GUILTY CA - Sophia, 2, Yazmine, 1, & Xenia Coronado, 2 mos, murdered, 20 May 2014

[LolaMoon08]

I will be honest and say that I absolutely do not understand it. Oh, I've read about it and I am absolutely horrified by even the personal stories I am reading here and I can only say that I am so thankful that you and your children are okay!

But, these three little girls are not okay! My God, they were viciously slaughtered! I just can't! I'm sorry. I really am. The father was across the street!! The grandmother was there/on her way!!

She was conscious enough in thought to call her mother and tell her she was going crazy!! Then she was sure as hell conscious enough to call 911 if it is even remotely possible that the father didn't give two flying :self modslip: that you were losing your mind enough to murder your children!! If she couldn't go to the father... go to a neighbor!! You don't think a neighbor would hightail it to her home and take care of those children if it meant saving their lives??

I really just hope those babies didn't suffer too long.

 

[blue22]

Respectfully -- this is not a mother who was just having a hard time with three babies in a few short years. This was a mother who likely suffered a complete psychotic break. She wasn't suffering your average run-of-the-mill stress every parent has with a new baby while tending to other children. This is not because her babies cried, needed to eat, having to pay bills etc.

Let me ask this: Would you expect a schizophrenic to stop talking to themselves because hey, you've been stressed/abused and didn't need to talk to yourself? I don't think that's even an option.

Would you expect a severely depressed person to just stop thinking everything is wrong -- get up out of bed and face the world -- because you've had bad things happen in life and never fell depressed because of it?

PPP is just as much of a mental health condition as the above. Considering the sudden onset and severity of the condition, it's certainly more dangerous. Having children doesn't make all mothers experts on it. You have to live it to know what it's like.



Again, I'm not excusing the mothers actions whatsoever, but I stand by what I've tried to convey all along: This didn't have to happen.

Do we actually know that she had post postpartum psychosis? I haven't actually read anything that states such. I assume now that she is charged, she will undergo mental evaluation to determine. Or, is this something that was already determined, and I just missed it...?

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

Do we actually know that she had post postpartum psychosis? I haven't actually read anything that states such. I assume now that she is charged, she will undergo mental evaluation to determine. Or, is this something that was already determined, and I just missed it...?

My first post on this subject already addressed this issue. If people are able to discuss how evil this person is, then the flip side of that argument can be presented. My assertion is that she is ill. I'm entitled to that opinion.

Most mothers who are sane will not be found laying nude in a pool of blood next to their three dead babies. You won't convince me, of all people, that this was an evil woman. I truly believe this was a very ill woman.

I argued the same issue on the discussion wrt Otty Sanchez. Some felt she was evil. Some felt she was ill.

It's a necessary discussion because there could be a new mother here, reading this very thread. Who can see there are others who have been through what she is/had. I won't pretend postpartum mental issues don't exist.

ETA: After reading this I realize I am probably coming across abrasive and over passionate. Please know, my only intent is to let it be known that these women are not alone. That there is help out there.

 

[blue22]

My first post on this subject already addressed this issue. If people are able to discuss how evil this person is, then the flip side of that argument can be presented. My assertion is that she is ill. I'm entitled to that opinion.

Most mothers who are sane will not be found laying nude in a pool of blood next to their three dead babies. You won't convince me, of all people, that this was an evil woman. I truly believe this was a very ill woman.

I argued the same issue on the discussion wrt Otty Sanchez. Some felt she was evil. Some felt she was ill.

It's a necessary discussion because there could be a new mother here, reading this very thread. Who can see there are others who have been through what she is/had. I won't pretend postpartum mental issues don't exist.

I feel like maybe you were a little offended by my post. I was genuinely asking if I had missed her already being diagnosed. I have only read about this case today, so I'm sure I've missed info.

I didn't say anything about you not being entitled to your opinion. Never did I make a comment about my thoughts on her mental clarity or sanity. It was a simple question, if I missed something. No need for defense.

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

I feel like maybe you were a little offended by my post. I was genuinely asking if I had missed her already being diagnosed. I have only read about this case today, so I'm sure I've missed info.

I didn't say anything about you not being entitled to your opinion. Never did I make a comment about my thoughts on her mental clarity or sanity. It was a simple question, if I missed something. No need for defense.

Please see ETA on previous post. You're correct, I've become defensive when it was unnecessary. Please accept my apologies. No, there is no official diagnosis at this point.

