Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #14 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[TxLady2]

In Holly's case, they had an eye witness and LE arrived within x10 min. of the crime. They confirmed nothing. That case made no sense at all. They even had Holly's blood. They very likely had DNA/evidence from perp too if the perp was there for at least 20 min.

Barney Fife could have solved that one.

Can you explain why it hasn't been solved then??

DNA evidence isn't much good if they have nothing to compare it to.

 

[houndstooth]

Did it seem odd to anyone else that this interview was conducted while everyone was standing outside in the dark? Why didn't Sierra's mom invite the sheriff and the cameraman inside for this interview? Weird!
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/46832709#46832709

Not really. The investigators arrived the night before and were evidently still on scene. Note flashing light on police car.

I find this a handy guide when watching someone with roving eyes.
Danielle and Steve are straightforward in their gaze.

http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies_eyes.php

It shows six cardinal eye directions when looking at someone from your perspective.

Since Marlene appears hangdog and unable to "face" the camera, and with eyes shifting, we need to try to understand what is going on.
That she is evasive in her responses, there can be no doubt.

There is a reason why "shifty eyes" is universally associated with someone who is "up to something".

 

[TxLady2]

Yes, that is true. But what I was saying is if the RSO had not committed a crime since they began extracting DNA samples from offenders, that perhaps some of the people had never been obligated to provide such a sample. This would tend to agree with the police having a sample and assuming it comes from a RSO, therefore the sudden push to locate and arrest them.

Even though the news article said the RSO arrests had nothing to do with the case, the article I read had a misleading title. It was odd. I kept thinking of that famous Shakespearean quote, " The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

It may not have anything to do with the case, unless and until something comes back from the lab that matches one of them. At this point, they can't make statements regarding their arrests being connected until they have the proof that it is. They will usually say it's not connected because technically, without the evidence, it isn't. Yet.

 

[nutkin]

Sometimes it is years before DNA is entered into CODIS. Sometimes it is never entered at all. Some states only enter into their own private databases. Relying on DNA compared to some database to solve a crime just isn't reality the majority of the time. Generally, DNA comparisons are only useful when there is a suspect in mind that can be easily and quickly compared.

 

[TxLady2]

Not really. The investigators arrived the night before and were evidently still on scene. Note flashing light on police car.

I find this a handy guide when watching someone with roving eyes.
Danielle and Steve are straightforward in their gaze.

http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies_eyes.php

It shows six cardinal eye directions when looking at someone from your perspective.

Since Marlene appears hangdog and unable to "face" the camera, and with eyes shifting, we need to try to understand what is going on.
That she is evasive in her responses, there can be no doubt.

There is a reason why "shifty eyes" is universally associated with someone who is "up to something".

You didn't notice that Steve had shifty eyes too? His eyes were constantly darting back and forth, plus he seemed to be either bouncing on his feet or shrugging his shoulders a lot. Marlene just looked tired to me.
But what do I know?

 

[houndstooth]

You didn't notice that Steve had shifty eyes too? His eyes were constantly darting back and forth, plus he seemed to be either bouncing on his feet or shrugging his shoulders a lot. Marlene just looked tired to me.
But what do I know?

The left direction darts is auditory processing.
When he is directly asked to answer a question, not once does he
look up and to the left or right.

He looks to the side to process the question, then answers straight forward.
He does not look down when answering either.

The darting to the right, is obviously to glance at Marlene as she says certain things.
Danielle does this also.

 

[yodle]

All this 'gazing' info is interesting, and normally I agree with it, but these people are looking at a CAMERA, not a human. Plus they probably have earphones in their ears. You can see the same sort of weirdness in any interview with an uninitiated person speaking to 'nobody' for the first time. It would feel really strange to stare down the camera - people are trained to do that.

