Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #8

[Kerry Winter]

During your various media appearances and interviews I recall you saying that you were probably viewed as a suspect.

Do you still think so?

That the Price and Gones considered me a prime suspect was laughable. How can l be a suspect when both detectives know the truth.

 

[Kerry Winter]

It is a great leap to take, that the fact that he said nothing, means that there is nothing to say. Given the fact that you are at the very least, someone who has admitted wanting to do physical harm to Barry, why on earth would anyone feel like because you agreed to a interview, that this means that you may be made privy to inside information?

I asked Klatt tongue in cheek. How could he be closer to solving the double murders when there weren’t double murders. Towards the end of our only meeting, where l told him how l know it was M/S...he asked me to “come down from my high horse” and would l be interested in sitting down with Jonathon. I guess, to shut me up.

 

[1&2&3]

Yes, I remember this. One of her daughters was expecting and this new house would be close to her and the new grand baby.

Good points!

I’m unable to find the source and it’s too late to dig through earlier threads but I’m almost certain that early on it was stated that one of the reasons the Shermans were building the new house was because of its location and Honey would be closer to her grandchildren.

Does anyone else remember that?

 

[Kerry Winter]

Good points!

I’m unable to find the source and it’s too late to dig through earlier threads but I’m almost certain that early on it was stated that one of the reasons the Shermans were building the new house was because of its location and Honey would be closer to her grandchildren.

Does anyone else remember that?

The 3 daughters hadn’t lived in Toronto for years.

 

[1&2&3]

Why did all the children fall out with their parents? Was it Barry’s odd personality/temperament? With him working many hours, did they feel neglected by him?

What happened with Honey? With her sweet name and her looks, one would think she adored being a Mother and the children were her top priority. Since Barry was a work alcoholic and gone so much, she probably had Nannies to help her as well as other help in the house.

To see such a successful couple who appear to have it all, anything they want, one would think the children were happy, successful young adults who grew up in a loving home.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I think you're reading too much into it. There is quite an age gap between her and the other three, plus she had her own child there to look after, and he appeared to be pretty upset & uncomfortable.

I remember, that JS expressly thanked his older sister for having paved the way for the 3 younger siblings re their parents (wording maybe not the same but similar). I found that remarkable and very special, knowing that there are also differences between the oldest and the three younger ones re surrogacy.
If the oldest would have had a split relationship with her mother (parents?), I can very well imagine, why. This girl had endured in her most important childhood years, parents/a mother who wanted to have more children, seemingly come hell or high water. Her mother had some miscarriages and that sad and difficult time ended in having 3 more children by surrogacy. - All that can't have been an untroubled time for the first and (for years) only daughter. This first daughter has my greater compassion than her siblings.
IMO + MOO of course.

 

[JDG]

I remember, that JS expressly thanked his older sister for having paved the way for the 3 younger siblings re their parents (wording maybe not the same but similar). I found that remarkable and very special, knowing that there are also differences between the oldest and the three younger ones re surrogacy.
If the oldest would have had a split relationship with her mother (parents?), I can very well imagine, why. This girl had endured in her most important childhood years, parents/a mother who wanted to have more children, seemingly come hell or high water. Her mother had some miscarriages and that sad and difficult time ended in having 3 more children by surrogacy. - All that can't have been an untroubled time for the first and (for years) only daughter. IMO + MOO of course.

And, it seems that BS was forever telling people that Honey had one child and the rest were his children!! Talk about over sharing! Most wives wouldnt stand for that but BS had his own ideas and in his writings he stated that it was important for his genetics to be passed along (or something very similar).

All of that, before the arrival of the surrogate children, would have put pressure onto the marriage during a painful time. No great for the daughter.

IMO, it seems cruel to toss that at your wife frequently.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

And, it seems that BS was forever telling people that Honey had one child and the rest were his children!! Talk about over sharing! Most wives wouldnt stand for that but BS had his own ideas and in his writings he stated that it was important for his genetics to be passed along (or something very similar).

All of that, before the arrival of the surrogate children, would have put pressure onto the marriage during a painful time. No great for the daughter.

IMO, it seems cruel to toss that at your wife frequently.

JDG, I just read you post #924, where you already mentioned part of what I said. Sorry, but I'm reading backwards from new to old posts.
Aha, I didn't know, that BS made differences between the first (Honey's) and the three others (his) children. That's even worse. Poor Honey, poor innocent children, OMG.
There is an odd family "tradition" re adoptive children (Kerry's family No. 1 and No. 2) and if not that, then even children via surrogacy. Growing a "disfunctional" family was pretty much predetermined, I think.
IMO

 

[nuff]

Aha, I didn't know, that BS made differences between the first (Honey's) and the three others (his) children. That's even worse. Poor Honey, poor innocent children, OMG.
IMO

Is there a source for this, other than hearsay? Although I find it odd that the surrogacy, which would have been unusual at that time, was well-known, I don't recall reading this in any reliable news report.

 

[ldlager]

The 3 daughters hadn’t lived in Toronto for years.

The reference was to Jonathan and his partner I believe. They live in Toronto.

 

[ldlager]

I keep coming back to the earring. My speculation- attackers wait outside for honey to arrive home. She parks at the top of the driveway, and struggle ensues when she gets out of her vehicle. In the struggle, the earring is knocked to the ground. Her keys are used to access the house and she is forced to divulge alarm code or confirm no alarm is armed. After the crime the killers could have used the keys to lock the door on the way out. When staff arrived on Friday was the door locked?- This is important. I believe it must have been locked, and so LE spent a couple of weeks trying to find either her keys, or her missing earring imo. I can’t explain how they didn’t find the earring, which eventually washed down to the bottom of the driveway as snow melted and with foot traffic.
My other question- I wonder if anyone accessed the house between wed night and Friday morning? If so, who and why?

