Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #14 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[R.U.Kidding!]

That's jmo.. I'm not claiming that to be written in stone fact but IMO I see it as very likely part of what is the cause for Steve/Danielle to be on a completely different page than Marlene or Marlene/Rick..

As far as the video I do believe some discussed it again in the last thread and I just cannot stress enough how much I agree with those opinions about the obvious difference, distance, and totally different views on the evidence.. The eyes are extremely telling of exactly how much of a divide there is.. Along with what was most telling IMO was that moo Danielle/Steve weren't empathic to Marlene's crying.. I believe for me that was most telling and that there is a huge, huge difference in views as to what they believe may have happened to Sierra.[/B]

I agree with the 2 sides of the case--Steve and Danielle see it one way and Marlene and Rick another. The problem I see stems from the Rick Marlene relationship. Agreeing with your Assessment ,Smooth, on Marlene turning a blind eye to Rick, and Danielle and Steve seeing a problem there. Not saying they think Rick had anything to do Physically with the Sierra abduction, but in some mysterious way (at least to the public) perhaps contributing to a riff between Mother/ daughter. Has it been suggested that Rick could be the "creepy" SL tweeted about?

Also --I would NEVER have thought Danielle and Sierra were sisters, really? Maybe Sierra just takes after Mom and Danielle , Steve....but not seeing any resemblance---not that it is important, just sayin.:moo::moo::moo:

 

[RachelMarie]

Hey all just doing a quick check in from work on some of the cases. I actually came to this thread first because when we log in at worl AOL pops up right away and the first news story was about Sierra and how 5 RSO's were arrested in coorelation with her case so I wanted to see what you all had to say, but it does not look as though anyone linked it and I am unable to link it from work, but it was on Huffington Post.

 

[Annie1004]

In looking at the earlier newscast interviews, I saw that Marleen reacted the same way when asked about Steve being an RSO as she did re questions about her boyfriend. Consistent reaction in both cases at different times.

They are damned if they talk to the press, and damned if they don't, all the while going through an unimaginable horrific experience.

Until LE makes any move toward them as possible POI's, I personally am not going there.

What we need is a little more info / update from LE. It has been almost 7 weeks. Otherwise, this case may go cold and the public loses interest (AMW should create more attention, though).

 

[diamond12]

I admit I was rather surprised reading Sierra's twitts. From her pictures I had a total different impression, she does say heavy things on that page and she admitted to using drugs. Many teens love to act tough (I kind of did same) but, yeah I wasn't expecting some of the things I've read.
That said, this means nothing, I just hope she is ok


I really think that judging people on their reactions in front of a camera should be done only by professionals, it is rather tricky to really read people.
I think I would look suspect as well, I'd probably be frozen by pain and shock and not even be able to cry or answer questions properly
I admit some people just look...dead inside and that's usually what makes me think something is wrong (not talking about Sierra's family!).

 

[krkrjx]

Has it been stated if Marlene locked the door when she left that morning? No forced entry doesn't mean someone univited didn't just enter via an unlocked door.

Of course, that would not explain the door being locked when the intruder exited. I am thinking most intruders wouldn't do that.

I am really leaning more toward Sierra went willingly with someone. Either just a ride to the bus stop or to school, or perhaps an unplanned opportunity to ditch school. And then maybe something sinister happened.

 

[cluciano63]

All of this searching, clearly for a body, and no news from LE...
Will we ever know what happened to Sierra?
Maybe not...

 

[krkrjx]

If my kid disappeared and I went on camera I am sure I would appear as highly suspicious. I am somewhat shy by nature and I have never liked being photographed. I would really not like being filmed for any reason. I would be nervous as a cat. Add that to the stress of the situation and my broken heart, and eyebrows would raise worldwide! Everything I said, every nervous tic I tried to suppress, and every pause would be questioned. Every glance would appear furtive. I would probably be scrutinized to the point where everyone would immediately see me as hinky in every possibly way.

In short, I would probably question myself about whether my going on camera would really be in the best interest of my missing child, as I think it might put the focus on me instead of where it belonged.

 

[cluciano63]

If my kid disappeared and I went on camera I am sure I would appear as highly suspicious. I am somewhat shy by nature and I have never liked being photographed. I would really not like being filmed for any reason. I would be nervous as a cat. Add that to the stress of the situation and my broken heart, and eyebrows would raise worldwide! Everything I said, every nervous tic I tried to suppress, and every pause would be questioned. Every glance would appear furtive. I would probably be scrutinized to the point where everyone would immediately see me as hinky in every possibly way.

In short, I would probably question myself about whether my going on camera would really be in the best interest of my missing child, as I think it might put the focus on me instead of where it belonged.

But...the story goes away all too soon...and only the parents can revive the interest of the media. I know it must hard to do, but I think it is the only way to keep the interest high. All of the "familiar" missing kids here...Lisa, Kyron, Ayla, Hailey, etc...we seldom hear about them anymore, but they are still missing.

 

[krkrjx]

But...the story goes away all too soon...and only the parents can revive the interest of the media. I know it must hard to do, but I think it is the only way to keep the interest high. All of the "familiar" missing kids here...Lisa, Kyron, Ayla, Hailey, etc...we seldom hear about them anymore, but they are still missing.

Oh, I would do it. I'm just saying I would be seen as hiding something. And that is counter-productive sometimes.

When Susan Smith went on camera crying, pleading for the return of her little boys, I knew she was the perp. I was talking about that with a friend of mine and stated I thought she seemed insincere and that her tears were not real. My friend pointed out that the children's father was standing right next to Susan on camera, not saying anything but watching her every move. My friend said she was a heartbroken mother and the father was hiding something. I stood firm on what I saw, and my friend actually called me crazy, saying "Mothers don't kill their children. Fathers do!"