 

[JDB]

Please remind me all. If anything ever happens to one of my family members NEVER go in front of a camera ever. Until we walk in these people shoes I don't think any of us has any clue what to look for as far as eye movement or body language.
Gawd this brings back sorid memories of all the trash talk that when on during Laci Peterson case. :truce:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Something that has been brought up and discussed several times throughout Sierras case is the family dynamic.. Many of us have seen that there are indications of specifically Steve and Danielle being somewhat on a different page than Marlene(and possibly Rick as well.). Where Ricks concerned Its very hard to gauge if they're a "team" as in strongly connected and got each others back.. Or not really and more so just Marlene stands alone.. But regardless it does appear to be that ATLEAST as far as Steve, Danielle, and Marlene goes that Marlene is on a very different page from Danielle and Steve..

IMO so much lies within Danielle and Steve(and even Marlene tho IMO it appears very much as tho Marlene tends to turn a blind eye to many things.) why and to what extent do I believe she turns a blind eye?? To what extent I haven't a clue but one of many reasons for doing so is that it's the path of least resistance, easier.. I believe that it's exactly this turning of a blind eye that we've seen in Marlene where Sierra's very deep and wide spread roots throughout social media are concerned.. Marlene certainly isnt the first parent that's not kept a watchful eye out and she won't be the last.. I'm not here to decide what caliber of a parent Marlene has been to her daughters but I do however feel that it is these type details and issues that are very much relevant and a part of this case and investigation..

IMO Steve and Danielle have some very real opinions about what they think could possibly have happened and some opinions on who possibly could have involvement with what's occurred to their daughter/sister.. And tho, IMO I do believe the divide was there even prior to Sierra's disappearance however IMO that divide has become more definite, if not even further apart regarding Steve/Danielle.. Apart from Marlene/(possibly Rick as well).. Again with Rick being completely absent we don't know if it's Rick/Marlene on the same page together.. Or is it just Marlene on a page of her own apart form where Danielle and Steve are..

This video from the Today show just further captures this divide of which I speak of regarding Steve/Danielle apart from Marlene.. http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/46832709#46832709
It's so very in your face.. With IMO Steve/Danielle so very much wanting to ensure "true" info and details are relayed to the media.. Yet IMO so very concerned to not turn this already traumatic and rippling event Into something even more troubling...dramatic.. Side-showish.. I believe you see these two wanting to keep a united front of Sierra's family even tho, that Steve/Danielle are not at all united with Marlene on what she's stating as facts, details, information.. Nor united with the blind eye that Marlene may be turning about certain people or subjects that possibly Steve and Danielle see is NOT IN SIERRAS BEST INTEREST as far as finding the truth, finding her and who has done this to her..

Before anyone assumes I'm speaking specifically of Rick being involved.. I am not naming any names, nor pointing to anyone specifically at all.. I believe that it could be people who are known and/or associated through Rick, his work, his acquaintances, someone he's done any type of business with whatsoever, buying/renting from, etc..etc.. The list goes on and on its endless..IMO I believe it's possible that Marlene could be again turning a blind eye to certain things, issues, details, subjects, people. Things that would be difficult to even discuss, or think about.. Any or all of those and looking into those could cause friction in her relationship, possibly.. Regardless of the who/what specifically my point is that I believe it's possible that this is how Marlene copes with life, especially matters that are difficult, or uncomfortable.. And certainly ones that could cause a negative impact on her, or her relationship.. I can see that she may just choose to turn a blind eye.. That's jmo.. I'm not claiming that to be written in stone fact but IMO I see it as very likely part of what is the cause for Steve/Danielle to be on a completely different page than Marlene or Marlene/Rick..

As far as the video I do believe some discussed it again in the last thread and I just cannot stress enough how much I agree with those opinions about the obvious difference, distance, and totally different views on the evidence.. The eyes are extremely telling of exactly how much of a divide there is.. Along with what was most telling IMO was that moo Danielle/Steve weren't empathic to Marlene's crying.. I believe for me that was most telling and that there is a huge, huge difference in views as to what they believe may have happened to Sierra..jmo..

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:goodpost::goodpost: And I totally agree, Smooth !

:moo::moo::moo:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Not really. The investigators arrived the night before and were evidently still on scene. Note flashing light on police car.

