Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #13 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

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She must have had two iSomethings at that moment to facetime herself , pretty confident you can't do it across platforms, and as discussed iphones and ipods show as "iphone" when uploaded to twitter.

Is there any MSM links about the dog's spending time in the neighbours yard? I can only find reference to that at a dodgy site, but recall someone mentioning it many threads ago. Wondering if that could be the fenced off area that is part of no.18. or if it is somewhere else.
 
SmoothOperator said:
I haven't a clue what Sierra did for a fact.. None of us do.. We have small amounts of info from which we can attempt to piece together and draw logical conclusions..theorizing.. Some IMO work for me some don't..what works for me or makes best sense for me certainly may not make sense to another.. And that is absolutely ok.. That's what its about discussing all angles.. We each are free to do so..

As far as my making assumptions.. Well.. That's exactly what is done in theorizing when we have very small amounts of info to work with.. They are assumptions.. They are theories And in no way, shape, or form do I claim them to be fact and the way it all happened.. My theories are no more right than the next guy's/gal's.. Nor are my theories no more wrong than the next guy's/guy's.. To each their own and I appreciate everyone's opinions and theories and believe that it's exactly this type of theorizing and discussion that this forum is all about..

I have no need to have everyone agree with one/all/any of my theories in a case(in fact it'd be rather boring if that were the case;)).. In discussing particular issues(cell phone for example) I simply post what at that moment with what info available are the logical conclusions that I personally came to.. Does that involve assumptions..of course it does..

I didn't post my thoughts and opinions on the cell phone issue to state them as fact, nor to persuade everyone to see it "my way" and agree with me.. They are nothing more than just that.. My own personal thoughts, opinions, and theories based upon what little information is available at that time.. If that possibly helps another member with the info or theory I've proposed.. That's great.. If it doesn't or other members strongly disagree then hopefully it brings about fruitful discussions of those details or info that we may see differently.. I am just as likely to have my eyes opened in seeing another members point of view about a specific issue or detail in which could send me theorizing in a totally different and possibly even totally opposite direction.. IMO that is what it's all about.. And just maybe one of us see something, find something that could even in some small way help to find Sierra and bring her home..

That's what I'm here for.. I appreciate all members ideas, thoughts, and theories and I believe we all have something to gain and learn from each other.. My posts are not meant in any way to be "RIGHT".. My posts are of no more value than any others on here, nor are they of any less value than any others on here.. When I state they are IMO, moo, jmo, IMOO, etc.. That's exactly what I mean; they aren't stated nor implied to be fact and shouldn't be taken as such.. I attempt to make my posts clear that they are my personal thoughts and views AT THAT TIME given what info is available and absolutely are subject to change a little, a lot, or even a whole helluva a lot dependant on what new info is brought to light..

Share and share alike.. We can all learn from one another IMO..:)


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All the posts I've read from you are awesome and logical, considerate and well thought out.
 
Sjsleuth83 said:
Great post SmoothOperator, and I tend to agree with most of what you said.

Im still wondering about that pic of her "facetiming" herself. It appears to me that she's holding an iPhone/iPod in the one hand, and that the screen was captured with the other device.

But then the picture was uploaded "via iPhone". So it makes you wonder was the other device also an iPhone/iPod, or did she send it to her friend and then upload it?

Just something to think about. Im pretty sure the phone situation is nothing, but it is interesting how her posting methods differ in certain situations.

I dont have the time or means to really look further, but I think looking back, someone could determine if there were any days should might have skipped school or posted tweets from others' devices. I hope LE is using some of their resources to look at that angle.
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I saw it as her being goofy by "Facetiming" herself using her phone and the computer, which can be done.
 
Sjsleuth83 said:
Great post SmoothOperator, and I tend to agree with most of what you said.

Im still wondering about that pic of her "facetiming" herself. It appears to me that she's holding an iPhone/iPod in the one hand, and that the screen was captured with the other device.

But then the picture was uploaded "via iPhone". So it makes you wonder was the other device also an iPhone/iPod, or did she send it to her friend and then upload it?

Just something to think about. Im pretty sure the phone situation is nothing, but it is interesting how her posting methods differ in certain situations.

