CANADA Canada - Ben Tyner, 32, cowboy, his horse returned w/o him, Merritt, British Columbia, 26 Jan 2019

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Agreed. I think it’s one of those rumors that just somehow became fact.

I think no tracks leading from Ben’s barn is the driving force behind this theory.
Now, there should have been some foot impressions in the snow near his stable or where he (or someone) tacked Gunny. Maybe some tire tracks, too. Something seems to keep RCMP on this line of thinking, imo.
 
IMO, once news breaks on this story, it will unfold completely. I also feel once the MCU joined the investigation, there was evidence of criminal activity. Otherwise, why involve them? Of course we understand RCMP not revealing too much.
I am so waiting for something to break. Ben needs to be found, needs justice if he was harmed, and needs to be back in WY with his family. His poor family. Heartbreaking is an overused word, but it is just that.
 
I am so waiting for something to break. Ben needs to be found, needs justice if he was harmed, and needs to be back in WY with his family. His poor family. Heartbreaking is an overused word, but it is just that.

In this time, we rarely hear of a man so down to earth & happy with the simple life. It seems Ben was born to be a rancher, his family must be so pleased he got to live his dream, even if for a short while.
 
No witnesses have come forward. Only KR who found the horse and stated there were no tracks from Ben's horse leading FROM the ranch. Only backtracking horse (At least front hooves shod) to where it last was with a herd of wild horses. (Not shod) Tracks apparently lost among the many. These statements have been reported in previous MSM articles.
That is really suspicious to me. No tracks leaving from the ranch, just tracks on the way back. I wonder, were there tracks of the horse leading towards an area where a trailer would be? Was there footprints of Bens with the horses tracks, too?
 
That is really suspicious to me. No tracks leaving from the ranch, just tracks on the way back. I wonder, were there tracks of the horse leading towards an area where a trailer would be? Was there footprints of Bens with the horses tracks, too?
Reading KR's statements, (the hunter/tracker who found and tied Ben's horse to a tree and called it in), no sign of Ben. Even searches in area where horse was found and backtracked too, no sign of Ben. Only tracks from horse back to where it had come from when KR found it which would have been in opposite direction from ranch area. These tracks led back to a herd of wild horses tracks. Somehow Ben's horse ended up hanging out with this herd before tracking towards where KR found him. Possibly the herd encouraged Gunny to move on by not welcoming him. JMO
 
Snipped and BBM- First, that bolded sentence contradicts itself and it bothers me. I'm probably reading into it too much, but I have some questions about this "call in" procedure.

-Was the solo person supposed to inform someone at the ranch before they left? Who were they to report to? Supervisor or just any employee? How official was this procedure? Does it apply to all employees on and off the clock? Or only to employees that are leaving directly from the ranch and/or traveling on the ranch? Is the procedure followed all the time? Did Ben have a history of going out alone or was this a first time thing? Would he have known about or remembered the procedure? How were employees to "call in" if there wasn't reception? Did I remember reading Ben wouldn't/didn't take his phone because there was no reception?

You are asking a lot of good questions.
BT does have a known history of being safety conscious. He also has a known history of riding out to look for strays on his days off.
You are remembering correctly that it has been stated repeatedly in MSM that he didn't take his phone with him, something I gather is often done in that area, due to poor or nonexistent signal availability.

I can give you a little insight into how the cowboys I've worked with have handled the scenarios you are mentioning.

Most farms, both large & small, always have a general rule that you should notify someone that you are heading out for a solo ride. "Notifying" could mean a call in to someone, but more realistically it would be notifying whoever you encounter in passing as you prepare to head out. When you ride as much as BT does, you inevitably end up riding alone sometimes, for a variety of reasons, so I would assume he has ridden by himself, many times. Most professional riders have.

Most cowboys, and specifically most managers, are very tied to the general care of livestock. That care takes place 7 days a week, so "days off" do not mean you literally have no work that needs to be tended to on the ranch; it may mean you have a more simplified list of chores to do, but most likely you will STILL be interacting with at least some of the animals that are in your care or that you care about. So I do find it curious that it has not been made known if anyone thought BT to be missing or absent prior to local ranchers returning his horse to NR & figuring out who the owner is.

I can see how nobody noticed his horse missing, because his horse most likely was kept in a herd & it was not noticed that he was missing until he returned. But on some level, I wonder about that too.

There is a constant level of danger, daily, working with livestock & horses. However, those of us who live on farms and do the daily work that takes place on farms really become familiar & very comfortable with that. Therefore, certain things/activities that to a weekend rider or non rider would seem dangerous, are part of a normal day for some of us.