Sometimes I fight the fight so hard, I forget that not everything is a fight. Thank you for pointing that out to me. :blushing:

 

[LaborDayRN]

I feel like maybe you were a little offended by my post. I was genuinely asking if I had missed her already being diagnosed. I have only read about this case today, so I'm sure I've missed info.

I didn't say anything about you not being entitled to your opinion. Never did I make a comment about my thoughts on her mental clarity or sanity. It was a simple question, if I missed something. No need for defense.

I haven't read anything about her being diagnosed. I did read that she asked her mother to come over and said something to the effect of, "I think I'm going crazy". I believe postpartum psychosis was being discussed as a possibility.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I haven't read anything about her being diagnosed. I did read that she asked her mother to come over and said something to the effect of, "I think I'm going crazy". I believe postpartum psychosis was being discussed as a possibility.

BBM

And this is my issue with the whole thing. Her MIND was aware enough to call her mother and tell her she thought she was going crazy. Is that normal in a state of postpartum psychosis?

Was there anything leading up to the death of these little girls to believe she was having issues with postpartum depression? Anything that could lead to a psychotic break? If so... why was she left alone with the girls?

If I am understanding this correctly... the youngest was 2 months? And the eldest 3? I am not dismissing postpartum psychosis! I am just having a hard time understanding that someone who was in the right mind to call their mother, would not be in their right mind to not just WALK OUT of the house and yell across the street to her husband!?!

It just makes no sense to me.

 

[Oddsocks]

For what it's worth I've had experience living with someone with psychosis. There were moments of clarity and if I was to guess, I'd say that the call to the mother was a huge cry for help.

 

[LolaMoon08]

For what it's worth I've had experience living with someone with psychosis. There were moments of clarity and if I was to guess, I'd say that the call to the mother was a huge cry for help.

Thanks for your personal experience. You did say that there are moments of clarity? How long do they last, if you don't mind me asking? Do they vary?

 

[Oddsocks]

With my experience, definitely variable. And episodes of psychosis would last for weeks sometimes, with completely distorted thinking, hallucinations aurally and visually. And then all of a sudden she would be back to normal for a while. But keep in mind this was a different diagnosis to postpartum psychosis.
In hospital many years ago I was sharing a ward with a lady who had a baby a few weeks old. I heard her tell a nurse that someone was telling her to pour her hot coffee over her baby.
I wish someone had spotted warning signs, if here were any, in this case.

 

[mrsobrien]

<---- Withholding opinions until more is known about her mental state. This thread is painful for me to read, not just because of the loss of these beautiful babies. :-(

 

[kimi_SFC]

Daily Mail:
EXCLUSIVE - 'She was a demon possessed': Father of three little girls 'stabbed to death by their mother' speaks out about the horrific crime

22:38 21 May 2014, updated 03:35 22 May 2014

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Devastated Rodolfo, tears streaming down his face, told MailOnline: 'I don’t know why the hell this happened, she killed my babies man, she killed my babies.

'It was like a demon possessed. She was a girl with a good career ahead of her, I just don’t know why it happened. If I knew why it happened, it would answer all my questions.’

(snip)
Rodolfo spoke out from his mother's home .... The family asked for privacy and said there would be no further statement at this time.

(snip)
Specialist homicide police are still questioning Carol Coronado and have said there is no further update to the statement they issued late yesterday night.

She has refused to speak to police or shed light on what led her to allegedly slaughter all three of her children.

'The babies were on the bed,' Los Angeles County Sheriff's Lt. Dave Coleman said.'And not in a haphazard fashion, they were placed on the bed, so how and where they were killed, we're going to have to figure that out.'

Investigators were reviewing Coronado's medical records and her service in the military. She joined the Army after high school but only spent a few months in the service before being released due to an injury, Coleman said.

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[Disguiseduser0308]

BBM

And this is my issue with the whole thing. Her MIND was aware enough to call her mother and tell her she thought she was going crazy. Is that normal in a state of postpartum psychosis?


If I am understanding this correctly... the youngest was 2 months? And the eldest 3? I am not dismissing postpartum psychosis! I am just having a hard time understanding that someone who was in the right mind to call their mother, would not be in their right mind to not just WALK OUT of the house and yell across the street to her husband!?!

It just makes no sense to me.

