CANADA CANADA - 83 Missing & Murdered women of Edmonton, Alberta

[Sillybilly]

Just one site like huntingforbambi dot com ... the men pay $10,000 and their target women get $1,000 or $2,500 if they can avoid getting hit.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92070,00.html

And that article is just about Vegas ... can you imagine how much fun these wealthy creeps would have cavorting and sporting in the wilds of Canada with their "bit@#es"?

So yeah ... some days the World just wants to make me uke:

 

[Sillybilly]

Come to think of it, Hansen was arrested in June 1983 and that is the same year that these women started disappearing in large numbers throughout BC and Alberta.

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Quoting myself to clarify ..

The bulk of missing/murdered women in BOTH BC and AB seemed to have started in 1983 around the time that Hansen's killings became known, then the AB cases really spiked after Pickton's arrest in 2002 and the BC cases diminished. IMO this fits rather neatly into a theory of an organized group (probably/possibly profit-oriented) that

a) possibly came into existence due to being sparked by Hansen's heinous crimes coming to light, and
b) moved to AB to avoid scrutiny by the intense Pickton investigation in BC

 

[Foxfire]

(warning graphic/nudity)
Trailer- 'THE FROZEN GROUND'
http://www.ivid.it/film/8305/FROZEN+...iler+Originale "based on Robert Hansen: alaskan serial killer- Hunting Humans.. originally scheduled for release Dec 01/2012- Now 2013..

synopsis :
The film tells the story of American serial killer Robert Hansen, the man apparently was a normal family man only after his arrest in 1983, he rebuilt his double life for years had kidnapped young women who then freed, in the wilds of Alaska to hunt them down as if they were "prey."

Cast:
Nicolas Cage, John Cusack....

 

[mikkismom]

Victim identified in Kamloops death

http://www.castanet.net/news/BC/84265/Victim-identified-in-Kamloops-death

"The victim was identified as Summer Star Elizabeth Krista-Lee Fowler, a member of the Gitanmaax (git-n-max) First Nation in Hazelton.

Her body was discovered Wednesday by a man walking his dog.

While the autopsy confirmed the death was a homicide, RCMP aren't saying how the teen was killed."

 

[dotr]

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/12/09/...or-inquiry-after-aboriginal-b-c-teens-murder/

"OTTAWA – The Assembly of First Nations says the recent murder of a 16-year-old native teen is yet another reason Ottawa should call a national public inquiry into missing and murdered aboriginal women.

National Chief Shawn Atleo said Sunday the death of Summer Star Elizabeth Krista-Lee Fowler in British Columbia has triggered an overwhelmingly painful reminder of losses suffered by other families whose loved ones have disappeared or been killed"

 

[dotr]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2012/12/30/20460911.html
"A new grant will become available to parents of murdered or missing children on Jan. 1, the government announced Sunday.

The Federal Income Support for Parents of Murdered or Missing Children grant will help eligible parents who suffer a loss of income as they take time from work to cope with the death or disappearance of a child as a result of a probable crime"

 

[otto]

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/12/09/...or-inquiry-after-aboriginal-b-c-teens-murder/

"OTTAWA – The Assembly of First Nations says the recent murder of a 16-year-old native teen is yet another reason Ottawa should call a national public inquiry into missing and murdered aboriginal women.

National Chief Shawn Atleo said Sunday the death of Summer Star Elizabeth Krista-Lee Fowler in British Columbia has triggered an overwhelmingly painful reminder of losses suffered by other families whose loved ones have disappeared or been killed"

It's sad, but there are a lot of deaths that are related to drugs, prostitution, hitch hiking and bad choices. Drugs are mentioned in relation to the BC murder. I don't think that drug related murder is a problem that deserves a national inquiry. Deaths that result from high risk life styles occur in every country in the world. It's a well known fact.

I am curious about what results are expected from a national inquiry. What if the result is the obvious: people that live high risk lifestyles involving criminal activities have a higher probability of being murdered.

 

[otto]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2012/12/30/20460911.html
"A new grant will become available to parents of murdered or missing children on Jan. 1, the government announced Sunday.