For example, I literally just came in from an unexpected ride out to the woods behind a back field to find and pony in a horse who sustained an injury. Should I have notified someone I was riding out? Yes. Did I? No. I didn't want to wait for someone else to be available and didn't take the time to call because the weather was about to change & I wanted to get that horse in quickly & knew I could. Is that poor judgement, regarding my own safety? Probably, yes. But to those who ride daily, it really does become part of your normal daily routine and and doesn't stand strongly out as something "out of the ordinary". I will admit though, that BT crossed my mind as I headed out & I will be making a better effort to notify someone every time I head out.

In my opinion, there are many reasons why BT could have taken his horse out that day on his "day off". Many who know him figured he was out looking for strays, which he has been known to do on his days off. Some MSM reports have said he may have had a drone with him. Initial reports stated he would be dressed for the weather conditions, which gives the impression LE had an idea of what boots, gear, etc. he may have had on based on what he normally wore, as well as what was not at his place.

This is absolutely heartbreaking. I hope & pray new information, leading to BT, comes to light very soon.
 
Snipped and BBM- First, that bolded sentence contradicts itself and it bothers me. I'm probably reading into it too much, but I have some questions about this "call in" procedure.

-Was the solo person supposed to inform someone at the ranch before they left? Who were they to report to? Supervisor or just any employee? How official was this procedure? Does it apply to all employees on and off the clock? Or only to employees that are leaving directly from the ranch and/or traveling on the ranch? Is the procedure followed all the time? Did Ben have a history of going out alone or was this a first time thing? Would he have known about or remembered the procedure? How were employees to "call in" if there wasn't reception? Did I remember reading Ben wouldn't/didn't take his phone because there was no reception?

I find it odd he didn't take phone. My husband hunts in the area and he has cell service most of the time.
 
rb63, I have a question for you, and for any other locals who have hunted in that area, specifically on Swakum Mountain.

What are the buried, huge metal containers with a lid that hunters have reported seeing on Swakum Mountain? Do you know anything about them?
 
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Most farms/ranches I know of do have a rule in place requiring people to report riding solo. It’s a safety net, for sure. IMO, Ben didn’t need to “call”, there’d be ranch hands around to speak with. There’s no weekends on a ranch, every day is the same, animals still need to eat. Ben, being manager would likely advise someone each time he left the ranch, in case someone needed him, imo.
Somewhere I read Ben arrived at NR Thanksgiving weekend. If true, he had very little time to settle in & probably didn’t get the opportunity to meet too many people off the ranch. Jmo.
The last heard of the person that possibly “trailered” Ben is LE still can’t identify or confirm him/her. That seems nefarious. There’d be nothing to hide if someone merely gave Ben & his horse a lift.
I wonder, did Ben even ride his horse or plan to, that day?
Moo

From my understanding BT arrived in Nov, and Thanksgiving is in Oct in Canada.
I think the reason they believe he was trailered is that the distance between ranch and where horse was found is long. If he left dog at home inside that would seem odd to go that far away from home.
 
rb63, I have a question for you, and for any other locals who have hunted in that area, specifically on Swakum Mountain.

What are the buried, huge metal containers with a lid that hunters have report seeing on Swakum Mountain? Do you know anything about them?

Don't know anything about those but we are fairly new to the area. (about 4 years living here now)
From our house you can quad up the mountain which my husband does. Last year he took a wrong road which he though would bring him back towards town but instead he ended up in Swakum about where horse was found. He called and I had to go get him. He always takes his cell (now apple watch) as he has cell service with hardly any dead spots.
 
From my understanding BT arrived in Nov, and Thanksgiving is in Oct in Canada.
I think the reason they believe he was trailered is that the distance between ranch and where horse was found is long. If he left dog at home inside that would seem odd to go that far away from home.
US Thanksgiving. Ben came from Wyoming so it would have been his and his family’s holiday on November 22. .
 
The thing I have trouble with is how he wasn’t reported missing at the ranch for not showing up to work on the Monday.
Since he lived at the ranch where he was manager, who knows for sure someone didn’t notice. KR found the horse early enough as to alert authorities well before even time to fully understand he was actually missing and not just out and about.

ETA plus it would probably be noticed his horse was not around either, so maybe thought he was off on his horse early.
 
You are asking a lot of good questions.
BT does have a known history of being safety conscious. He also has a known history of riding out to look for strays on his days off.
You are remembering correctly that it has been stated repeatedly in MSM that he didn't take his phone with him, something I gather is often done in that area, due to poor or nonexistent signal availability.

I can give you a little insight into how the cowboys I've worked with have handled the scenarios you are mentioning.

Most farms, both large & small, always have a general rule that you should notify someone that you are heading out for a solo ride. "Notifying" could mean a call in to someone, but more realistically it would be notifying whoever you encounter in passing as you prepare to head out. When you ride as much as BT does, you inevitably end up riding alone sometimes, for a variety of reasons, so I would assume he has ridden by himself, many times. Most professional riders have.

