Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #4

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Tortoise, they are *good*. A few small things might be altered but often they've been the most unbiased and precise reports available. IMO
Newspapers all have their own biases, right? Frank tells it like it is, a lot of the time. IMO
They claim to be satirical, and are on lesser issues....IMO its a bit of a legal loophole. Just joking sorta thing with much lesser things and politics. Gives them a bit of leeway. IMO
 
I cannot believe that anyone would seriously rank the believeability and/or accuracy of a Frank article ahead of the content of an article written by an identified, experienced reporter who is employed by an established news organization, and whose column and column contents (and perhaps even sources) are vetted by in house legal counsel. Imo
 
Tortoise said:
Interesting, thanks dotr. I'm going to satisfy my curiosity and look into that one you've linked.
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If you are referencing the murdered LE, i have to admit since i posted on that thread- that i chose to "ignore" anything less than flattering about the woman and did not read the article.fwiw.
 
ldlager said:
I cannot believe that anyone would seriously rank the believeability and/or accuracy of a Frank article ahead of the content of an article written by an identified, experienced reporter who is employed by an established news organization, and whose column and column contents (and perhaps even sources) are vetted by in house legal counsel. Imo
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If you're referring to Joe Warmington at the Toronto Sun, I have no choice but to go with Frank Magazine. Back in mid-December, the Toronto Sun told me I'd had my allotted 5 articles for the month, so I waited until a new month & a new year. But they still give me the same pay-wall message, so I have to get my info from other sources. Very frustrating!
 
Many will recall the in depth discussion that took place on this forum when the bodies were removed. It was widely noted and discussed that one body (thought to be BS) was not flat, but appeared to be sitting up under the grey tarp covering the body. The other body that was wheeled out appeared to be lying flat on the gurney under the tarp. Some posters speculated that this difference in appearance could indicate that the bodies were in different states of rigor mortis, indicating perhaps that they did not die at close to the same time. If this is in fact accurate, the theory being espoused and written about here that the supposed killers killed them both immediately and then promptly fled the scene cannot be accurate. LE will know from the state of rm if they were killed closely in time. I do not believe they died near the same time, but that is jmo.
 
Veeduck said:
If you're referring to Joe Warmington at the Toronto Sun, I have no choice but to go with Frank Magazine. Back in mid-December, the Toronto Sun told me I'd had my allotted 5 articles for the month, so I waited until a new month & a new year. But they still give me the same pay-wall message, so I have to get my info from other sources. Very frustrating!
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Veeduck I'm pretty sure Jw doesn't control that. In any event, try clearing your cookies on your pc when you get that warning and you will be good to go!
 
Apotex Holdings Inc. and Apotex Inc., Canadian companies in the pharmaceutical industry, have filed claims under the ICSID Additional Facility Rules for alleged injuries arising out of Import Alerts issued by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration concerning two of Apotex’s Canadian manufacturing facilities. Apotex seeks at least $520 million in damages for alleged violations of NAFTA Articles
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https://www.state.gov/s/l/c50826.htm

Award (2014): https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/233043.pdf
 
Jasper52 said:
I read somewhere he was named in the Paradise Papers but can't locate where I read it.
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Apologies if this has already been answered, trying to catch up.

Found a link to the database in this news article:
Is your boss dodging taxes offshore? Help us search the Paradise Papers
https://www.thestar.com/news/paradi...shore-help-us-search-the-paradise-papers.html

I only searched for "Apotex" and got 2 search results, but I don't know if these 2 companies are (or were) connected to BS:
 
ldlager said:
Many will recall the in depth discussion that took place on this forum when the bodies were removed. It was widely noted and discussed that one body (thought to be BS) was not flat, but appeared to be sitting up under the grey tarp covering the body. The other body that was wheeled out appeared to be lying flat on the gurney under the tarp. Some posters speculated that this difference in appearance could indicate that the bodies were in different states of rigor mortis, indicating perhaps that they did not die at close to the same time. If this is in fact accurate, the theory being espoused and written about here that the supposed killers killed them both immediately and then promptly fled the scene cannot be accurate. LE will know from the state of rm if they were killed closely in time. I do not believe they died near the same time, but that is jmo.
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I wasn't convinced one of them was lying flat.

