explain that.. but it does seem odd to me. I know Keith has been cleared.. but still seems off.. or at the very least careless by provider

 

[caligirl1992]

Shasta College isn't far from where Sherri's phone was found

http://www.krcrtv.com/news/crime/sh..._medium=social&utm_source=KRCR_News_Channel_7

 

[suzyjackson]

He wasn't urgently trying to contact her at first. Until he found out she hadn't picked up the kids, and then tracked her phone. KP has been cleared by LE. Can we move on from speculating that he's guilty?


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I wasn't speculating he was guilty at all I was saying that in my opinion there is something off about not trying to call someone to find out where they are, maybe KP has reason to think that Sherri has run away and wanted to see where she was without alerting her to the fact that he was checking up in case he spooked her in some way or perhaps he knew she was feeling down and was worried about her mental state.

IMO it's not logical to send a text, get no reply, ring the daycare and find out the children haven't been collected and NOT then straight away call your wife to see if she's OK

 

[creepcrusher]

Hello all, new to this, and not sure if its been covered already.. but it seems that the kids where in daycare for a period of time during the day, so she could get some things done. But also states, that hubby returned home each day with members of family greeting him. Leading one to believe maybe she dropped them off in morning, and picked up early afternoon maybe possibly later afternoon. My question is, why did daycare not contact hubby about a no show? Not sure how it works with their child care provider, however mine had my number, hubby number, and relatives number. On their paperwork, it stated if you did not show within one hour of pick up, they would reach every contact on the list, if still no show by closing, they would call the police to take the children or possibly DYFS.. I just find it odd that daycare was not calling hubby as a contact with the children not picked up... I am not sure what could explain that.. but it does seem odd to me. I know Keith has been cleared.. but still seems off.. or at the very least careless by provider

I used to work at a daycare and we were so busy with kids that we didn't really notice or call anyone about picking up their kids unless it was after closing and kids were still there. If the daycare was still open, we didn't think anything of it.


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[FindHG]

Hey all, joining here. Thank you, sleuthers, tough to read about.

 

[cluciano63]

Would you lock doors/windows if you were say, taking a nap ? Or a bath ?

Doors yes...my windows are open about six inches, then locked in that position

 

[caligirl1992]

I wasn't speculating he was guilty at all I was saying that in my opinion there is something off about not trying to call someone to find out where they are, maybe KP has reason to think that Sherri has run away and wanted to see where she was without alerting her to the fact that he was checking up in case he spooked her in some way or perhaps he knew she was feeling down and was worried about her mental state.

IMO it's not logical to send a text, get no reply, ring the daycare and find out the children haven't been collected and NOT then straight away call your wife to see if she's OK

Maybe they rarely spoke on the phone. Personally, I HATE talking on the phone. I would probably try to text first also then call if no response. We also don't know for sure that he didn't try to call. Several of the MSM articles stated that "he called around, and found out the kids hadn't been picked up from day care" So that could mean he did try to call her, he got no answer, so he called the day care to find out what time she picked up the kids. He found out she hadn't picked them up, coupled with the fact that she didn't answer his text and/or call, so that sent him into a sheer panic because that was certainly not like her, so he did the find my iphone app to try to locate her. Maybe at first he believed she had gotten hurt jogging.