Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #13

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OutOfTheDarkness said:
That's weird, because the sentence before your bold claim discusses possible remains, and then you claim there were no remains on the acreage... DNA or not, you're still making the same unsubstantiated claim that was initially refuted.

Please Google "Where does DNA come from" and "fish in a barrel definition".
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I'm confused. If a skin cell has been found, can it be said that bodies have been found?
As I've said before, I believe that dismemberment is a possibility. When I state "remains", I mean bodies, bones, partial bodies ... something more substantial than a skin cell; something that can be easily seen and identified with the naked eye. A skin cell may indicate that someone was at a specific location, but it does not mean that there has been a murder.
 
I think we need to keep a couple of things in mind. When Nathan's mom arrived at the crime scene at 10AM and found no one home, she didn't assume that they were at the park, out for a walk, or at the supermarket. She phoned police. Why would she do that if everything appeared as it should?

Regarding what we were told by police, we know that there was a "violent incident" at the home. This is a criminal code term that was used by police. It doesn't mean much to the average news reader, but it means that there was an attempted murder, or a homicide, at the residence. We learned that early on. Later, we were told that all three victims were murdered. I don't understand why we should peel back what we know about the case and claim that the only evidence is a picture of a green truck.
 
otto said:
July 18, 2014
"Douglas Garland on suicide watch, as search for missing family continues ...

Global News has learned that Garland is currently on suicide watch at the Calgary Remand Centre. While Alberta Justice and the Solicitor General say they can’t comment on specific cases, they do say:

“Every offender is assessed by a health care professional upon arrival. If the health care professional determines that an offender is at risk for self-harm, that individual would be placed on observation in a specialized area.”

Garland is being monitored 24 hours a day."

http://globalnews.ca/news/1460733/d...watch-as-search-for-missing-family-continues/
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Again... choir preaching. I was responding to tinkerbell's post that was stated as a fact, claiming the suspect wasn't on SW until a day or two after remand.

ETA: I wasn't suggesting there was no link to support the statement, only asking for one to be provided when making definitive and incorrect statements.
 
sillybilly said:
I hadn't seen this pic of DG before. I zoomed in and am wondering if that is a scar on the side/top of his head. IMO, doesn't look like regular male pattern baldness.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.scr.../f4370131-97dd-4ce4-82d4-7792ed1e99a9_500.jpg
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It certainly appears that way. I wonder if this was a result of his 'car accident'?

It would be interesting to note as many Neurologists believe that damage to the frontal lobe can cause significant judgement, reasoning and social skill impairment:

"According to one research study the brains of 70 serial killers were examined and of those 70, all of them showed some type of trauma or damage done to the frontal lobe. The frontal lobes are located behind the forehead and are responsible for our speech, our thoughts, the way we learn, how we react to emotions, and control our movement. According to Pennie Packard, the frontal lobe “is responsible for much of the behavior that allows humans to live together in stable social relationships. It is what stops most human beings from acting on their inherent violent tendencies.” (Packard)

http://criminalprofilingworks.blogspot.ca/2011/04/psychology-of-serial-killer.html?m=1
 
otto said:
I'm confused. If a skin cell has been found, can it be said that bodies have been found?
As I've said before, I believe that dismemberment is a possibility. When I state "remains", I mean bodies, bones, partial bodies ... something more substantial than a skin cell; something that can be easily seen and identified with the naked eye. A skin cell may indicate that someone was at a specific location, but it does not mean that there has been a murder.
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We shed skin cells continuously. Most of the dust that accumulates in our homes is dead skin, our own and from previous occupants of the same house. I'm not an expert by any stretch, but I believe DNA_ can_ be found in skin cells, but it is also present in every cell and molecule of the human body.
Presence of skin cells would not indicate a body has been found, by any stretch. IMO.
 
news.talk said:
It was a TV interview. His remarks were his remarks.
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Alright :) I didn't realize it was a tv interview either, I read it in the article. :) Well, if he said it on tv, then it must be true. He's the fellow that started the first Trust Fund...I saw an interview with him, I believe he was talking about his daughter and NO being good friends. He seems like a very level-headed, reasonable person, so I'm sure that he wasn't expanding on what he saw/heard from JO. There was likely blood at the Liknes residence even though LE hasn't directly reported that. I've forgotten why this is even an issue. This originally started with the "no trace" of the victims at the acreage comment, right? Well it could be human error, it could be it meant "no bodies", it could be it meant "absolutely nothing". I wish we didn't have to wait so long for the evidence to be presented...because we don't know anything! LE has been so tight-lipped, for obvious reasons.
 
otto said:
I'm confused. If a skin cell has been found, can it be said that bodies have been found?
As I've said before, I believe that dismemberment is a possibility. When I state "remains", I mean bodies, bones, partial bodies ... something more substantial than a skin cell; something that can be easily seen and identified with the naked eye. A skin cell may indicate that someone was at a specific location, but it does not mean that there has been a murder.
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http://www.intelihealth.com/article/dna-genes-and-chromosomes

"DNA is the chemical material you inherited from your parents. It's found in every cell in your body (except for red blood cells)."
 