I can try to answer this question. This was my experience with the illness and may differ for others. I wasn't constantly having intrusive thoughts. However, I was constantly filled with anxiety and panic. It's was the anxiety and panic that compelled me to call everyone on my phone list. I kid you not, I was calling people everyday. I felt like my children and I needed to be rescued. It was one of the most intense feelings I have ever experienced.

My days would start out trying to cope with the anxiety and panic. Making S.O.S. calls because my soul felt something was wrong. Then just as suddenly it would feel like someone flipped a switch and I would hear voices and see terrible visions. The entire time praying to God to please have my family member arrive soon. Please, someone help me.

After living many weeks with this my complete break happened and I tried to commit suicide.

After all those calls to family and Dr's you know what the one thing that's resonated with them? They had no idea how sick I was. Not until I tried to kill myself. Part of it is the pervasiveness of the illness itself. It's terrifying to admit to medical personnel that you have thoughts of hurting your children. You believe yourself to be the worst mother to exist and your children will be whisked away by DHS/DCFS. Which only feeds the already fragile mind.

But, that's how we save mothers and children from this. Our stories need to be told. I didn't lose my children to social service. Eventually, mine and my childrens lives came back to normal.

JMO and my experience. Thank you for reading.

 

[kimi_SFC]

It has been incredibly difficult reading here since the story broke. Three beautiful, precious, innocent little girls, taken from this world. They will never realize their potential. The world will never benefit from their contributions and their talents. The loss is so profound, my heart literally hurts every time I search for a new article to post to the thread.

As a student of Forensic Psychology, I understand the diagnosis of Post Partum Psychosis. It is very real. The research exists, as does the treatment. At issue, IMO, is the screening of new mothers, and their access to care and services. There are cultural factors that can come into play as well. The safety net has evolved over time as well. OB/GYNs are being trained to ask questions, IME. This happened with my youngest daughter, but not my eldest. Up thread, other WSers linked excellent data and research on the topic. PPP is a much more severe diagnosis than Post Partum Depression.

Some clinicians believe PPD can deteriorate to PPD. This is somewhat somewhat controversial. Most of the writings and research indicate that PPP is linked to Bipolar Disorder, which is triggered to the hormonal changes of childbirth.

This study has located a genetic component to Chromosome-16:

Bipolar Affective Puerperal Psychosis: Genome-Wide Significant Evidence for Linkage to Chromosome 16

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/Mobile/article.aspx?articleID=98665

More than anything, the personal stories shared here have shed light on this topic in ways no research study or academic article ever could. These are deeply personal windows into the worlds of moms who experiences what PPP can do firsthand. They received help, and that's an overriding message here, IMO.

The investigation into what happened before CC took the lives of her children, and attempted suicide, aren't fully known yet. She's not talking, so we must wait for LE to piece this together. It is beyond frustrating, when we look at images of the precious sisters in life.

I understand the anger and the inability to excuse CC's actions. We have seen criminal defenses use MI as a shield in the past. Anytime a child is harmed, I personally have an extremely difficult time with any defense. That's just me, and I know it's a shortcoming that isn't fair to those with true MI. IMV, all children should be protected, because they didn't ask to be born. That idealism isn't realistic in today's world, as we see over and over here, in case after case at WS.

And so, I am left, struggling with the dichotomy of this case. The unanswered questions, the absolute senselessness of it all.

I hope we can find some middle ground as we await the investigators' final report. There are real people, dealing with real MI, every single day. By reading these accounts, they might take that first step, and reach out for help. I hope they will never be too afraid to ask for help. lease:

In the midst of all of this, are three Forever Angels. They suffered tremendously, together, before they entered Heaven's gates. That's what my faith allows me to believe. This case has me relying heavily on my faith.

#RIPAngelsCoronado
:candle:

My apologies for the long post :blushing:






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[blue22]

Please see ETA on previous post. You're correct, I've become defensive when it was unnecessary. Please accept my apologies. No, there is no official diagnosis at this point.

Sometimes I fight the fight so hard, I forget that not everything is a fight. Thank you for pointing that out to me. :blushing:

No need to apologize, I was just being clear that I wasn't intending snark in my comments. We are all big kids, I'm not offended

 

[MyBelle]

BBM

And this is my issue with the whole thing. Her MIND was aware enough to call her mother and tell her she thought she was going crazy. Is that normal in a state of postpartum psychosis?

