Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #11

[bakerlady]

Bear with me ... I'm trying to understand ... 22 years ago he was cooking meth. Because he cooked meth, he must have been associated with a gang like the hell's angels. 22 years later, he is still cooking meth and therefore still has connections with gangs. Police have not charged him with cooking meth, but that is only because he is very clever and they have not discovered his meth lab. Through his connections with the gang, either they set him up for the murders, or the gang murdered a five year old boy and his grandparents because the accused has control of gangs and they commit murders for him. Is that the line of reasoning?

Not even close to what I was trying to say. Where are you getting all of this gang stuff from?

 

[Cherchri]

I remember this being mentioned and I remember the quote "piece, by piece, by piece, by piece" from the Chief and I am going to have to put a...

graphic
But I kept getting the idea that either acid and or lye was used. I have read that in using both of these, often bone is left behind but everything else is gone. So I imagine if DG did this, that there would be fragments scattered about, and/or he pulverized it somehow and there were tiny little pieces scattered around.


IMO if that is true it might be too graphic to share with the public and/or the family.

Yeah! If you back up through these threads you will find that to be my theory all along. 100% likely IMO

 

[bakerlady]

you think the garland acreage/farm/big-yard only has one vehicle and it's the work truck?

Please go back and read the posts and maybe you will see where the confusion is coming from. Because now nothing is even remotely making sense. I never said any of these things or even hinted at them.

 

[stan laurel]

Do we know that DG was dealing? I don't remember ever seeing a link stating that he was dealing.

no, I never said he was dealing, I think I posted about the ambiguity of the term trafficking which does not necessarily mean dealing. The UBC Prof/instructor was actually a manufacturer of methamphetamine prior to being a prof/instructor, prior to this he was with imperial oil and lost his job due to economic cycle.

 

[news.talk]

I agree - no need for flattery BUT we have speculated about his level of intellect here. He was described by LE as "brilliant" many years ago and I think we should consider what we are dealing with here. After all, he seems to have everyone stumped. I think he is likely brilliant and I suspect we are going to be horrified by just how cleverly he has kept everyone running around in circles. In the end, he forgot that many other minds would be applied to unravelling his dastardly deeds and some of those minds would very likely prove to match his intellect. Had he been more "worldly" he may have got away with this.

*WE* may be stumped but that is because LE are doing a fantastic job to protect their case. Clearly they weren't as fooled by his superior intellect - after all, he was arrested and charged fairly quickly for these types of homicides.

 

[otto]

Not even close to what I was trying to say. Where are you getting all of this gang stuff from?

I'm trying to understand the line of reasoning from a meth cooking arrest in 1992 to the triple murder in 2014.

 

[Cherchri]

we see very little news out of Fort Mac, the direction of the cocaine. Big oil doesn't need/want attn. of the seedier side of big patch wages.

Huh? ......

 

[news.talk]

Spend some time in Quebec (5 years for me) and follow the news.

Ok... not sure what Quebec and following the news does to prove your analysis. Can you provide links from the news.. perhaps from Quebec?

 

[stan laurel]

I'm trying to understand the line of reasoning from a meth cooking arrest in 1992 to the triple murder in 2014.

We're just putting together who DG is I thought. Plus the possibility of org crime as an investment body for Winter Pet.

 

[Cherchri]

*WE* may be stumped but that is because LE are doing a fantastic job to protect their case. Clearly they weren't as fooled by his superior intellect - after all, he was arrested and charged fairly quickly for these types of homicides.

Please be reminded my question was about the bashing of his intellect.

 

[bakerlady]

I'm trying to understand the line of reasoning from a meth cooking arrest in 1992 to the triple murder in 2014.

The line of reasoning is that DG has is comfortable taking risks, committing felonies, and working closely with toxic chemicals. His history with all 3 of those things show he lacks a moral compass.

DG could have either manufactured meth for his own personal consumption or sold it to someone else to do with it whatever they please.

If it was the latter then he obviously was acquainted with another felon, the purchaser.

Now for example, lets say a man rapes a woman in 1992 and goes to jail for 10 years. Does that mean that in 2014 he will not rape again? No, actually statistics say that he WILL rape again.