The Federal Income Support for Parents of Murdered or Missing Children grant will help eligible parents who suffer a loss of income as they take time from work to cope with the death or disappearance of a child as a result of a probable crime"

It's so good to hear that the mother of a murdered child did something to make change ... no national inquiry, no expectation that she receive government funds, just a decision to become active and make change because she cares.

"Founded in Alberta in 1984, Victims of Violence quickly expanded into a national organization. Two of the founding members were Gary and Sharon Rosenfeldt, who's sixteen year old son Daryn was abducted and murdered in 1981 by serial killer Clifford Olson."

http://www.victimsofviolence.on.ca/rev2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=374&Itemid=192

 

[otto]

Victim identified in Kamloops death

http://www.castanet.net/news/BC/84265/Victim-identified-in-Kamloops-death

"The victim was identified as Summer Star Elizabeth Krista-Lee Fowler, a member of the Gitanmaax (git-n-max) First Nation in Hazelton.

Her body was discovered Wednesday by a man walking his dog.

While the autopsy confirmed the death was a homicide, RCMP aren't saying how the teen was killed."

Okay ... so the 16 year old girl traveled more than 600 miles, had been in contact with "associates" (not sure what sort of "associates" a 16 year old has, but okay), was murdered and ... may not even have been reported missing!

In what way is that deserving of a National Inquiry??? I'm sorry, but that request is absolutely ridiculous and seems to be nothing more than the family refusing to take responsibility for the fact that they didn't even care enough about their own child to look after her. This murder doesn't require a national inquiry, it requires that all other children be removed from the home and placed in safe environments so that no other children disappear while visiting "associates" 600 miles away.

How many more of the +/- 83 or 600 missing or murdered people disappeared under similar circumstances? In what way is the federal government responsible for fixing that type of problem?

"The victim was identified as Summer Star Elizabeth Krista-Lee Fowler, a member of the Gitanmaax (git-n-max) First Nation in Hazelton.

...
Police say the girl had been in Kamloops for an undisclosed period of time and had been in contact with associates in the community.

...
It's still unclear if she had been reported missing before she arrived in Kamloops."

http://www.castanet.net/news/BC/84265/Victim-identified-in-Kamloops-death

 

[Sillybilly]

and seems to be nothing more than the family refusing to take responsibility for the fact that they didn't even care enough about their own child to look after her.

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What are you basing that on Otto? Does your thought process extend to the approx 600 missing/murdered women of Canada whose families "didn't even care enough ...."?

We don't know all the circumstances. Other family members have said Summer Star went to Kamloops for a medical procedure. She took a bus and LE has indicated she had a return ticket. She was murdered within a 12 hour timeframe. I doubt her family, possibly even friends or LE, knew she was missing in that short length of time between when she was last seen and before her body was found.

Maybe one death does not warrant a national enquiry, but when we have approx 600 missing or murdered Canadian women, the majority of whom are aboriginal, it would seem there is a cultural bias that exists whereby misogynistic perpetrators (whether 1 or 600 of them) feel it is okay to wipe out aboriginal women (at a rate of 3.5 to 5 times higher than caucasian victims). There are socio-economic and cultural factors that need to be addressed to prevent these women from being so devalued and vulnerable.

Regardless of whether any of these women lived high-risk lifestyles, it does not give any creep the right to take their life. Maybe the victims have made poor choices in life, but if I choose to run down the street stark-naked and high as a kite, that does not give anybody the right to murder me.

JMO

 

[otto]

<snip>

What are you basing that on Otto? Does your thought process extend to the approx 600 missing/murdered women of Canada whose families "didn't even care enough ...."?

We don't know all the circumstances. Other family members have said Summer Star went to Kamloops for a medical procedure. She took a bus and LE has indicated she had a return ticket. She was murdered within a 12 hour timeframe. I doubt her family, possibly even friends or LE, knew she was missing in that short length of time between when she was last seen and before her body was found.

Maybe one death does not warrant a national enquiry, but when we have approx 600 missing or murdered Canadian women, the majority of whom are aboriginal, it would seem there is a cultural bias that exists whereby misogynistic perpetrators (whether 1 or 600 of them) feel it is okay to wipe out aboriginal women (at a rate of 3.5 to 5 times higher than caucasian victims). There are socio-economic and cultural factors that need to be addressed to prevent these women from being so devalued and vulnerable.