I dont have the time or means to really look further, but I think looking back, someone could determine if there were any days should might have skipped school or posted tweets from others' devices. I hope LE is using some of their resources to look at that angle.
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Hi all, don't post often but I do hit the "Thanks" button alot :p. I'm not quite caught up here, but my son told me that with the new Ipod touches, if you hold the "lock" button and the "home" button at the same time, it takes a picture of what is on the screen at the time (when using facetime). I hope I explained it correctly.
 
GrainneDhu, I think you are judging this kidnapper/abductor correctly. He wouldn't want to spend time waiting for the moment when a left turn on Bailey would be safe. iClone can tell us for a cert but I think the Sta. Teresa-Hale intersection is controlled. Bailey looks to be rather a big deal, all along its extent, with serious engineering. Even turning left on Fisher-Laguna would present problems. He was already way over to the right side of Sta. Teresa or on the dirt dead end when he discarded the book & bag. Then he would have had to immediately maneuver into the left lane or what passes for one to head toward Calero from Sta. Teresa. Not impossible but awkward and likely to draw attention. He may have simply hewed to his inclination to stay to the right, avoiding all left turns. Of course, it may have been an actual plan.
 
Just trying to work this out logically with the facetiming herself... One device was an iphone or ipod touch as we see it in the picture in her hand and we know that facetime is for Apple products only.

The photo was taken from the other device as it shows her in the top right hand corner as seen from the ipod/ iphone.

Look at the bottom of the photo- there's a 'mute' symbol, 'end' and 'reverse camera' symbol. This is the layout you see on an iphone or ipod and different to what you see on a Mac laptop- well here anyway... Also IF she took a screenshot from the laptop she would have to edit it to the shape it was (ie portrait) to post it.

Therefore I believe she has a friends iphone/ ipod touch and her own iphone/ ipod touch.

As for speculation on if the family could afford to replace her phone and such if she wanted an upgrade, pretended to lose it etc... She is 15 and had an ipod, a smart phone, and a MacBook which are far more expensive than a standard laptop (once again- where I am from- I could be wrong). And she seems to have very little appreciation for the Macbook. Which I can't understand as Mac's are AWESOME
 
Tuba said:
GrainneDhu, I think you are judging this kidnapper/abductor correctly. He wouldn't want to spend time waiting for the moment when a left turn on Bailey would be safe. iClone can tell us for a cert but I think the Sta. Teresa-Hale intersection is controlled. Bailey looks to be rather a big deal, all along its extent, with serious engineering. Even turning left on Fisher-Laguna would present problems. He was already way over to the right side of Sta. Teresa or on the dirt dead end when he discarded the book & bag. Then he would have had to immediately maneuver into the left lane or what passes for one to head toward Calero from Sta. Teresa. Not impossible but awkward and likely to draw attention. He may have simply hewed to his inclination to stay to the right, avoiding all left turns. Of course, it may have been an actual plan.
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the intersection at Santa Teresa and Bailey does have controlled lights for left turns.
 
iCLone- since you are local, let me ask you-(bringing over a question I asked on previous theard)
I was wondering if have you ever heard of the Morgan Hill PWS(Psycho Wicked Surenas)- Gilroy 8th St and if they are still active in the area?? Have you heard of specific, or rumored,gang activity in the Morgan Hill/Gilroy area?
 
What side of the street was SL’s phone found, in relation to the direction of a traveling car? Was it found on the right side of the street to indicate it was thrown out of the passenger side window or the left side of the street to indicate it was thrown from the driver’s side window?

Same for the bag...(I know it was a found on a different street and it may have NOT have been thrown, but placed.) Was it found on the same side of the street as the phone, as to indicate it was thrown from driver’s side or passenger side?

The reason I’m asking is because when I heard about the phone and then the bag being found, I looked at the map that was provided on the news that showed the vital locations of her house, her bus stop and then where her phone and bag were found. Link below.

http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&h...w=164&start=0&ndsp=28&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0,i:78


When I also heard that the dogs lost her scent at the driveway, I pictured that the perp confronted SL in her house or at her driveway, then incompacitated her in some way (taser is what i imagined), got her in a vehicle and drove off quickly away from her house,westbound and then eventually traveling northbound. At one point, the phone was thrown (or seemingly so) from the car. Was it thrown out by the driver via the driver’s side window (where it would have been found on the left side of the street in relation to car travel direction) or was it found on the right side of the street, where it would seem it was thrown out of the passenger side window (meaning the window would have had to been down). Of course it could have been thrown out of the driver’s side window, but chucked across the vehicle to land on the right side of the street, but that takes a little more imagination and, if in a hurry, doesn’t make sense. It could also be said that the perp told SL to throw the phone out of the window, meaning it would have been found on the right side of the street, but this person driving and controlling a fully conscious SL does not make sense at all to me.