So if DG stole an identity and cooked meth in 1992, and dealt with the scum of society, why is it so hard to comprehend that he did the same things in 2014?

He was arrested for identity theft and murder in 2014.

Apparently he went some time without being detected for the identity theft. He also had 4 days to get rid of evidence.

Don't you think if he could hide the bodies of 3 people that he could hide a small meth lab, which is essentially a few plastic tubs and tubes and bottles of chemicals?

I do think it is possible. Do I think he is a big time manufacturer for the gangs of Alberta? No.

 

[stan laurel]

Ok... not sure what Quebec and following the news does to prove your analysis. Can you provide links from the news.. perhaps from Quebec?

That would require starting a thread on my own forum. In essence if you have fallen for the look of org crime or the H.A as coat & dagger ruffians or obese long bearded Harley riding slobs, then, org crime has done well. If you live in Quebec for any length of time (and read the news) you start to notice the clean shaven Armani set in this years BMW coupe. The PQ govt is horribly and near irreversibly corrupted with org crime and the H.A, and they are still in there, well dressed and pulling the strings. Ask your family in LE about Quebec, I'm sure the opening answer will be a long drawn sigh of where-to-start.

 

[stan laurel]

Huh? ......

Read back pages; it's in relation to organized crime in Alberta, or more specifically the oil patch.

 

[news.talk]

Please be reminded my question was about the bashing of his intellect.

You'll have to forgive me. I'm starting to think I stepped out into some other universe, with some of the theories this evening. Biker gangs, mob ties to oil companies, Quebec meth labs and hit-men... I half expect Walter White himself to pop in and say, "What's my name...Thays right - Heisenberg?!"

 

[Cherchri]

Agree with this also, blood volume probably helped with their conclusion and I think they'll be found intact.

Well after a month, given the weather cycles experienced in that month, even if my theory is wrong...... I very much doubt intact is even a possibility now.

 

[news.talk]

That would require starting a thread on my own forum. In essence if you have fallen for the look of org crime or the H.A as coat & dagger ruffians or obese long bearded Harley riding slobs, then, org crime has done well. If you live in Quebec for any length of time (and read the news) you start to notice the clean shaven Armani set in this years BMW coupe. The PQ govt is horribly and near irreversibly corrupted with org crime and the H.A, and they are still in there, well dressed and pulling the strings. Ask your family in LE about Quebec, I'm sure the opening answer will be a long drawn sigh of where-to-start.

I do read the news, AND report it - all over Canada. We aren't talking about Quebec, we are talking about a loser from Alberta that has failed over and over his whole life. A guy from small town ALBERTA, that *by the way* was caught in the very early stages of an investigation. I think your reaching.

 

[bakerlady]

You'll have to forgive me. I'm starting to think I stepped out into some other universe, with some of the theories this evening. Biker gangs, mob ties to oil companies, Quebec meth labs and hit-men... I half expect Walter White himself to pop in and say, "What's my name...Thays right - Heisenberg?!"

LOL! me too....fftobed:

 

[Cherchri]

He would just need to know one person to sell it to in bulk. It's just like any other manufacturing. He could have even been approached by someone that knew he was a chemist and asked him or hired him to make meth. Then he was paid for his services and the guy who paid him broke it up into medium sized baggies and sold it to 10 people and those 10 people broke it up into 50 small baggies and sold it to a bunch of drug addicts in the bars and on the streets.

Now that is very probable and quite likely. Good thinking. That definitely ties back to the kind of individual we know him to be. He could even have been commissioned to cook by people he was afraid or in awe of? Ie doing it under duress as opposed to just deciding to cook meth.

 

[Sillybilly]

I do read the news, AND report it - all over Canada. We aren't talking about Quebec, we are talking about a loser from Alberta that has failed over and over his whole life. A guy from small town ALBERTA, that *by the way* was caught in the very early stages of an investigation. I think your reaching.

:yeahthat:

Slow news day

 

[Cattools]

So was the identity theft and yet he was arrested last month with the same dead persons credit card. Perhaps he just improved his methods and didn't get caught.

Do we know for sure the name on the identification? Also, are we sure there was a credit card?