Hi, everyone. I've had the last 2 days off and let myself get caught up in the opening and testimony so far. I don't think any of us had predicted how horrific the last hours could have been for the victims.
I am not sure I can see this through. Although this steadfast group needs closure, I can't help but think "lets give this family the dignity of not making their suffering public". If ever there was a case where a publication ban should be enacted, it's this one IMO. I personally don't want to hear any more about DG's fascination with women restrained and in diapers.
God bless us all.
There is a barbell beside the pullout bed. I believe when JO testified yesterday she said that when she left Nathan was sleeping downstairs. I am mixed up on which grandparent he was with.
Was the other barbell found in the garage?
I hope he wasn't going to overdose his parents with the insulin.
I hope we find out as the trial progresses.
Does anyone wear adult diapers
Does anyone have diabetes
Did you order DNA destroying and blood cleaning materials
I think they are proving how in depth DG planned this and what he planned/did
In relation to motive, although Allen Liknes has said it was about a patent dispute, the patent work and pump was done at the farm. Douglas Garland alleges that Alvin Liknes stole items from the farm - presumably the pump that Douglas Garland was building on his property.
If Garland was fired when he didn't pick Alvin up after Alvin had a vehicle breakdown, and the pump was being built on the farm, my guess is that Alvin and / or Allen went to the property and took the pump. Regardless of what happened, it doesn't seem like everything was above board on Alvin's end. Understandably he is the victim, but if there wasn't a long history of Douglas Garland being really upset about this, it wouldn't have ended this way. Liknes knew that Douglas Garland was really upset about their work relationship. I have to wonder why Liknes didn't do something resolve the problem ... we haven't heard anything about how Liknes tried to pay for the work completed by Douglas or give him due credit for the work. All we hear is that Douglas Garland was being "petty", but that isn't how it looks to me.
The whole thing is beyond tragic.
I think we will hear a lot more on injustices (real or perceived) done by AL to DG. I bet there's a long list....
So bodies are seen - I read that bodies were never found?
Questioning seems rather bizarre and random to me sometimes. I wonder why they would ask if anyone has diabetes?
I also found it interesting that the crown asked Doreen if Douglas played any musical instruments to which she replied no, and then they confirmed with her that there wasn't a piano in the house.
You're right. I just can't help but wonder if Douglas Garland had been shown some respect for his work and valued or validated when he felt cheated, maybe this could all have been avoided. Still today we have the prosecution using words like "petty" to describe what I don't yet view as "petty". We hear that he was fired for a reason that makes no sense to every person who expects to be treated with respect. The suspect was seeing a psychiatrist on a weekly basis, yet we also know that his buttons were, and still are, being pushed. That's what I don't understand. It's obvious that Garland went over the edge psychiatrically. Was that inevitable, or could circumstances have been managed to avoid this result.
Alvin claims that the patent resulted in little money, so why was it a problem to amend the patent owners and add Garland? It wasn't a financial loss, and it would have resolved the dispute. Patti and Allen knew it was an ongoing problem, so presumably Alvin knew it was a problem. Why let it fester?
You're right. I just can't help but wonder if Douglas Garland had been shown some respect for his work and valued or validated when he felt cheated, maybe this could all have been avoided. Still today we have the prosecution using words like "petty" to describe what I don't yet view as "petty". We hear that he was fired for a reason that makes no sense to every person who expects to be treated with respect. The suspect was seeing a psychiatrist on a weekly basis, yet we also know that his buttons were, and still are, being pushed. That's what I don't understand. It's obvious that Garland went over the edge psychiatrically. Was that inevitable, or could circumstances have been managed to avoid this result.
Alvin claims that the patent resulted in little money, so why was it a problem to amend the patent owners and add Garland? It wasn't a financial loss, and it would have resolved the dispute. Patti and Allen knew it was an ongoing problem, so presumably Alvin knew it was a problem. Why let it fester?
Can anyone make out what the evidence marker #83 is in the photo? Is it book(s) or boxes? I zoomed in on the pic, but can't make it out.
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I disagree. I do not think this could have been avoided. Douglas would have killed someone, anyone eventually because I think he obsessed and fantasized about torture and murder and wanted to act it out one way or another in his life.
He fixated his attention on Alvin and it escalated to include Kathy in his plan and eventually little Nathan. If he had simply "snapped" he could have got a gun and did a mass shooting of the whole family. He obsessed over gruesome acts, meticulously planned and I think enjoyed this. If it wasn't the Liknes' who were his victims it would've been someone else who was in his life path that "wronged" him. I think he was a time bomb waiting to go off period, JMO.
I've dealt with enough 'petty' and narcissistic people in my life to know that sometimes they think they're entitled to something that they're not. They thinking they're owed something doesn't make it so ... should we humour these people and give them what they demand? Should we give in to their over inflated self worth and say 'yes, even though you didn't actually write the book you just suggested the name of the character, we'll put you down as co author and give you 50% of the royalties' ... the way I see it, it doesn't matter what Alvin did or didn't owe Garland, it would never have been enough. There would always be something to set Garland off. If he'd been paid it would be that he hadn't been paid enough, if his name was on a patent it would be that he'd want his name first not second ... I can't agree with you, that this might not have happened should Alvin have given in to Garlands demands.You're right. I just can't help but wonder if Douglas Garland had been shown some respect for his work and valued or validated when he felt cheated, maybe this could all have been avoided. Still today we have the prosecution using words like "petty" to describe what I don't yet view as "petty". We hear that he was fired for a reason that makes no sense to every person who expects to be treated with respect. The suspect was seeing a psychiatrist on a weekly basis, yet we also know that his buttons were, and still are, being pushed. That's what I don't understand. It's obvious that Garland went over the edge psychiatrically. Was that inevitable, or could circumstances have been managed to avoid this result.
Alvin claims that the patent resulted in little money, so why was it a problem to amend the patent owners and add Garland? It wasn't a financial loss, and it would have resolved the dispute. Patti and Allen knew it was an ongoing problem, so presumably Alvin knew it was a problem. Why let it fester?