 

[dotr]

Is there a source for this, other than hearsay? Although I find it odd that the surrogacy, which would have been unusual at that time, was well-known, I don't recall reading this in any reliable news report.

‘Yin and yang’: Barry and Honey Sherman were polar opposites who devoted themselves to philanthropy

"At home, the Shermans had four kids; three girls and a boy. The first, Lauren, was born in 1975 – after which Honey suffered several miscarriages, according to a 2008 Toronto Life profile."

"Jonathon was born in 1983 by surrogacy, according to the TO Life profile – a time where such a procedure was rare in Canada. At the service, he mentioned that he and his husband, Fred, are now going through the surrogacy process themselves".

"A third child, Alex, was born in 1986. The youngest, Kaelen, was born in 1990, the same year the family moved to their custom-built home in North York, on Old Colony Road."

"She was disappointed by her youngest daughter Kaelen's plans to have a destination wedding next May."

 

[MistyWaters]

That the Price and Gones considered me a prime suspect was laughable. How can l be a suspect when both detectives know the truth.

Do you believe you had a personal influence on a M/S scenario occurring? Is that why you think you know the truth?

 

[dotr]

And, it seems that BS was forever telling people that Honey had one child and the rest were his children!! Talk about over sharing! Most wives wouldnt stand for that but BS had his own ideas and in his writings he stated that it was important for his genetics to be passed along (or something very similar).

All of that, before the arrival of the surrogate children, would have put pressure onto the marriage during a painful time. No great for the daughter.

IMO, it seems cruel to toss that at your wife frequently.

rbbm.
How Barry Sherman built his multibillion-dollar fortune
"Casually he informed me that Lauren, his oldest daughter, is his wife’s only “natural” child. Honey suffered several miscarriages after her birth. When it looked as if they couldn’t have more children, they decided against adoption and opted for surrogacy. As a committed Darwinian, he naturally favoured the preservation of his genetic material. In the early 1980s, surrogacy had just become an option in the U.S. It’s likely that his son, Jonathon, was the first child in Canada born to a surrogate mother. “It worked fine.”

 

[MistyWaters]

How Barry Sherman built his multibillion-dollar fortune
"Casually he informed me that Lauren, his oldest daughter, is his wife’s only “natural” child. Honey suffered several miscarriages after her birth. When it looked as if they couldn’t have more children, they decided against adoption and opted for surrogacy. As a committed Darwinian, he naturally favoured the preservation of his genetic material. In the early 1980s, surrogacy had just become an option in the U.S. It’s likely that his son, Jonathon, was the first child in Canada born to a surrogate mother. “It worked fine.”

Decades ago, adoptions were hushed secret often leading to damaging and vicious gossip “I know she was never pregnant, so who’s child is that...?” Then came the resentment from those same children, sometimes not learning until adulthood the details of their birth.

Surrogate children, adopted children, all chosen, really no difference. Thankfully we reached a time of open mindedness when it’s no longer embarrassing that some females are unable to “reproduce” in the traditional manner and parents no longer have to hum and haw or keep secrets. They can proudly talk about it and that’s just how it should be imo.

It’s not clear if Barry or the reporter was the source of the words “committed Darwinian” but I suppose it could be said all natural birth parents are “committed Darwinians” including those who go the IVF route as well.

 

[dotr]

Decades ago, adoptions were hushed secret often leading to damaging and vicious gossip “I know she was never pregnant, so who’s child is that...?” Then came the resentment from those same children, sometimes not learning until adulthood the details of their birth.

Surrogate children, adopted children, all chosen, really no difference. Thankfully we reached a time of open mindedness when it’s no longer embarrassing that some females are unable to “reproduce” in the traditional manner and parents no longer have to hum and haw or keep secrets. They can proudly talk about it and that’s just how it should be imo.

It’s not clear if Barry or the reporter was the source of the words “committed Darwinian” but I suppose it could be said all natural birth parents are “committed Darwinians” including those who go the IVF route as well.

rbbm.
Damaging vicious gossip was usually leveled at the birth mom, not the adoptive one, imo.
Regarding Darwinism, this W.A. movie comes to mind, lol!
Mighty Aphrodite from Mighty Aphrodite (1995)

 

[JDG]

rbbm.
Damaging vicious gossip was usually leveled at the birth mom, not the adoptive one, imo.
Regarding Darwinism, t

Within an adoption triange, the vicious comments and gossip goes to all parties involved, including the children.

There is an assumption that the adoptive parents 'cannot have' their own children which is not always true.

The birth mother gets it for having abandoned her child.

The child is told that 'they're not really your parents', 'you are not really a family', 'she/he is not really your sister/brother'.

Some people say 'gee, they act like real brother and sister' about two adopted children in one family. And on it goes.

 

[MistyWaters]

Within an adoption triange, the vicious comments and gossip goes to all parties involved, including the children.

There is an assumption that the adoptive parents 'cannot have' their own children which is not always true.

The birth mother gets it for having abandoned her child.

The child is told that 'they're not really your parents', 'you are not really a family', 'she/he is not really your sister/brother'.

Some people say 'gee, they act like real brother and sister' about two adopted children in one family. And on it goes.

I agree, there used to be an insinuation that adopted children, or I suppose surrogate children as well, didn’t quite belong - which is why many parents today now proudly acknowledge that fact, to attempt to break that earlier ridiculous and hurtful misperception.

 

[JDG]

The ignorance of strangers or not, will always supersede the acknowledgement of the adoptive family members. Being proud doesn't ease or cure it.

 

[taylorss]

Sorry if I missed this, but could someone restate the possible relevance of BS’s involvement in developing a marijuana pill? Is the idea that he might have been targeted by a drug cartel? Thanks.