But even if it was and I am wrong, we don't know that the bodies were in identical death positions and I'm not even sure that the length of rigor mortis would be identical in two corpses, it may depend on weight and state of health or other factors.
 
ldlager said:
Many will recall the in depth discussion that took place on this forum when the bodies were removed. It was widely noted and discussed that one body (thought to be BS) was not flat, but appeared to be sitting up under the grey tarp covering the body. The other body that was wheeled out appeared to be lying flat on the gurney under the tarp. Some posters speculated that this difference in appearance could indicate that the bodies were in different states of rigor mortis, indicating perhaps that they did not die at close to the same time. If this is in fact accurate, the theory being espoused and written about here that the supposed killers killed them both immediately and then promptly fled the scene cannot be accurate. LE will know from the state of rm if they were killed closely in time. I do not believe they died near the same time, but that is jmo.
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IMO, by the time the bodies were removed RM may have worn off. As Tortoise stated, too many variables about TOD unless one has access to autopsy report. Same with stomach contents etc. Very variable. IMO
 
Hazel said:
Apologies if this has already been answered, trying to catch up.

Found a link to the database in this news article:
Is your boss dodging taxes offshore? Help us search the Paradise Papers
https://www.thestar.com/news/paradi...shore-help-us-search-the-paradise-papers.html

I only searched for "Apotex" and got 2 search results, but I don't know if these 2 companies are (or were) connected to BS:
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Looks like the first one was dissolved in the 90’s and the other one a few years sgo?
 
I'm not an expert but, rigor can come and go out of body over the course of hours, and to different extents.
I wouldn't put too much speculation on the body outline in the coroners zip up bags.
I read a comment somewhere "how they were covered with velvet blankets". Sounds nice, but, it's usually whatever zip up is available to take with the gurney. They aren't velvet, but a flocked material with plastic or rubber on the inside.
Nothing fancy about them.
I would imagine police told the removal people to gather whatever was attached to the body, and place it inside with victim. Keeping everything together for exam, and I would suspect police witnessed this to keep chain of possession of evidence. Some times, they will gather the body and place in the bag, in the manner found ie face down maybe with knife still inserted etc. If BS had a belly ponch, it might be noticeable in the outline.
If their arms were restrained behind them with coats still on, it would make body outline larger etc.
 
Not completely O/T but in the JonBenet Ramsey case it is thought that the ME broke her rigor mortis because she was photographed lying in different positions on the floor of her home before being taken out on the gurney. She was in full rigor mortis at the time the ME arrived.
 
O/T Thank you so much dotr. I am still laughing/crying at that song. Please pass a tissue? IMO
 
ldlager said:
I cannot believe that anyone would seriously rank the believeability and/or accuracy of a Frank article ahead of the content of an article written by an identified, experienced reporter who is employed by an established news organization, and whose column and column contents (and perhaps even sources) are vetted by in house legal counsel. Imo
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Who are you referring to? Whether true or purely speculation, the Frank article offers a greater depth of possibilities but I hadn't noticed it directly contradicted the reportings of any one reporter. MSM has published very little in the way of content to date (not surprising).

ETA: Warmington? It's fair to say everyone is scratching their heads!

"WARMINGTON: Questions surround deaths of billionaire couple

Some stunning new details about the gruesome discovery of the bodies of Toronto billionaires Honey and Barry Sherman have investigators scratching their heads on why were they killed?

Was this a double homicide? A murder-suicide?

In what Toronto Police call the “suspicious deaths” of Apotex founder and owner Barry Sherman and his popular and charitable wife, Honey that have shocked the city, there are as many questions as answers....."
http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-mystery-shrouds-deaths-of-billionaire-couple
 
Veeduck said:
If you're referring to Joe Warmington at the Toronto Sun, I have no choice but to go with Frank Magazine. Back in mid-December, the Toronto Sun told me I'd had my allotted 5 articles for the month, so I waited until a new month & a new year. But they still give me the same pay-wall message, so I have to get my info from other sources. Very frustrating!
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The Toronto Sun, National Post and many other paywalls limiting the number of views are not very rigid. Just delete their cookies and you can go back.
 
I was referring to the previous discussions around the relability of information provided to msm by what has been referred to as police sources. IMO frank magazine should not be relied upon as a source of serious and verified information.
 
ldlager said:
I was referring to the previous discussions around the relability of information provided to msm by what has been referred to as police sources. IMO frank magazine should not be relied upon as a source of serious and verified information.
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IMO, one is more likely to get decent 'sources' from Frank Mag, as its open to ALL MSM people and others to write an article.

Frank is marketed as a satirical magazine but back in the day they were called 'Tip Sheets'.

We've had it at our house for years and the accuracy rate is quite high because there is usually no byline.

IMO its fairly reliable and sometimes very funny. Makes me smile on a dreary day.

So, we can agree to disagree?
 
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