Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #11

[LoisLane]

Good sleuthing WS'ers. Bottom line--DG is the killer. Does anyone doubt that?

The bottom line for me is finding these 3 people. I would also say the energy today on this site was very productive!

 

[mommabear7]

I don't doubt it. If only we could figure out where he would hide three people.

Has anyone considered that there are no bodies to be found? When DG was living on the lam, he worked at a chemicals lab in Vancouver. A quick google search will tell you that you can get rid of bodies with common lye available for purchase at farm supply stores. It disgusts me to think about it, but he would certainly have access to farm supply stores and knows a lot about chemicals.

 

[wendiesan]

Baker lady, I commented earlier that it's possible the blood and DNA evidence from the Liknes home proves that NO was killed there, and that perhaps one of his grandparents was killed elsewhere. Hence the 2nd degree murder charge. As Otto stated, if DG went to the Al's home intending to murder the Ls, he would have no way of knowing NO would be there. It was a spontaneous decision for NO to sleep over, impossible for DG to predict, and therefore impossible for him to form the premeditation to make NO's murder first degree. Make sense?

FWIW, the penalties for the charges are set out in the Canadian Criminal Code, Section 235. "(1) Every one who commits first degree murder or second degree murder is guilty of an indictable offence and shall be sentenced to imprisonment for life." (http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-116.html#docCont).

It is possible for someone convicted of first degree murder to be considered for parole after 25 years. Someone convicted of second degree murder could be considered for parole from between 10 and 25 years in accordance with the ruling of the sentencing judge. (http://www.williampouloslaw.com/blog/uncategorized/second-degree-murder-parole-ineligibility-canada/)

However, for multiple murderers, there is no longer a "discount" when it comes to parole. Instead, as of 2011, sentencing judges may decide that sentences be served consecutively instead of concurrently. (http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/AnnualStatutes/2011_5/page-1.html) Under the new law, in 2013, Travis Baumgartner was sentenced to life imprisonment with no chance of parole for fourty years. He had pleaded guilty to one count of first degree murder, two counts of second degree murder, and one count of attempted murder. This was the harshest sentence in Canada since 1962. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...thout-parole-for-killing-co-workers-1.1706464) Therefore, should the person tried for the presumed murders of AL, KL, and NO be found guilty on all three counts, it's possible that that person could be looking at a 60 - 75 year mandatory sentence before being considered for parole.

 

[otto]

Just curious what any of DG's dealings with Russian brides has to do with this case?

If he's looking online for women, he might also be looking at drug addicted prostitutes ... perhaps there's a connection to the woman that was found near his home in 2007 (police are looking into this).

 

[otto]

Has anyone considered that there are no bodies to be found? When DG was living on the lam, he worked at a chemicals lab in Vancouver. A quick google search will tell you that you can get rid of bodies with common lye available for purchase at farm supply stores. It disgusts me to think about it, but he would certainly have access to farm supply stores and knows a lot about chemicals.

If there were no bodies to be found, why would the police review aerial footage from Vieworx?

Jul 21, 2014
"The helicopter is normally used in the oilfields, but over the weekend, Head, his brother and other company specialists spent hours flying over the Airdrie acreage that has been the subject of a massive police search over the past two weeks.

They covered a radius of nearly 10 kilometres and the data they collected is being reviewed by police."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...help-from-high-tech-gear-helicopter-1.2713772

 

[Cattools]

I don't doubt it. If only we could figure out where he would hide three people.

My heart broke a little listening to the second LE pressser (on July 2) when H. Det. Andrus says "I am confident we will find the family members and we are hoping we'll find them alive."

 

[mommabear7]

Maybe because they are exhausting all possibilities. LE did say that a large quantity of chemicals were found in the home and that they didn't know whether they were used for farm purposes or for some other purpose. I pray that you are right and they do find the bodies so that they can be sure to lock DG away forever.

 

[bakerlady]

If he's looking online for women, he might also be looking at drug addicted prostitutes ... perhaps there's a connection to the woman that was found near his home in 2007 (police are looking into this).

He would just have to drive into Calgary or Edmonton to find them....

 

[Cattools]

Has anyone considered that there are no bodies to be found? When DG was living on the lam, he worked at a chemicals lab in Vancouver. A quick google search will tell you that you can get rid of bodies with common lye available for purchase at farm supply stores. It disgusts me to think about it, but he would certainly have access to farm supply stores and knows a lot about chemicals.

This has been quite thoroughly discussed several times, along with other methods of HR disposal.

