Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #7

[lucipurr]

Not sure how the public can come forth with info for LE unless we have intimate knowledge of the situation or have seen them around. Aside from that the public has little information to draw from coming from LE.

I think there are more people involved than the LE has told us, they are probably hoping one of these people will give them info imo

 

[Oceangirl]

Wow Otto...you are talented!

Someone above referenced tunnel vision and the risk of investigators going down that path.

I'm wondering if it is not timely for the Police to release other pieces of information to the public - that won't jeopardize their case; that is, if they have anything.

It seems so far, the public has been instrumental in a few things, including identification of the truck, the business dealings of AL and KL, etc..

This may help broaden the scope if they are at the point of reaching a bit of a dry spell. The public is just following their lead...maybe it's time to give more.

Curious about any police visiting Mexico? Panama?

 

[greenthumb]

Websleuths, O'B and L case in the news...

http://www2.canada.com/calgaryherald/iphone/news/latest/story.html?id=10026298


"Armchair detectives trying to crack missing persons case on web forum
Sunday, July 13, 2014"

Many of us feel that LE are withholding a lot of information (too much, possibly? ) from the public on this case. And, as illustrated in the article linked above, crime forums such as this are very much on the radar of LE and the media these days. I wonder if there is some correlation there?

I believe that LE may have to play their hand very differently these days, knowing that even the smallest detail they release will be dissected and researched and viewed from every possible angle by online sleuths. It would not be surprising to me if they felt that tighter security on information is necessary to protect the course of their investigation from being somehow compromised by this fairly recent and totally unregulated, anonymous form of public involvement. They would also need to consider that some of the speculation/theories/avenues of investigation on these forums may, even unwittingly, result in unnecessary pain and even harm, to individuals close to the investigation - be they the victims' families or POI's.

In a way, it's another form of crowd control that LE must concern themselves with alongside the primary investigation, IMO.

So while there may be insights and information generated that is helpful to the LE investigation, I am aware that there can be a flip side to online crime forums, as well - which is why I am very thankful for the vigilance and common sense demonstrated by the mods on this forum! thank you, Mods!

 

[daniela40]

Wow Otto...you are talented!

Someone above referenced tunnel vision and the risk of investigators going down that path.

I'm wondering if it is not timely for the Police to release other pieces of information to the public - that won't jeopardize their case; that is, if they have anything.

It seems so far, the public has been instrumental in a few things, including identification of the truck, the business dealings of AL and KL, etc..

This may help broaden the scope if they are at the point of reaching a bit of a dry spell. The public is just following their lead...maybe it's time to give more.

Curious about any police visiting Mexico? Panama?

I also think LE are certain that these three people are deceased (sorry, I know that's painful to read), therefore they are REALLY taking their time.

I feel like if they thought they were still alive AND if they knew who did it, they'd still have DG in custody and the heat would be on.


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[lucipurr]

My dad was a police officer with the calgary police for 35 years, as frustrating as it is there is most definitely a reason the LE is withholding info from the general public, which can be a positive thing because that could mean they are still hopeful on their safe return.

 

[violet56]

What I mean is regular hangouts for teens in the Airdrie area. There must be places where teens got together to party on the weekends.

All we can hope is that LE is investigating that avenue as well.

 

[lucipurr]

lol airdrie & party in the same sentence

 

[Cherchri]

All we can hope is that LE is investigating that avenue as well.

I just don't think DG was ever a party goer. He is invariably described as a loner.

 

[littlewhip]

Being new to this I have spent the past several hours reviewing the threads. My thoughts

1. JO says NO 'was in the wrong place at the wrong time'. This tells me that she knows either through the police or otherwise that the targets were AL and/or KL.

2. The business dealings of AL and to a lesser extent KL are what I feel are the most likely catalysts. We are being very critical of these business dealings however as someone else indicated they are quite common in the O&G business. The difference is we are aware of this families business dealings.

3. I definitely believe the police know more and particularly about DG. I feel sure he is involved in some way. I just don't know to what extent.

4. LE definitely know who was medically compromised at the scene. Their early release that indicated NO could be with AL gives the impression that KL was injured. The release of that info would really held define our thinking.

5. I know the LE continue to say that they are still considering this a missing persons and hope to find them alive. I am less confident of this.

 

[LoisLane]

They sold the home to a lawyer I believe in 2013. They had an arrangement to live in it with the new owner, probably renting it or part of the purchase agreement.

 

[Snoop Sister]

Not sure how the public can come forth with info for LE unless we have intimate knowledge of the situation or have seen them around. Aside from that the public has little information to draw from coming from LE.