I find this a handy guide when watching someone with roving eyes.
Danielle and Steve are straightforward in their gaze.

http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies_eyes.php

It shows six cardinal eye directions when looking at someone from your perspective.

Since Marlene appears hangdog and unable to "face" the camera, and with eyes shifting, we need to try to understand what is going on.
That she is evasive in her responses, there can be no doubt.

There is a reason why "shifty eyes" is universally associated with someone who is "up to something".

:seeya: Very Interesting ... and Thanks for sharing this ...

It is a FACT that "Profilers" look at the "body language" as well as they "analyze the statements" of any and all family members, friends, neighbors, etc. ...

And not to sound like a "conspiracy theoriest" : and JMO, but you can bet that they study "roving eyes" and "body language" at Quantico and at the CIA and USE it in their investigations !

And again JMO ... but sometimes the "eyes" and "body movements" speak volumes ...

:moo::moo::moo:

 

[Mendara]

I am still concerned about SL's tweet about her father and sister agreeing that "he is creepy" or something like that. As if she had a suspicion about someone close to them "him" not being named and then her dad and sister agreeing that she was right and SL even says she was glad they saw the same thing. Who is he? also the tweet about how she should have run away BEFORE moving to MOrgan Hill an how stupid she was for not doing it.

 

[AlexLouise44]

I just took a look at her tumblr. WOW is all I can say right now. She has a ton of references to marijuana and drugs. At 15 years of age (I'm only 23 right now so it wasn't too long ago...well kind of!) I NEVER would have posted something like that on my myspace (which was VERY popular at the time). First of all, only people who used drugs would post something like and second of all I would be terrified my parents would see it and I'd get grounded. It concerns me to see so many different images of marijuana. It definitely tells me a bit more about her character....

jmo.

 

[Cottontop]

I just took a look at her tumblr. WOW is all I can say right now. She has a ton of references to marijuana and drugs. At 15 years of age (I'm only 23 right now so it wasn't too long ago...well kind of!) I NEVER would have posted something like that on my myspace (which was VERY popular at the time). First of all, only people who used drugs would post something like and second of all I would be terrified my parents would see it and I'd get grounded. It concerns me to see so many different images of marijuana. It definitely tells me a bit more about her character....

jmo.

I thought the same thing when I first saw it, but now I see it differently. She's 15 and in some ways I see all of this as a front, a persona that she is creating online. It's her way of being creative and expressing herself and although bold and way beyond her years, I think that at 15, her character hasn't been fully developed yet. Some of this she will come to regret, but that's how we grow and mature and, hopefully, learn from our mistakes.

 

[Sjsleuth83]

:seeya: Very Interesting ... and Thanks for sharing this ...

It is a FACT that "Profilers" look at the "body language" as well as they "analyze the statements" of any and all family members, friends, neighbors, etc. ...

And not to sound like a "conspiracy theoriest" : and JMO, but you can bet that they study "roving eyes" and "body language" at Quantico and at the CIA and USE it in their investigations !

And again JMO ... but sometimes the "eyes" and "body movements" speak volumes ...

:moo::moo::moo:

Have you ever wateched 'Lie to Me'? Its on Netflix streaming. I know its probably glorified for Tv, but that would be one of the coolest jobs ever.

 

[jstwondering]

I am not at all familiar with the area and my skills with Google Maps leads me to believe the little orange man is taunting me by not doing what I want.

So... in that area, are there no bodies of water crossed by bridges?

In my area, one of the easiest ways to dispose of a body would be to drop it off a bridge, probably at night. That has the added benefit of tending to wash away trace evidence and there's always a chance that it may fetch up somewhere that it isn't found.

