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soanyway said:
Did she happen to take the missing carpet roll with her?
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That said, Whitman confirmed that the carpeting had been pieced into a design. Investigators looked under the new padding at the flooring underneath which was not new, Whitman said, and saw nothing such as dried blood to indicate anything had happened.

The carpet changes are odd, Whitman acknowledged, but he added that Smart told a friend they planned to make this change to the carpeting before she went missing, and that friend spoke to investigators.
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Smart search continues, boyfriend says he has no idea where she is
 
That is true, based on what he has said. I've replaced carpet in many homes and I can still tell you exactly how it was disposed of in each case (taken to a dump, picked up by the trashman, donated, etc.). I also have plywood in the garage that is aged. But IMO, the lake wasn't searched because they suspected she had fallen in, it had more to do with rumors that there may have been a person (s) involved in putting her there. IIRC, it was the family and their team that led the search that particular day. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was also the family that first noticed the carpet having been replaced.


KaaBoom said:
Smart search continues, boyfriend says he has no idea where she is
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soanyway said:
That is true, based on what he has said. I've replaced carpet in many homes and I can still tell you exactly how it was disposed of in each case (taken to a dump, picked up by the trashman, donated, etc.). I also have plywood in the garage that is aged. But IMO, the lake wasn't searched because they suspected she had fallen in, it had more to do with rumors that there may have been a person (s) involved in putting her there. IIRC, it was the family and their team that led the search that particular day. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was also the family that first noticed the carpet having been replaced.
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BBM

My exact thought about the carpet disposal. It's not like there are that many disposal options in the area. It wasn't that long ago. It's very unlikely that the BF forgot where he put it.

Yes, it was a family team search of the lake. Their discovery of something shaped like a body under the water led to the sheriff following up a few days later and deciding it was a rock.

AFAIK It was the family who noticed the missing carpet and brought it to the sheriff's attention. Even if it was a project planned and spoken of by TS before she disappeared, the carpet could still have been used for a nefarious purpose. I'm not saying it was, but it can't be ruled out just because she spoke of the project.
 
The lake was checked because the BF owns a boat that's parked in the water across the street from his house. With carpet unaccounted for, replaced plywood, and a missing GF who was having trouble walking, it's not that hard to draw a simple conclusion.

I don't think he put her in the lake, though. I think he dumped her over a ravine cliff, and that's where the carpet and wood is too.
 
I'm inclined to agree that she is not in the lake. I'm not discounting the rumors of the ex posting about the ring, could've been to throw off the trail (JMO), but I think that's too logical a place to look. It's much more likely that she would be in the woods or an abandoned mine. All MOO

ETA, I apologize to anyone close for referring to SS in this manner. I mean no disrespect, but sadly it looks more like a recovery. I'll never understand how people that commit heinous crimes to a victim can continue to torture the family by not disclosing their whereabouts. (Not saying that is what happened here, just making a general statement). It's clear they have no conscious. I just don't think it's because of protecting themselves. It could be done anonymously and there would still have to be more evidence tying a perp to the crime for a conviction. IMO, it's exceptionally cruel to not let the family have closure by getting their loved one back.


GigTu said:
The lake was checked because the BF owns a boat that's parked in the water across the street from his house. With carpet unaccounted for, replaced plywood, and a missing GF who was having trouble walking, it's not that hard to draw a simple conclusion.

I don't think he put her in the lake, though. I think he dumped her over a ravine cliff, and that's where the carpet and wood is too.
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GigTu said:
The lake was checked because the BF owns a boat that's parked in the water across the street from his house. With carpet unaccounted for, replaced plywood, and a missing GF who was having trouble walking, it's not that hard to draw a simple conclusion.

I don't think he put her in the lake, though. I think he dumped her over a ravine cliff, and that's where the carpet and wood is too.
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This is a generality, but if you look at a lot of missing persons cases, I believe this will be true most of the time.

If a person disappears in an urban environment, chances are they were the victim of foul play. If people are surrounded by a lot of humans, the chances for them to be victimized by humans increases.

If a person disappears in a rural area, chances are they were the victim of mother nature. They fell into a lake, they fell into a volcano, they were attacked by a bear, they were eaten by a tiger, etc. For example, Anna Schmidt. Many WS posters were certain that she had been kidnapped or murdered, but it turned out she was alone and had slipped off a cliff.

I think that will turn out to be true, in SS's case as well. This woman had trouble walking, but I doubt she stayed inside that crappy trailer all day. She was most likely there, because she loved nature, and she probably walked across the road to the lake a lot. To make matters worse, she had trouble walking and was unstable on her feet. In Anna Schmidt's case, she was in very good physical condition, yet she fell to her death. I think the possibility that SS fell into the lake is much greater.
 