Exactly

 

[PrincessButtercup]

lol airdrie & party in the same sentence

Are you kidding? ?? I went to some of the best parties in Airdrie when I was in high school!

 

[violet56]

I just don't think DG was ever a party goer. He is invariably described as a loner.

Perhaps not, but if he did live in the area from the time he was 13 I think he certainly would be very familiar with every nook and cranny of Airdrie

 

[Unsolved]

Sorry if this has already been posted. This item from their neighborhood newsletter in Spring 2008 is eerie:

Crime Watch! - Beware
Connie Ruben writes:
The reason for my writing this to all of you has little to do with our robbery, but what I have found out since. Several of our neighbours have reported a visitor by a man, clean cut and kind in nature, who stated he was looking for his long lost grandmother. He said that she lived in this area and that he was trying to find her.

This man comes across as such a kind soul that one of our neighbours actually let him into the house to use the bathroom.

We believe this is the man who broke into our home. The police also feel that this man rings door bells during the light of day to assess if anyone is home. Once he realizes there is no one home, the robbery is either committed then, or maybe the next day when does the same routine.

In our case, we were gone for several days, but the break in could have happened if it were just a regular work day. This man is a pro and according to the police has been doing this for quite some time.

In one case a lady was hurt as she came home while the robbery was going on. In our case, a large butcher knife was on the counter, which the police believe the robber was using in case we came home. (BBM)

Neighbours Beware. Be on the look out and be diligently cautious as you open your door. Please contact the police if this any person matching this description comes to your door.

pdf http://www.parkhillstanleypark.ca/_literature_31486/Spring_Newsletter_2008

Now six years later and here I am wondering if they ever caught this person...

Also thinking today about posts back on thread #2, #212 Wondergirl and JLSCHook #217, who posted about a comment someone made on a site that the missing couple was giving out their address and date of their estate sale to Century Casino (Edmonton) patrons a while back and maybe that wasn't such a smart idea:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ry-boy-grandparents/article19449772/comments/

Ugh it still scares me to think of all the possible perps (besides thinking of the possible business angles) who knew of their sale and it's possible proceeds. I'm sure LE agrees

 

[Cherchri]

Being new to this I have spent the past several hours reviewing the threads. My thoughts

1. JO says NO 'was in the wrong place at the wrong time'. This tells me that she knows either through the police or otherwise that the targets were AL and/or KL.

2. The business dealings of AL and to a lesser extent KL are what I feel are the most likely catalysts. We are being very critical of these business dealings however as someone else indicated they are quite common in the O&G business. The difference is we are aware of this families business dealings.

3. I definitely believe the police know more and particularly about DG. I feel sure he is involved in some way. I just don't know to what extent.

4. LE definitely know who was medically compromised at the scene. Their early release that indicated NO could be with AL gives the impression that KL was injured. The release of that info would really held define our thinking.

5. I know the LE continue to say that they are still considering this a missing persons and hope to find them alive. I am less confident of this.

Welcome - great post! I agree wholeheartedly with your insightful precis

 

[violet56]

Ugh it still scares me to think of all the possible perps (besides thinking of the possible business angles) who knew of their sale and it's possible proceeds. I'm sure LE agrees

I try not to think about that aspect too much as in reality we know nothing - absolutely nothing and all we can do is speculate about what actually happened - so very upsetting for all involved

 

[ElleElle]

Yes, but the point I was making was the reporter's use of the direct quote on the word "everything" conveying an impression that AL was possibly a sleazy businessman and there was some dirt to be uncovered. Yes, there may be upset employees as a result of the company bankruptcy, but businesses go belly up all the time .. doesn't necessarily equate to their owners being underhanded.

ETA: I think I've misunderstood part of your post. Don't mind me ... it's 41C where I am today and the trusty box fan bit the dust last nite. I cannot be held responsible for "anything" I say today :floorlaugh:

It's all good. I just think the circumstances and timing are odd. I am throwing other possibilities, and anything could have occurred that night.

BBM ~ :hot: It's 38C here too. I'm in the BC Interior. Stay hydrated!

 

[Leeman68]

I have a question for the forum members. Much of the news says the child was in the wrong place at the wrong time. If something bad did happen to the grandparents - why would they involve the child?? If there was a threat of violence against the grandparents why would the child's parents leave the youngster there overnight?

Obviously, the parents didn't know this, if this was indeed the case.

 

[lucipurr]

No parent in their right mind would put a child in danger if they had any insight there was something to be worried about. I think her saying "he wasn't supposed to be there" just went with the fact that it was a spontaneous sleepover.

 

[ilovepierre]

Didn't see this asked/answered anywhere....did the recent search at the L residence result in any evidence being removed?