Was there anything leading up to the death of these little girls to believe she was having issues with postpartum depression? Anything that could lead to a psychotic break? If so... why was she left alone with the girls?

If I am understanding this correctly... the youngest was 2 months? And the eldest 3? I am not dismissing postpartum psychosis! I am just having a hard time understanding that someone who was in the right mind to call their mother, would not be in their right mind to not just WALK OUT of the house and yell across the street to her husband!?!

It just makes no sense to me.

I'm curious why you think yelling across the street to her husband was all she needed to do? The bigger question I have is why was he across the street to begin with? My daughter has three children all born within one year. Three children that young and so close together is too much for one person to handle. It's a real nightmare if the children don't sleep through the night.

This case appears to be just that, a nightmare.

JMO

 

[janx]

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest...g-of-3-daughters-Mom-could-face-death-penalty

"Carol Coronado, 30, also faces one count of attempted murder after trying to kill her mother, said Sarah Ardalani, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles County district attorney's office."

 

[1&2&3]

Some of you may not believe in what I am going to say. But many of you will identify immediately.

Have you ever heard "you get one good child and one bad child"? Some prefer to say buzy instead of bad. Are you laughing now?

I was four weeks from the birth of number two when a wise older lady told me this. Hubby and I had taken number one for a long weekend. While we were at the pool, dear child was being his precious obnoxious self when the lady said this. She was very sweet and I took it as she was trying to comfort me as she could tell I was exasperated! I looked at her and said " well we know which one is inside then! Thank you so much!"!

Proved to be true! And has been the case in everyone I know - one friend didn't get her buzy child until number four!

The reason I bring this up is that in this case it makes me wonder if child number two or three was the buzy child? Second child at 16 months was still a baby, yikes! If she was the buzy child with sleeping issues, fuzzy, crying, demanding, just not a baby one could please, then add teething, plus jealousy from the new baby. This Momma may have just snapped!

From what I experienced, mothers who had the good child first, had a whole different perspective on motherhood after the second child was the buzy one.

This does not excuse the mom. This type story is becoming too frequent. Mental health has decreased in helping those seriously ill, but as a society, mothers need a way of being detected before they reach this stage. Is it getting the information to the husband, partner?

My opinions only.

 

[blue22]

I'm curious why you think yelling across the street to her husband was all she needed to do? The bigger question I have is why was he across the street to begin with? My daughter has three children all born within one year. Three children that young and so close together is too much for one person to handle. It's a real nightmare if the children don't sleep through the night.

This case appears to be just that, a nightmare.

JMO

He was across the street working on a truck. The baby was two months old. Why can't the husband be across the street? It's perfectly reasonable for either spouse to leave for a bit, at two months. He could have been making money, or just being nice and helping someone out, and he had the skill. His mother was there, it's not like he fled the family and left them behind to fend for themselves.

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

Some of you may not believe in what I am going to say. But many of you will identify immediately.

Have you ever heard "you get one good child and one bad child"? Some prefer to say buzy instead of bad. Are you laughing now?

I was four weeks from the birth of number two when a wise older lady told me this. Hubby and I had taken number one for a long weekend. While we were at the pool, dear child was being his precious obnoxious self when the lady said this. She was very sweet and I took it as she was trying to comfort me as she could tell I was exasperated! I looked at her and said " well we know which one is inside then! Thank you so much!"!

Proved to be true! And has been the case in everyone I know - one friend didn't get her buzy child until number four!

The reason I bring this up is that in this case it makes me wonder if child number two or three was the buzy child? Second child at 16 months was still a baby, yikes! If she was the buzy child with sleeping issues, fuzzy, crying, demanding, just not a baby one could please, then add teething, plus jealousy from the new baby. This Momma may have just snapped!

From what I experienced, mothers who had the good child first, had a whole different perspective on motherhood after the second child was the buzy one.

This does not excuse the mom. This type story is becoming too frequent. Mental health has decreased in helping those seriously ill, but as a society, mothers need a way of being detected before they reach this stage. Is it getting the information to the husband, partner?

My opinions only.

RBBM -- I think the most important issue is getting the information to everyone involved in this families life. Also, telling women they won't lose their children by admitting the severity of what they're going through.

Time and time again, every story I hear, the mother's biggest fear was losing her children to social services. I'm living proof that they don't come knocking on your door because you're sick. Tell anyone that will listen. It will be okay. There is help.

JMO