 

[bakerlady]

Maybe because they are exhausting all possibilities. LE did say that a large quantity of chemicals were found in the home and that they didn't know whether they were used for farm purposes or for some other purpose. I pray that you are right and they do find the bodies so that they can be sure to lock DG away forever.

Do you have a link for that?

 

[bakerlady]

If there were no bodies to be found, why would the police review aerial footage from Vieworx?

Jul 21, 2014
"The helicopter is normally used in the oilfields, but over the weekend, Head, his brother and other company specialists spent hours flying over the Airdrie acreage that has been the subject of a massive police search over the past two weeks.

They covered a radius of nearly 10 kilometres and the data they collected is being reviewed by police."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...help-from-high-tech-gear-helicopter-1.2713772

Maybe to look for tire tracks off road somewhere, trash bags, buckets, barrels, disturbed earth.

 

[LoisLane]

The thing that bugs me is that if DG was not caught so quickly and he had already disposed of bodies in a field within close proximity to his residence and say they were discovered a year later... Wouldn't he be found out later down the road, the family would know to look at him as suspect because of all the many reasons. Why would he do that? It just seems risky. I think they would be farther away or closer to Parkhill.

 

[Cattools]

Do you have a link for that?

I have a link where Kevin Brookwell says in response to a question about any indication of a meth lab that they have found "a quantity of chemicals that are dangerous and flamable". He says they may be part of normal farm operations or not, they weren't going to say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POqMeVzS8Hs&index=6&list=UUfoP1GiuXF9aMybI8R8OYcQ this is an update from 10 July

 

[Cattools]

Some might be interested to know that at the LE presser on 2 july, a reporter asked something (inaudible) about Panama. Det. Andrus replies that they have a home in mexico and "I don't know the relevance of Panama."

here's the link (I think) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhkGV7BYpms

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Has anyone considered that there are no bodies to be found? When DG was living on the lam, he worked at a chemicals lab in Vancouver. A quick google search will tell you that you can get rid of bodies with common lye available for purchase at farm supply stores. It disgusts me to think about it, but he would certainly have access to farm supply stores and knows a lot about chemicals.

I think that's been mentioned once or twice...

 

[Cherchri]

Has anyone considered that there are no bodies to be found? When DG was living on the lam, he worked at a chemicals lab in Vancouver. A quick google search will tell you that you can get rid of bodies with common lye available for purchase at farm supply stores. It disgusts me to think about it, but he would certainly have access to farm supply stores and knows a lot about chemicals.

Yes indeed. I have espoused this theory for weeks now.

 

[Slebby]

The thing that bugs me is that if DG was not caught so quickly and he had already disposed of bodies in a field within close proximity to his residence and say they were discovered a year later... Wouldn't he be found out later down the road, the family would know to look at him as suspect because of all the many reasons. Why would he do that? It just seems risky. I think they would be farther away or closer to Parkhill.

I agree with your line of thinking here, especially if we keep in mind that DG seems too smart to incriminate himself that way. This is what discourages me, considering all the available places in and around Calgary where bodies could be dumped or buried. We have so much beautiful open space. I said a few days ago, with no family, friends or job, DG was free to drive anywhere, even into BC, to dispose of bodies. It would not be difficult to pull over the side of a rural road, drag a body out, dig a hole, dump lye or other chemicals to hasten decomp, and bury it all.

That said, I truly hope the police know a bit more about DG's activities than they have revealed, and that the dead can soon be properly laid to rest.

IMHO

 

[bullish]

It has been mentioned and linked several times that DG was involved in trade of mercury, sodium, and zinc phosphate.....take a lookee here.

(snip)

Phosphine
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UBM

I made the same erroneous connection in an earlier thread. Phosphate and phosphide are not the same material.

 

[Leeby]

Wow, caught the flu and been out of the loop for a few days...I knew you guys were fast but there are 28 pages I need to get thru!

Hope to be all caught up on my reading soon .

 

[bullish]

He most likely created reports that had nothing to do with reality.

No, I doubt that's true. As supervisor his role would probably have been to review the reports once the lab results had been plugged in (many if not most labs use report templates to speed the process). The supervisor is supposed to know enough to catch any possible errors (typos, or lab procedure errors that give results that would look odd). Cantest did have good accreditations at least back to 2005 and they would include ongoing proficiency testing through the year and audits by the accrediting bodies at least every 2 - 4 years.

(Sorry for going out of order; I'm catching up but doing it backwards. lol)