To me, it seemed that, along the way, a few minutes later, the bag was then thrown out to get rid of anything that SL had with her during the abduction. Maybe it was harder to get a hold of because it was around her or under her, etc. It seems SL would be incompacitated in some way, because how can you drive a car and manage to get a hold of her things and throw them out if she is completely coherent and has all of her wits about her.

Do the two pieces of solid evidence that were found match up in terms of being found on the same side of the street, if orientation was based on the direction of travel by the vehicle, to indicate that both things were thrown out of the car by the abductor to get rid of SL’s stuff?

I know that there is some talk that the bag was placed and that just completely threw off the scenario in my head because I pictured it being thrown on the way out of dodge! Do you think it could have been thrown, but landed in a way that it looked placed?

I think some of the scenario I had about this seeming abduction is because I’ve read of the account of how the kidnapper of Jaycee Dugard got away with it. He used a taser on her and once he had her (although he had his wife’s help) he said that he couldn’t believe it worked and he actually succeeded in getting her.

I picture that happening in this case. It actually worked, she was taken and why wouldn’t he (I’m assuming he) do everything he could to get away fast and leave her stuff behind?
 
A few weeks ago, a lot of people here were saying they felt confident this case would be solved, Sierra would be found...wondering if that is still such a strong feeling?

(I seldom have that feeling...hope the best of course, but I am more surprised, lately, when people are found...)

JMO
 
cluciano63 said:
A few weeks ago, a lot of people here were saying they felt confident this case would be solved, Sierra would be found...wondering if that is still such a strong feeling?

(I seldom have that feeling...hope the best of course, but I am more surprised, lately, when people are found...)

JMO
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I feel confident that the leads, tips and info that the LE have will soon bring some answers. I think there are so many people out there angry and sickened that this has happened again, including this membership on WS and as a result everyone is putting in their own theories or tips to LE. I also have a strange feeling they know more, but are keeping it quiet for a reason. Somehow, somewhere this case will and has to be solved. Enough is enough!
 
The items were all found on the right side of the road as a vehicle travels northbound.
There was a lot of discussion about throwing the phone over the lid in terms of strength, agility and aim. Of course, if there were two perpetrators, those qualities are moot. My own belief is that the books and bag were put between the cactus and the metal shed. I think I need to look again at the dead end dirt road.
 
JTribley said:
I feel confident that the leads, tips and info that the LE have will soon bring some answers. I think there are so many people out there angry and sickened that this has happened again, including this membership on WS and as a result everyone is putting in their own theories or tips to LE. I also have a strange feeling they know more, but are keeping it quiet for a reason. Somehow, somewhere this case will and has to be solved. Enough is enough!
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Totally agree. I think they know a lot more and are keeping quiet for some reason, as well.
 
The searches are mainly focused on public areas, but we were told if something seemed interesting to ask the property owner for permission to search. Take down their info and another team would come another time and search.

iClone sounds like we live in the same area :) Welcome.

Once you get past the left turn light on Bailey, it is a winding road til you hit Calero reservoir. There is a stop sign up there at McKean. Bailey in that area is actually more winding than it looks on google maps.
 
Tuba said:
The items were all found on the right side of the road as a vehicle travels northbound.
There was a lot of discussion about throwing the phone over the lid in terms of strength, agility and aim. Of course, if there were two perpetrators, those qualities are moot. My own belief is that the books and bag were put between the cactus and the metal shed. I think I need to look again at the dead end dirt road.
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Throwing the phone over the lid of what?
 
Tuba said:
The items were all found on the right side of the road as a vehicle travels northbound.
There was a lot of discussion about throwing the phone over the lid in terms of strength, agility and aim. Of course, if there were two perpetrators, those qualities are moot. My own belief is that the books and bag were put between the cactus and the metal shed. I think I need to look again at the dead end dirt road.
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which dead end dirt road? After being there where the bag was found, I still stand by my belief that they had to have been placed there... throwing into that spot does not seem like an option. I also have thought that she may have been told to throw her phone out of the window.
 
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