Regardless of whether any of these women lived high-risk lifestyles, it does not give any creep the right to take their life. Maybe the victims have made poor choices in life, but if I choose to run down the street stark-naked and high as a kite, that does not give anybody the right to murder me.

JMO

Why was a 16 year old girl going 600 miles away for a medical procedure by herself? If 600 people are missing, that seems like an extremly risky thing to do. Are the parents not aware of potential dangers? What went wrong? I wouldn't let my 16 year old go across the street for a medical procedure by himself. That's what should happen, but I didn't learn that from federal government intervention. It's common sense. A federal government inquiry can't instill common sense.

If 600 aboriginal women are missing (that number is disputed by the RCMP), it doesn't necessarily mean that someone is out there targeting aboriginal women. It may mean that aboriginal women, on average, are more inclined to live a high risk lifestyle. Necessary change cannot come from the federal government, and no amount of money will make change. People have to change. People have to stop choosing high risk lifestyles. How many Asian women are missing? What about Middle Eastern women? The question is not what can the government do to fix the problem, but what are aboriginal people doing that causes the numbers in that particular group to be so high. How can people of all types of background from all over the world know how to stay safe in Canada, but not aboriginal people?

 

[Sillybilly]

IMO, your response seems much more geared to condemning the victims' actions when the real problem lies with the cultural mindset of the perpetrators, and the historical indifference shown by society towards those victims.

Like the gang-rape in India where they have a very high rate of rapes against women ... it is more about educating people at a very early age that they must treat all people with respect. There are people in Canada who, for whatever reasons, think that aboriginals are not deserving of the same respect given other races.

Who ever really heard of "The Highway of Tears" until a white girl named Nicole Hoar went missing along the same highway that so many young native women had disappeared from throughout the years? Until then, not many people seemed to care, but it became headline news overnight as a result of her case.

And, no .. not everyone that is a victim has the same good common sense that you or I might have, but they sure as hell don't deserve to die due to their lack of it.

 

[dotr]

Slightly OT but wondering if pertinent...?
http://www.680news.com/2013/01/07/toronto-police-arrest-man-in-2-cold-case-sex-assaults/

TORONTO, Ont. – Toronto police have arrested a 43-year-old man in connection with two brutal sexual assaults dating back nearly 20 years.

Police announced the arrest of Steven John McGuire Monday afternoon, over a year after a $50,000 reward was offered for information.

McGuire was arrested Jan. 2 in Fort McMurray, Alta. He is charged with sexual assault with a weapon, robbery and threatening death

 

[otto]

IMO, your response seems much more geared to condemning the victims' actions when the real problem lies with the cultural mindset of the perpetrators, and the historical indifference shown by society towards those victims.

Like the gang-rape in India where they have a very high rate of rapes against women ... it is more about educating people at a very early age that they must treat all people with respect. There are people in Canada who, for whatever reasons, think that aboriginals are not deserving of the same respect given other races.

Who ever really heard of "The Highway of Tears" until a white girl named Nicole Hoar went missing along the same highway that so many young native women had disappeared from throughout the years? Until then, not many people seemed to care, but it became headline news overnight as a result of her case.

And, no .. not everyone that is a victim has the same good common sense that you or I might have, but they sure as hell don't deserve to die due to their lack of it.

Some of the Highway of Tears murders have been solved. Many of the Highway of Tears victims are aboriginal. There's no evidence that the man responsible for some of the murders was victimizing aboriginal people. He took anyone that was available. His cultural mindset was that of a nomadic criminal from the US that worked construction. He had an indifference towards everyone, not just aboriginals.

Gale Weys. 1973 and Pamela Darlington, 1973 were two of the early Highway of Tears victims. Nicole Hoar wasn't until 2002, so if the victims were ignored until 2002, it wasn't because all the earlier victims were aboriginal.

