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That's awesome, I have family LE but not in Roseville. Definitely, have to put it front of their "to investigate" list!
CA CA - Susan Jacobson, 59, Sun City/Roseville, 2 May 2013 - #1
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That's awesome, I have family LE but not in Roseville. Definitely, have to put it front of their "to investigate" list!
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Previously I mentioned a WONDERFUL RESOURCE called NamUS.
I see Susan is still not in the system.
It is sad when there are FANTASTIC resources out there and they are not being
utilized.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/search
We here on WEBSLEUTHS know how VALUABLE of a resource this is.
From a missing person status to an unidentified status, a person could be IDENTIFIED once found. Many cases have been SOLVED (the identity of the missing/unidentified individual) using NamUS.
I do not understand this resource not being utilized.
I do not understand the Lack of Exposure.
It is frustrating!
I see Susan is still not in the system.
It is sad when there are FANTASTIC resources out there and they are not being
utilized.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/search
We here on WEBSLEUTHS know how VALUABLE of a resource this is.
From a missing person status to an unidentified status, a person could be IDENTIFIED once found. Many cases have been SOLVED (the identity of the missing/unidentified individual) using NamUS.
I do not understand this resource not being utilized.
I do not understand the Lack of Exposure.
It is frustrating!
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I think in most cases polys have lost their value. Not only are they not admissible in court, they can give false readings, inconclusive ones, and even when a poly comes back as indication no deception, LE doesn't always believe it. Wasn't it Jaycee Dugard's stepfather who took numerous polys and each one came back as "no deception", yet they never ruled him out as a suspect and they never believed he had nothing to do with her disappearance, until she was found in Philip and Nancy Garrido's backyard 18 years later. So even when a poly is accurate, it doesn't give answers, nor does it eliminate someone who is innocent. IMO
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But they are still used in law enforcement all across the USA. It is a tool to help rule ppl out is it fool proof no but what can it hurt. If I went missing I'd sure want the last person to see me or that was with me to take one.
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Sorry but...to me the only ppl that would refuse a poly have something to hide. Was her husband asked to take one I do not know but I would think that would be the First thing they would do. Jmo
I just think this case very strange.
I just think this case very strange.
I once heard a LEO say that the real value of LDTs is that the idea of taking one will sometimes lead a perp to confess. Some people,often young people, believe that a LDT will expose their secrets. That LDTs are pretty much infallible. just a thought..
I used to think they were super important, but after being here on WS and reading various cases I just don't trust LDT results. I agree with you, it seems like they're more of a psychological tool to see if the 'threat' of a test trips someone up.
I do still hope all the last people to see/speak to her have done one just for the psychological factor, but I have my doubts as to whether "passing" or "failing" would mean much. "Refusing..." that's more telling, IMO. Not that I've heard of anyone refusing to take one in this case, but refusing to me would be more meaningful than any other results.
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Police still use them (LD tests) up to the FBI so they must feel they have a use and likely they have evolved somewhat in the twenty years since Jaycee's step-father would have taken them.
We see LE using them all the time, so it does surprise me in this case, unless LE has somehow verified that Susan was at fact at the parking lot, or that her husband was not the last person to see her.
We see LE using them all the time, so it does surprise me in this case, unless LE has somehow verified that Susan was at fact at the parking lot, or that her husband was not the last person to see her.
I thought the idea that nikb had about the state fair was a great one. I emailed them to see what the legalities were in regards to posting/handing out missing person flyers. This is from the reply that they just sent me:
"Under our free speech guidelines, the posting of flyers on grounds are not allowed. However, if you would like to hand out flyers, you must first come to Cal Expos administrative offices, Monday through Friday between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. and make a request to set up a table in one of our designated spaces. The spaces are issued on a first come first serve basis, so Im not sure if all of the spaces have been given out for the fair. You will also be given a copy of our Free Speech Guidelines that must be adhered to."
"Under our free speech guidelines, the posting of flyers on grounds are not allowed. However, if you would like to hand out flyers, you must first come to Cal Expos administrative offices, Monday through Friday between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. and make a request to set up a table in one of our designated spaces. The spaces are issued on a first come first serve basis, so Im not sure if all of the spaces have been given out for the fair. You will also be given a copy of our Free Speech Guidelines that must be adhered to."
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(Snipped by me.) This is really close to something I was thinking about, so thanks for sharing your story. I know that some people, even though they may be (or think they are) really excited for some big life event - becoming a grandparent is a perfect example - it can also trigger kind of a... crisis? Existential meltdown? Like, "Wow, everyone's getting older. I moved here with my husband to take care of a relative. Now that's over. My son is all grown up, and now he's going to be a father. He doesn't need me anymore."
I'm wondering if she went through any of that. I think it's more common than we think, that feeling of not being 'needed' anymore. This case really baffles me. I was driving through the area on the freeway last weekend and it's just so... populated and ordinary. You never expect this kind of thing to happen, but especially not in a place like Roseville.
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Getting up some public interest/outrage should not be, either. Yet seemingly few are worked up over it at all.
Although it should not be true, usually middle-class white women get more press than others...is it her age that is causing the lack of interest? To me, her age and reports of her personality make her case far more intriguing, not less.
Although the reply is not very encouraging.Exactly! It should not be this hard to get people worked up about looking for her. I think she's at an age between "too old" and "too young," or at least I think that's part of the story. Not saying it's ok, just saying it's the only thing that halfway makes sense to me. I hate saying this but so far the main message I'm getting from this case is don't go missing between the ages of 30 and 80... be in your 20s or your 80s+.
Of course any missing person case deserves attention- no matter who they are. But one would think Susan Jacobson would be getting a whole lot more. She is a nice white woman from a nice neighborhood. It might not be fair, but there it is. So what gives?
You remind me of...me.
in your thinking. Yes all missing persons cases deserve attention! I so agree with you. I'll be honest, I often ignore cases like Susan's because I figure they'll get enough attention on their own. This one mostly drew me in originally because it's so close to me geographically, but later I got more and more intrigued by Susan herself. Why is it so hard to drum up coverage and support for someone who "should" be getting media attention right and left? Scratching my head, once again.
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Maybe getting the information out starts with the closest people to Susan. If there aren't flyers, searches, more media exposure by the people closest to Susan, then perhaps that is a reason why people in the community "seem" not interested. Maybe many Do Not Know Susan is missing. Maybe they heard she was missing in May, but quickly forgotten about her by lack of Exposure. People are busy in the spring/summer months and it might take more than several interviews or flyers being put up back in May, to jar people's memory or to have others help find Susan.
Lack of exposure I think makes it look like people don't care, but they might if they knew about Susan, and knew more about her.
Having Websleuths to talk about Susan is one thing because we can discuss her amongst ourselves, as that is what we do here on Websleuths,especially for people that do not live in California, so it is up to those people closest to Susan, and her community to help her.
Where are the SEARCHES?
IMOO.
This is why it is FRUSTRATING for me. Just TALKING about Susan won't bring her home.
IMOO.
Lack of exposure I think makes it look like people don't care, but they might if they knew about Susan, and knew more about her.
Having Websleuths to talk about Susan is one thing because we can discuss her amongst ourselves, as that is what we do here on Websleuths,especially for people that do not live in California, so it is up to those people closest to Susan, and her community to help her.
Where are the SEARCHES?
IMOO.
This is why it is FRUSTRATING for me. Just TALKING about Susan won't bring her home.
IMOO.
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