Most cowboys, and specifically most managers, are very tied to the general care of livestock. That care takes place 7 days a week, so "days off" do not mean you literally have no work that needs to be tended to on the ranch; it may mean you have a more simplified list of chores to do, but most likely you will STILL be interacting with at least some of the animals that are in your care or that you care about. So I do find it curious that it has not been made known if anyone thought BT to be missing or absent prior to local ranchers returning his horse to NR & figuring out who the owner is.

I can see how nobody noticed his horse missing, because his horse most likely was kept in a herd & it was not noticed that he was missing until he returned. But on some level, I wonder about that too.

There is a constant level of danger, daily, working with livestock & horses. However, those of us who live on farms and do the daily work that takes place on farms really become familiar & very comfortable with that. Therefore, certain things/activities that to a weekend rider or non rider would seem dangerous, are part of a normal day for some of us.

For example, I literally just came in from an unexpected ride out to the woods behind a back field to find and pony in a horse who sustained an injury. Should I have notified someone I was riding out? Yes. Did I? No. I didn't want to wait for someone else to be available and didn't take the time to call because the weather was about to change & I wanted to get that horse in quickly & knew I could. Is that poor judgement, regarding my own safety? Probably, yes. But to those who ride daily, it really does become part of your normal daily routine and and doesn't stand strongly out as something "out of the ordinary". I will admit though, that BT crossed my mind as I headed out & I will be making a better effort to notify someone every time I head out.

In my opinion, there are many reasons why BT could have taken his horse out that day on his "day off". Many who know him figured he was out looking for strays, which he has been known to do on his days off. Some MSM reports have said he may have had a drone with him. Initial reports stated he would be dressed for the weather conditions, which gives the impression LE had an idea of what boots, gear, etc. he may have had on based on what he normally wore, as well as what was not at his place.

This is absolutely heartbreaking. I hope & pray new information, leading to BT, comes to light very soon.
Thank you for this for those of us who do not live the life and have no idea what is the norm and what is not. That can inform us on what we feel might be suspicious of his behavior or someone else’s. I’m sure most of us have “safety“ rules at our jobs that sometimes we get complacent about, just like what you described. Whether an accident ,or foul play, this is absolutely heartbreaking
 
All good questions. I think all this 'safety' talk is just CYA now that an event
has happened and is unexplainable.
Early on there was no talk of this safety
protocol. And you're right, he did not take his cell because of poor coverage.
There was so little info coming from the ranch, very early after him missing,
and it seems they're now trying to fill in the blanks.

Ben was a professional cowboy, manager, long time horseman and seemingly
a responsible person. He was strong, fit and in good shape. It still seems to me there had to be foul play involved. I believed he was ambushed on the the trail.
Just my hunch.

BBM- I kinda wondered if it was a CYA statement. I wonder where Gunny was kept on the ranch, pasture, paddock, or stable? It seems someone doing the feeding would notice Gunny missing before Monday. Maybe there are enough horses at the ranch that one could be overlooked.

You are asking a lot of good questions.
BT does have a known history of being safety conscious. He also has a known history of riding out to look for strays on his days off.
You are remembering correctly that it has been stated repeatedly in MSM that he didn't take his phone with him, something I gather is often done in that area, due to poor or nonexistent signal availability.

I can give you a little insight into how the cowboys I've worked with have handled the scenarios you are mentioning.

Most farms, both large & small, always have a general rule that you should notify someone that you are heading out for a solo ride. "Notifying" could mean a call in to someone, but more realistically it would be notifying whoever you encounter in passing as you prepare to head out. When you ride as much as BT does, you inevitably end up riding alone sometimes, for a variety of reasons, so I would assume he has ridden by himself, many times. Most professional riders have.

Most cowboys, and specifically most managers, are very tied to the general care of livestock. That care takes place 7 days a week, so "days off" do not mean you literally have no work that needs to be tended to on the ranch; it may mean you have a more simplified list of chores to do, but most likely you will STILL be interacting with at least some of the animals that are in your care or that you care about. So I do find it curious that it has not been made known if anyone thought BT to be missing or absent prior to local ranchers returning his horse to NR & figuring out who the owner is.

I can see how nobody noticed his horse missing, because his horse most likely was kept in a herd & it was not noticed that he was missing until he returned. But on some level, I wonder about that too.

There is a constant level of danger, daily, working with livestock & horses. However, those of us who live on farms and do the daily work that takes place on farms really become familiar & very comfortable with that. Therefore, certain things/activities that to a weekend rider or non rider would seem dangerous, are part of a normal day for some of us.