Respectfully BBM. Agreed.
Not long ago, in the Bay area which shares news stations with Morgan Hill, it was pretty big news about the speed freak killers who dumped many of their victims down wells on uninhabited farm land. They (the killers and the victims) went undetected for years. The only reason that they ever found some of the bodies is that Leonard Padilla offered to give one of the perps money in an account so that he could buy candy bars. Sadly, I think evil people are realizing that it really isn't that hard to hide a body.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Did it seem odd to anyone else that this interview was conducted while everyone was standing outside in the dark? Why didn't Sierra's mom invite the sheriff and the cameraman inside for this interview? Weird!
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/46832709#46832709

My guesses in descending order of probability:

The talent and/or cameraman asked to do the interview outside in the dark. It contributes to the "atmosphere" of the piece; dark, forlorn, mysterious, overwhelming. Sends a silent message that this is being worked on day AND night. It's good filmmaking and it's not cheating in the sense of journalism ethics. Just because they work for the news media doesn't mean they lack an artistic aesthetic.

Or it might be that Marlene and/or Rick already feel profoundly violated and their sense of personal safety has been shaken to the core. They may not want millions of strangers to see inside their home, not just because of the loss of privacy but because of the whole threatening feeling of "now whoever did this knows even more about our home."

Or it could be that LE has asked them or advised them not to allow the media into their home at this point, for reasons connected either to the investigation or concerns about their personal security. There are plenty on the internet who have convicted Rick and are calling for him to be given the death sentence (forget the pesky little details like evidence, a trial, etc). We haven't seen any of that on WS because of the clear boundaries the mods have laid out.

 

[OldSteve]

I thought the same thing when I first saw it, but now I see it differently. She's 15 and in some ways I see all of this as a front, a persona that she is creating online. It's her way of being creative and expressing herself and although bold and way beyond her years, I think that at 15, her character hasn't been fully developed yet. Some of this she will come to regret, but that's how we grow and mature and, hopefully, learn from our mistakes.

This is where LE interviewing her friends can sort out just how real or fake her social media persona is.

Her mention of wanting to be taken is most disturbing - seems like something that would be done right out of the Catch A Predator show.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Just checking in... trying to keep up. IMHO... when I have been at the search center and have seen this whole family in person they seem to get along just fine. All of them... Marlene, Danielle, Steve and Rick. They appeared to me to be comfortable around each other and lots of other friends around too. I did speak briefly with them as well.

Many thanks for your in-person perspective.

When I watch them on camera, my overwhelming impression is that they haven't lost that "deer in the headlights" look that the vast majority of people have when interviewed. Which is no wonder, it takes time and training for actors, reporters, interviewers, etc, to appear natural on camera. There is a learning curve.

I find Marlene a bit odd in interviews. Not in a suspicious way but just difficult to understand.

And then I remind myself that under the circumstances, anything above meaningless gibbering is a huge accomplishment.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I am still concerned about SL's tweet about her father and sister agreeing that "he is creepy" or something like that. As if she had a suspicion about someone close to them "him" not being named and then her dad and sister agreeing that she was right and SL even says she was glad they saw the same thing. Who is he? also the tweet about how she should have run away BEFORE moving to MOrgan Hill an how stupid she was for not doing it.

I get a feeling this may be a key clue, too!

I have it tucked away on my list of Hmmmmm's!:waitasec:

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1203/20/ng.01.html
Aired March 20, 2012

Rita Cosby was the sub for Nancy. SMITH ... Sheriff Laurie Smith

COSBY: So is it possible that someone broke into the house, took her from the home? Do we know that someone, if, say, somebody took her, do we know that it wasn`t just in the home, that it could have been somewhere else? What do we know?

SMITH: We don`t know. There`s no forced entry in the home. The doors were locked. That`s why we believe it was outside the home. But if this was -- is an abduction, it doesn`t make any difference if it was in front of her house, inside of her house, and that`s why we`re putting the resources

Thank you Ransom for referencing the answer to the doors being locked.

I also agree that an abduction is an abduction whether inside or outside the house....but the means to abduct someone from inside the house, locking the door after you is very relative to that abduction. If it occurred "inside" would indicate someone Sierra allowed in. If the door was found "locked" it would indicate SL left with that person perhaps willingly. This would ,IMO, lead one to believe it was not a stranger abduction, but rather "someone known to Sierra".