And of course we all know how that case turned out.

That is just an example of how an innocent person can appear guilty. My friend was CONVINCED that the children's father was the guilty party. Yet, to me he did not look hinky in the least.

Now, with Marlene, some will see her as furtive. And some will see Rick's absence in the media as suspicious. It is human nature to do that, but how does appearing on camera only to be villified benefit the investigation of a missing child? IMO it doesn't. I believe there are ways a parent can assist and keep their loved one's name in the media. Usually that is more effective locally only, but in Sierra's case LE seems to think the answer is there, locally.

 

[Annie1004]

Public speaking - Isn't that one of the biggest fears in general?

 

[cluciano63]

Public speaking - Isn't that one of the biggest fears in general?

Yea, but...losing your child? That has to top any public speaking shyness, IMO...it has to, you have no choice. JMO

 

[JTribley]

Oh, I would do it. I'm just saying I would be seen as hiding something. And that is counter-productive sometimes.

When Susan Smith went on camera crying, pleading for the return of her little boys, I knew she was the perp. I was talking about that with a friend of mine and stated I thought she seemed insincere and that her tears were not real. My friend pointed out that the children's father was standing right next to Susan on camera, not saying anything but watching her every move. My friend said she was a heartbroken mother and the father was hiding something. I stood firm on what I saw, and my friend actually called me crazy, saying "Mothers don't kill their children. Fathers do!"

And of course we all know how that case turned out.

That is just an example of how an innocent person can appear guilty. My friend was CONVINCED that the children's father was the guilty party. Yet, to me he did not look hinky in the least.

OMG!! I have always said about Susan Smith that I knew she was guilty right from get go, she never looked into camera when appealing to the public for safe return of her boys...and she kept closing her eyes and pretending to cry! I said it from then, my hubby said don't be ridiculous...but her body language totally gave her away. Just commenting on this aspect, nothing else....as I also agree that people react differently to bad news and trauma. However, Susan was just never sincere in her pleas.




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[Annie1004]

Yea, but...losing your child? That has to top any public speaking shyness, IMO...it has to, you have no choice. JMO

That's on the stress level test not on the fear list. Plus, I don't think a missing child's parent would all of a sudden become a good public speaker! They are doing their best IMO.

 

[cluciano63]

That's on the stress level test not on the fear list. Plus, I don't think a missing child's parent would all of a sudden become a good public speaker! They are doing their best IMO.

I didn't mean Sierra's parents really....just saying that all parents need to do it if their child is missing and keep doing it, IMO...people forget, move on to the next case, as we do here...

 

[rosesfromangels]

Not really. The investigators arrived the night before and were evidently still on scene. Note flashing light on police car.

I find this a handy guide when watching someone with roving eyes.
Danielle and Steve are straightforward in their gaze.

http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies_eyes.php

It shows six cardinal eye directions when looking at someone from your perspective.

Since Marlene appears hangdog and unable to "face" the camera, and with eyes shifting, we need to try to understand what is going on.
That she is evasive in her responses, there can be no doubt.

There is a reason why "shifty eyes" is universally associated with someone who is "up to something".

Maybe she's thinking of what LE told her she could say vs. what NOT to say? She's prolly afraid of saying the wrong thing and jeopordizing a conviction? I know that would be a lot of pressure.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I didn't mean Sierra's parents really....just saying that all parents need to do it if their child is missing and keep doing it, IMO...people forget, move on to the next case, as we do here...

It is cruel but you are correct, I think.

People often wonder why some missing people get a huge amount of attention and the majority get very little attention at all. I think there is truth to the "cute girl/woman, probably white" syndrome.

But now I wonder: maybe it also has to do with how presentable the family spokesperson is. Just off the top of my head, I can't recall a single famous case where the family spokesperson wasn't either attractive or able to look solidly middle to upper middle class. For instance, no cases of missing children where the mother was missing one or more front teeth.

So maybe the appearance of the family representative makes a significant difference as well.

Which is really, really wrong.

 

[rosesfromangels]

All of this searching, clearly for a body, and no news from LE...
Will we ever know what happened to Sierra?
Maybe not...

Keep the faith, keep sleuthing, and keep praying....

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Have you ever wateched 'Lie to Me'? Its on Netflix streaming. I know its probably glorified for Tv, but that would be one of the coolest jobs ever.

Paul Ekman, the guy whose research it was based on, blogged about it. He seems very cool. I was really disappointed it got cancelled.

Anyway, I just wanted to throw in that the things about eye movements are broad generalizations or tendencies...not absolutes. They are like heuristics - often useful but misleading if you look at them as hard and fast rules.

 

[Tuba]

But we're certainly not moving on now. I'll tell you my present sticking point. I'm considering whether the kidnapper/perpetrator pulled over only to wedge the Juicy bag and books between the cactus and the shed or if he accomplished another deed that was a stage in his crime. I keep thinking he wanted to do a couple of things there and then I move on to wonder what was that other aspect of his crime. Could it have been undressing Sierra? Or restraining her? He probably didn't return to Santa Teresa Boulevard until he had the situation under control because he didn't want to create a spectacle on the main road.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I am still concerned about SL's tweet about her father and sister agreeing that "he is creepy" or something like that. As if she had a suspicion about someone close to them "him" not being named and then her dad and sister agreeing that she was right and SL even says she was glad they saw the same thing. Who is he? also the tweet about how she should have run away BEFORE moving to MOrgan Hill an how stupid she was for not doing it.

Well, of course we wonder if she were referring to the mother's boyfriend. "Creepy" is a term young woman use when a man shows them unwanted attention.