For example, I literally just came in from an unexpected ride out to the woods behind a back field to find and pony in a horse who sustained an injury. Should I have notified someone I was riding out? Yes. Did I? No. I didn't want to wait for someone else to be available and didn't take the time to call because the weather was about to change & I wanted to get that horse in quickly & knew I could. Is that poor judgement, regarding my own safety? Probably, yes. But to those who ride daily, it really does become part of your normal daily routine and and doesn't stand strongly out as something "out of the ordinary". I will admit though, that BT crossed my mind as I headed out & I will be making a better effort to notify someone every time I head out.

In my opinion, there are many reasons why BT could have taken his horse out that day on his "day off". Many who know him figured he was out looking for strays, which he has been known to do on his days off. Some MSM reports have said he may have had a drone with him. Initial reports stated he would be dressed for the weather conditions, which gives the impression LE had an idea of what boots, gear, etc. he may have had on based on what he normally wore, as well as what was not at his place.

This is absolutely heartbreaking. I hope & pray new information, leading to BT, comes to light very soon.

While I don't consider myself a cowboy, I am a small scale farmer so I'm pretty familiar with the workings of a livestock operation. That's why I wondered if Ben would actually inform anyone he was leaving in any formal manner. Maybe if he caught someone out and about he'd let them know, but I thought maybe it was kind of just the assumption that he'd be out on the weekends. I'm guilty of just randomly leaving without telling anyone, so I certainly don't fault Ben if he did the same.

I do find it odd that no one even thought Ben could be missing until Gunny was found. I expected him to be at the ranch or at least in contact with someone at the ranch daily. Is there an assistant manager that steps in when Ben is off? What were Ben's duties as manager? I'm used to small family owned and operated farms around here with maybe a few full-time farmhands on the bigger farms, so I don't know how the big ranches work.
 
rb63, I have a question for you, and for any other locals who have hunted in that area, specifically on Swakum Mountain.

What are the buried, huge metal containers with a lid that hunters have reported seeing on Swakum Mountain? Do you know anything about them?

The containers they talk about on the missing FB page?
 
BBM- I kinda wondered if it was a CYA statement. I wonder where Gunny was kept on the ranch, pasture, paddock, or stable? It seems someone doing the feeding would notice Gunny missing before Monday. Maybe there are enough horses at the ranch that one could be overlooked.



While I don't consider myself a cowboy, I am a small scale farmer so I'm pretty familiar with the workings of a livestock operation. That's why I wondered if Ben would actually inform anyone he was leaving in any formal manner. Maybe if he caught someone out and about he'd let them know, but I thought maybe it was kind of just the assumption that he'd be out on the weekends. I'm guilty of just randomly leaving without telling anyone, so I certainly don't fault Ben if he did the same.

I do find it odd that no one even thought Ben could be missing until Gunny was found. I expected him to be at the ranch or at least in contact with someone at the ranch daily. Is there an assistant manager that steps in when Ben is off? What were Ben's duties as manager? I'm used to small family owned and operated farms around here with maybe a few full-time farmhands on the bigger farms, so I don't know how the big ranches work.
Well, we don’t even know Ben rode his horse.
That’s the thing. There’s more than one possibility here, imo. The “riding” theory doesn’t add up, to me.
Wonderings...
Did any ranch employees have issues with BT, their new boss? (Obviously they aren't going to run to LE to confess if they had issues with BT.)
Who tacked Gunny? (Would anyone from the ranch recognize if Gunny was NOT tacked by BT?)
Who was with BT on Saturday night? ( Did he connect with someone's significant other...a fatal yet innocent error?)

This is such a nightmare...just disappearing without a trace....MOO
 
BBM- I kinda wondered if it was a CYA statement. I wonder where Gunny was kept on the ranch, pasture, paddock, or stable? It seems someone doing the feeding would notice Gunny missing before Monday. Maybe there are enough horses at the ranch that one could be overlooked.



While I don't consider myself a cowboy, I am a small scale farmer so I'm pretty familiar with the workings of a livestock operation. That's why I wondered if Ben would actually inform anyone he was leaving in any formal manner. Maybe if he caught someone out and about he'd let them know, but I thought maybe it was kind of just the assumption that he'd be out on the weekends. I'm guilty of just randomly leaving without telling anyone, so I certainly don't fault Ben if he did the same.

I do find it odd that no one even thought Ben could be missing until Gunny was found. I expected him to be at the ranch or at least in contact with someone at the ranch daily. Is there an assistant manager that steps in when Ben is off? What were Ben's duties as manager? I'm used to small family owned and operated farms around here with maybe a few full-time farmhands on the bigger farms, so I don't know how the big ranches work.

I think Ben probably kept his personal horse/s separated from the ranch stock & fed his own, as well. I can no longer find it (still looking) but early on, found a couple videos of Ben training Gunny, it was a work in progress.
If not for safety purposes, I feel Ben, as manager, would advise NR each time he left the property. Many things could come up needing Bens authorization or assistance. It’d be common courtesy, imo, for staff to know if management is away. Jmo
 
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