I read some of the articles related to aboriginals today. $104 million was given to one reserve over 6 years, and $60 million is completely unaccounted for - there is absolutely no paperwork regarding where the money went. Another $20 million has incomplete paperwork. The partner of the Chief is paid $850/day, but it's unclear what job he does. That's an awful lot of taxpayer money to be missing. Another article was about an aboriginal group that has blocked the national railway so there was a court order requiring them to be removed, but police apparently were afriad to remove them. Something is clearly amiss, but a national inquiry and more millions of tax payer dollars will not solve the problem.

 

[dotr]

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/01/07/violent-sex-offender-headed-to-edmonton-police


Meanwhile...

" A violent sex offender with a penchant for teen girls under 18 is living in Edmonton, warn city cops.

In the interest of public safety, the Edmonton Police Service is issuing a warning about Kevin John Taylor, 49, who was recently freed from the Bowden Correctional Centre after completing a 12-year sentence for sexual assault in the year 2000"
"

 

[Sillybilly]

Gale Weys. 1973 and Pamela Darlington, 1973 were two of the early Highway of Tears victims. Nicole Hoar wasn't until 2002, so if the victims were ignored until 2002, it wasn't because all the earlier victims were aboriginal

<rs&bbm>

I beg to differ on that Otto ... while the "expanded" list includes both caucasian and aboriginal, it seems aboriginals were ignored because, until Nicole's disappearance, the victims on the "original" list were ALL aboriginal. Gale and Pamela were only added to the Highway of Tears expanded list by E-Pana in 2007 (they have been previously been considered victims of the "Canada Highway Murders", which was a more southern location, separate from the Highway of Tears which is much further north).

 

[Sillybilly]

Some of the Highway of Tears murders have been solved. Many of the Highway of Tears victims are aboriginal. There's no evidence that the man responsible for some of the murders was victimizing aboriginal people. He took anyone that was available. His cultural mindset was that of a nomadic criminal from the US that worked construction. He had an indifference towards everyone, not just aboriginals.

<rsbm>

To my knowlege, only one of the 18 HOT cases has been solved and definitively attributed to Fowler ... that of Colleen MacMillen. Colleen, and the two other cases that Fowler is suspected of, are caucasian.

In considering that Fowler may be responsible for killing only caucasian women, it is certainly within the realm of possibility that there are other killers who may be responsible for killing only aboriginal women on the HOT.

Highway of Tears forum:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=439"]Western Canada's Highway of Tears - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[otto]

Lots of interesting news about aboriginal people wanting the government to meet eight specific demands. One of them is: a commission of inquiry on violence against aboriginal women.

I'm curious ... what are the possible causes of violence against aboriginal women in Canada? That is, if there was an inquiry, would the conclusions indicate that Canadians are, by nature, violent against aboriginal women, or might the conclusions indicate that it is a systemic problem that originates within the reserves and culture of aboriginal people - that the violence is caused by aboriginal people against women of their own families? If the latter, what expectations are there for providing a resolution to this problem?

 

[otto]

<rs&bbm>

I beg to differ on that Otto ... while the "expanded" list includes both caucasian and aboriginal, it seems aboriginals were ignored because, until Nicole's disappearance, the victims on the "original" list were ALL aboriginal. Gale and Pamela were only added to the Highway of Tears expanded list by E-Pana in 2007 (they have been previously been considered victims of the "Canada Highway Murders", which was a more southern location, separate from the Highway of Tears which is much further north).

I hope that there is no prejudice against women that are not aboriginal such that they are to be excluded from the list of missing women that vanished along BC highways. I was of the opinion that two of the potential identified victims of the highway of tears were hitch hiking just outside of Edmonton and if I recall correctly, they were aboriginal. Something doesn't add up for me.

 

[otto]

<rsbm>

To my knowlege, only one of the 18 HOT cases has been solved and definitively attributed to Fowler ... that of Colleen MacMillen. Colleen, and the two other cases that Fowler is suspected of, are caucasian.

In considering that Fowler may be responsible for killing only caucasian women, it is certainly within the realm of possibility that there are other killers who may be responsible for killing only aboriginal women on the HOT.

Highway of Tears forum:

Western Canada's Highway of Tears - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

There are 18 official highway of tears victims, and it appears that whomever is responsible does not choose victims based on racial characteristics:

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Photos+Missing+murdered+Highway+Tears/2331572/story.html