The family used boats to check the entire shoreline, both for evidence that SS fell in and for her body. Granted, this was weeks after the fact, but signs of someone slipping or signs of her remains would very likely be visible along the shoreline. Bodies don't usually sink unless someone makes sure they are weighted down or they get caught by something underwater.

We don't know how far she could walk, but the family indicated that she would have to be driven to go any real distance. The marina is across the road, but it's not a short walk for someone disabled. I can't speak for Stacey, but walking even relatively short distances is painful for me because of back problems, so taking a walk to the marina would not be something I would do for pleasure. Pain puts a damper on enjoyable activities like that. Of course, she may have attempted to go for a walk and gotten into trouble, but in that case, she wouldn't have gotten too far. Her BF's property and surrounding area has been searched.

Anything is certainly possible, even if it doesn't seem likely. But in my observation of the cases of disappearing women (and even men) in the Emerald Triangle and southern Oregon, it is generally caused by someone else, rather than by an encounter with nature. Of course, proving it is an entirely different matter. I'm hopeful that LE is looking at all angles. It can often take many months before there is enough evidence to name a POI. It took two months to name Lennie Ames a POI in Stephanie Warner's disappearance and two years for the sheriff to say she was probably dead and to name him a suspect. If you hide someone well enough, you can usually get away with it. :mad:
JMO
 
I also thought I had seen where there was a collage of carpet (mismatched) that had been replaced in one of the rooms. I'll have to look for it. Do we have a VI here?


Lilibet said:
BBM

My exact thought about the carpet disposal. It's not like there are that many disposal options in the area. It wasn't that long ago. It's very unlikely that the BF forgot where he put it.

Yes, it was a family team search of the lake. Their discovery of something shaped like a body under the water led to the sheriff following up a few days later and deciding it was a rock.

AFAIK It was the family who noticed the missing carpet and brought it to the sheriff's attention. Even if it was a project planned and spoken of by TS before she disappeared, the carpet could still have been used for a nefarious purpose. I'm not saying it was, but it can't be ruled out just because she spoke of the project.
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soanyway said:
I also thought I had seen where there was a collage of carpet (mismatched) that had been replaced in one of the rooms. I'll have to look for it. Do we have a VI here?
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No VI yet. In progress I hope. My recollection is that they were installing a design of carpet pieces at the entrance to the bedroom, which is why the large piece was removed (and discarded somewhere the BF can't remember). I believe it's in an article, not SM.
 
Lilibet said:
The family used boats to check the entire shoreline, both for evidence that SS fell in and for her body. Granted, this was weeks after the fact, but signs of someone slipping or signs of her remains would very likely be visible along the shoreline. Bodies don't usually sink unless someone makes sure they are weighted down or they get caught by something underwater.

We don't know how far she could walk, but the family indicated that she would have to be driven to go any real distance. The marina is across the road, but it's not a short walk for someone disabled. I can't speak for Stacey, but walking even relatively short distances is painful for me because of back problems, so taking a walk to the marina would not be something I would do for pleasure. Pain puts a damper on enjoyable activities like that. Of course, she may have attempted to go for a walk and gotten into trouble, but in that case, she wouldn't have gotten too far. Her BF's property and surrounding area has been searched.

Anything is certainly possible, even if it doesn't seem likely. But in my observation of the cases of disappearing women (and even men) in the Emerald Triangle and southern Oregon, it is generally caused by someone else, rather than by an encounter with nature. Of course, proving it is an entirely different matter. I'm hopeful that LE is looking at all angles. It can often take many months before there is enough evidence to name a POI. It took two months to name Lennie Ames a POI in Stephanie Warner's disappearance and two years for the sheriff to say she was probably dead and to name him a suspect. If you hide someone well enough, you can usually get away with it. :mad:
JMO
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The distance to the marina is about 100 feet. That would be a one minute walk for an able bodied person. I would think maybe five minutes for an extremely slow walker.

I have no idea what signs someone slipping off a boat dock would leave. Her body could be almost anywhere after several weeks in the water, IMHO.

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Just referring back to my using Stephanie's BF as an example of how long it can take to be named a POI...Ames was cooperative at first, but as soon as he was named a POI he left the area and stopped talking. Cooperating is nice, and someone who has nothing to hide will generally do so willingly, but so will those who are likely to be guilty, especially if they're pretty sure they've covered their tracks really well.

At this point, we don't have a named POI in Stacey's disappearance. But while we wait, here's my checklist for evaluating what I know about potential POIs that arouses my suspicion (from past cases, especially Stephanie's)...