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sillybilly said:
I hadn't seen this pic of DG before. I zoomed in and am wondering if that is a scar on the side/top of his head. IMO, doesn't look like regular male pattern baldness.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.scr.../f4370131-97dd-4ce4-82d4-7792ed1e99a9_500.jpg
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If you look at this photo it appears there is an indentation down the side of his forehead too. When I look at his lip in this shot it looks like a mole but when I zoom in, it appears to be a scar.

If you google the following phrase and select images you should see a couple of pics showing the end result of a craniotomy for a brain aneurysm after a reconstructive surgeon has modified the scar........

Patient had craniotomy for aneurysm over one year before and was left with a significant dent in his left temple going up into his hairline.
 
A brain injury/surgery could put an interesting twist into "What makes DG tick??" Persons who suffer brain trauma or have brain surgery are often left with deficits to some degree or another. I wonder if DG is/was possibly an epileptic? I have a brother in law who suffered terribly from epilepsy and had brain surgery which, for all intents and purposes, 'cured' him of his debilitating seizures.
 
news.talk said:
Feel free to look-up internal media structure to answer the first part of your... statement.

As for whether the reporter's two words in a recap story were correct, the answer is that IMO, no one else notices or cares.
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Hey??? No one else cares? That's HUGE information! Anyway, thanks for the tip on the media thing, appreciate it!
 
Power of Two said:
A brain injury/surgery could put an interesting twist into "What makes DG tick??" Persons who suffer brain trauma or have brain surgery are often left with deficits to some degree or another. I wonder if DG is/was possibly an epileptic? I have a brother in law who suffered terribly from epilepsy and had brain surgery which, for all intents and purposes, 'cured' him of his debilitating seizures.
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When I consider the head trauma scars, I think either scars from a brain tumour surgery or the car accident that has been referenced in court documents. I still stick to my thought that DG was the driver of the car accident that killed MH. I pursued that many threads ago.
 
sillybilly said:
I hadn't seen this pic of DG before. I zoomed in and am wondering if that is a scar on the side/top of his head. IMO, doesn't look like regular male pattern baldness.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.scr.../f4370131-97dd-4ce4-82d4-7792ed1e99a9_500.jpg
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I have a scar like that on my head as well. I got it from being hit in the head with a rock when I was young. I have a scar on the upper side of my lip as well...its from being smacked by a german shepherd after I bit his ear when I was 4.
Among other things, I'm also a hairstylist. Male pattern baldness takes on many different patterns, the way his hair is receding is absolutely possible that it is from male pattern baldness, as is the case with female pattern baldness.
Just some info. FWIW
 
news.talk said:
Can you please show me a link that definitively states when he was put on SW?

I invite you to read or re-read the link I already provided you:

http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/acts-and-regulations/843-cd-eng.shtml#s1

It states that all inmates are assessed within the first 24 hours. It also provides the policies and proceedures for what type of mental health treatment they can and cannot provide without a court order or corrections order.

I would also be VERY interested in a link for your source that stated that the suspect has not spoken at all to LE.
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He was held for more than 24 hours before they actually charged him with the crimes. They did not release his name as being the accused until the day after they picked him up. Therefore, he was not an inmate for at least 24 hours. His assessment was likely done when he was processed at the Remand for the charges, which was at least 24 hours after getting there. Prior to him being picked up and charged with the murders, he was out on bail and free to be suicidal if he so chose. He did not attempt suicide to my knowledge at that time. Therefore, IMO, his condition had deteriorated since being put in the Remand IMO. I will check and see what I can find.

As for the link for the suspect not having spoken to LE...that was a claim that someone else had previously made in this thread. I was simply referring to a remark made by someone else...or it was a supposition...a hypothetical scenario...I can't see the original comment that you're getting this from at the moment but will have a look :)
 
LoisLane said:
When I consider the head trauma scars, I think either scars from a brain tumour surgery or the car accident that has been referenced in court documents. I still stick to my thought that DG was the driver of the car accident that killed MH. I pursued that many threads ago.
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Perhaps a lab mishap ? That scarring looks thick.... Unless he's a keloid former. Looks like theres one mid forehead too. Burns? Who knows what adventures he's had given the lifestyle choices .
 
Tinkerbel1 said:
I have a scar like that on my head as well. I got it from being hit in the head with a rock when I was young. I have a scar on the upper side of my lip as well...its from being smacked by a german shepherd after I bit his ear when I was 4.
Among other things, I'm also a hairstylist. Male pattern baldness takes on many different patterns, the way his hair is receding is absolutely possible that it is from male pattern baldness, as is the case with female pattern baldness.
Just some info. FWIW
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It's the " island in the gulf pattern", I have seen the pattern as well.
 
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