Biggest indicator--Knew she was gone and didn't report it to family or LE.
Next biggest-- Lame reasons for not calling family or reporting.
Improbable theory about where she went and why.
Probably the last to see her.
Possibly had reason and opportunifty to disappear her.
Not (or barely) involved in the searches or publicity.
Resumes normal life quickly.
Public comments are more about their own feelings.
Casts suspicion on someone else.
Fairly quickly stops cooperating with LE and family.

All JMO. NOT accusing, but I like to quietly take note of these indicators and see if the eventually named POI fits the profile.
 
KaaBoom said:
The distance to the marina is about 100 feet. That would be a one minute walk for an able bodied person. I would think maybe five minutes for an extremely slow walker.

I have no idea what signs someone slipping off a boat dock would leave. Her body could be almost anywhere after several weeks in the water, IMHO.
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I'm not saying she didn't take a walk, just that IMO these physical issues are a factor keeping me from assuming that she might have. It's not just the time involved in the walk, but the pain, and whether one is willing to endure it even for five minutes (and the return trip), just to go to the marina or on a walk in the woods. These are issues I have to factor in personally. Sometimes I'll tough it out and other times it's not worth it to me. I don't know what Stacey's walking issues involved...just slow without pain or very difficult because of pain. I'd like to hear someone who knows her weigh in about this and let us know if she was in the habit of walking to the marina...or anywhere else.

It seems likely that someone who slipped off a boat dock would end up under the dock. I hope that area has been thoroughly searched more than once. But yes, her body could be anywhere. :(
 
Thanks! From that article (BBM):

Smart’s family noticed missing carpet in the home Brand and Smart shared. Brand said he and Smart had cut out a piece to make a nice entry to the master bedroom and he had made a design there with pieces of carpet. Brand added that he offered that the deputies could pull up the design to look underneath, and they did.
“We weren’t able to inspect the carpeting removed because he couldn’t tell us where it was,” Whitman said, adding that there were certainly pieces of carpet found around the property but none that matched.
That said, Whitman confirmed that the carpeting had been pieced into a design. Investigators looked under the new padding at the flooring underneath which was not new, Whitman said, and saw nothing such as dried blood to indicate anything had happened.
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http://www.trinityjournal.com/news/local/article_0186542a-b6a6-11e6-bebe-476f9dace23b.html

watergirl62 said:
Found it. AuntB's post #200 had the link.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ounty-12-October-2016&p=12968486#post12968486
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Also the carpet situation is very confusing. It almost sounds like he is saying pieces of the carpet that were removed were cut up and reworked with other carpet colors into a design and, therefore, he couldn't tell where the original carpet he tore out was because it was all in pieces--some of it there in the design, some of it elsewhere on the property. BUT then they throw a wrench into that idea when they say the other carpet on the property DID NOT MATCH. Assuming that means did not match the original. So if it did not match the original, there is carpet missing. He should be able to say, "I bagged the pieces up with the regular trash" or "I took them to the dump." or "I advertised free carpet scraps on craigslist and a man in a truck came and got them". :gaah:

Also a question for Cali natives. This might not be relevant, but I was wondering if there are any special laws for disposing of carpet in California?
 
It doesn't sound to me as though a search warrant was obtained, is there a way to check? JMO, but it appears as though entry was given into the home to address the concerns of the family (previously having seen the replaced carpet area) but I don't know that LE did a thorough search of the entire residence. I would be looking at the carpet under the sofa or bed (large areas) for anything unusual. But if LE didn't have a search warrant, they may have been at the mercy of the BF's willingness. I hate that this case isn't getting more attention :(



Gardener1850 said:
Also the carpet situation is very confusing. It almost sounds like he is saying pieces of the carpet that were removed were cut up and reworked with other carpet colors into a design and, therefore, he couldn't tell where the original carpet he tore out was because it was all in pieces--some of it there in the design, some of it elsewhere on the property. BUT then they throw a wrench into that idea when they say the other carpet on the property DID NOT MATCH. Assuming that means did not match the original. So if it did not match the original, there is carpet missing. He should be able to say, "I bagged the pieces up with the regular trash" or "I took them to the dump." or "I advertised free carpet scraps on craigslist and a man in a truck came and got them". :gaah:

Also a question for Cali natives. This might not be relevant, but I was wondering if there are any special laws for disposing of carpet in California?
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KaaBoom said:
This is a generality, but if you look at a lo f mother nature. They fell into a lake, they fell into a volcano, they were attacked by a bear, they were eaten byseloved nature, and she probably walked across the road to the lake a lot. To make matters worse, she had trouble walking and was unstable on her feet. In Anna Schmidt's case, she was in very good physical condition, yet she fell to her death. I think the possibility that SS fell into the lake is much greater.
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Yes that is a possibility, but it does not explain the BF's behaviour, the carpet and plywood. The don't know where she is then, we broke up and she moved out, then saying on face book something wierd happened to his girlfriend. Nope.
 
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