CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #21

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''They suggest the last people to see the Shermans alive were a custom home builder, architect and subcontractor who met with the couple around 5 p.m. ET on Wednesday, Dec. 13, 2017, to go over some details of the new $20 million home they planned to build. ''

"Toronto police seized this security camera image of three home builders arriving at Barry Sherman's offices at Apotex in Toronto for a meeting on Dec. 13, 2017. It was the last day the couple was seen alive. (Ontario Court of Justice)
Honey Sherman left the meeting at about 5:30 p.m. and headed home. Barry Sherman stayed at the office for a few more hours to finish some work.

At 6:21 pm, Honey Sherman used her mobile phone to make a five-minute call to a friend. It appears to be the last time family or friends heard from her.''
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Would the builder that does not recall the reason that HS/BS gave for BS to be home early that night be hypnotized to recall the reason?

If the murder was preplanned, and both were targets and the Sherman's "surveilled" and conversations intercepted, then they knew as per HS that BS worked until 11 PM. Who knew BS would be home early that fateful night?

Did the perp bind HS and know BS would be home within an hour or so or did they think they would have until 11 PM for BS to get home?

Is it possible HS was the target and BS came home while she was being staged? I do not think JS could pursued or bully HS as AK suggested JS did to BS.

If HS was gone, could people think BS could be controlled, maybe even gaslight and have him deemed incapable of handling his own money?
 
Bobbi Pearl said:
Why sell Old Colony Road at the time they were? The new home was year(s) away, why put it up for sale right before Christmas?
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I think I got the condo info mixed up with something else, maybe the condo in Florida. Regarding the date, I think the rest of us non-billionaires have to remember that rules are different in their circles. Expensive houses like that don't sell quickly so the timing might not have mattered. But I agree, if they didn't have a place to live and the new build wouldn't be complete for 2 or 3 years, where did they plan to live? At the same time, why build a new, gigantic home at 70 and 75? At that age people are downsizing. Nothing about their home situation makes sense.
 
In KD podcast he says the victims had ligature marks on their necks under the belts, like they were strangled with something the killer then removed & posed the scene with the belts. Likewise marks on their wrists showing they were bound & then the ligatures taken away for posing. AFAIK no ligatures connected to the scene were ever found… LE searched sewers etc but nothing

Tools like efficient, no-trace ligatures seem JMO like the MO of a type of killer… organized, professional, maybe a solider or a mercenary. Plus the victims’ arms pinned with their jackets - that also seems organized / professional / even gangster, like a pro’s trick to restrain anyone back in the Elliot Ness era when men always wore suit jackets.

I know KD says he doesn’t think there was a hired hitman … idk. It seems so hitman-esque. JMO
 
taylorss said:
In KD podcast he says the victims had ligature marks on their necks under the belts, like they were strangled with something the killer then removed & posed the scene with the belts. Likewise marks on their wrists showing they were bound & then the ligatures taken away for posing. AFAIK no ligatures connected to the scene were ever found… LE searched sewers etc but nothing

Tools like efficient, no-trace ligatures seem JMO like the MO of a type of killer… organized, professional, maybe a solider or a mercenary. Plus the victims’ arms pinned with their jackets - that also seems organized / professional / even gangster, like a pro’s trick to restrain anyone back in the Elliot Ness era when men always wore suit jackets.

I know KD says he doesn’t think there was a hired hitman … idk. It seems so hitman-esque. JMO
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I’m no expert but IMO hitmen would not typically enter and spend time in a home, where they could leave more dna or be found. Nor would hitmen typically pose bodies. Nor would hitmen typically locate a belt to pose bodies from another part of the house (thereby also spending more time). Nor would hitmen typically kill by strangulation.

Did the Shermans use Alexa or Siri? I’m guessing not, and the killer(s) knew this— or that would be another risk of murdering in someone’s home, or murdering them slowly after binding them. MOO.
 
MerlinFalcon said:
I think I got the condo info mixed up with something else, maybe the condo in Florida. Regarding the date, I think the rest of us non-billionaires have to remember that rules are different in their circles. Expensive houses like that don't sell quickly so the timing might not have mattered. But I agree, if they didn't have a place to live and the new build wouldn't be complete for 2 or 3 years, where did they plan to live? At the same time, why build a new, gigantic home at 70 and 75? At that age people are downsizing. Nothing about their home situation makes sense.
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I think Honey enjoyed helping to design and decorate, and she likely wanted a more up to date home with all the modern conveniences, possibly making it easier for them to age in place. She might also have wanted a nice pool for the Grandchildren and entertaining. The new home would also be closer to Alex, and her Grandchildren. The Shermans may have decided to just have some fun and build a newer bigger home. It has been said that Barry was not keen, but we do not know for sure, and I think he wanted to keep Honey happy. I would also not be one bit surprised if Barry saw it as a good investment at the time. The Old Colony Rd. House was dated in many ways, and it would get harder to sell, not easier. Lots of people in their seventies are very active. My own Dr. said that 70 is not old anymore, but 90 is.

As for another place to live, they could have had a long closing date, and lived there, or simply lived in a luxury hotel for awhile. Things are very different in their financial world than for most of us in the middle class.
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MerlinFalcon said:
I think I got the condo info mixed up with something else, maybe the condo in Florida. Regarding the date, I think the rest of us non-billionaires have to remember that rules are different in their circles. Expensive houses like that don't sell quickly so the timing might not have mattered. But I agree, if they didn't have a place to live and the new build wouldn't be complete for 2 or 3 years, where did they plan to live? At the same time, why build a new, gigantic home at 70 and 75? At that age people are downsizing. Nothing about their home situation makes sense.
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I think they did own a condo somewhere in the city. It was discussed early on in the case. I think the plan was to live there during the build.

Edit: maybe it was Apotex that owned the condo unit
 
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Bobbi Pearl said:
Why sell Old Colony Road at the time they were? The new home was year(s) away, why put it up for sale right before Christmas?
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In his book KD wrote Honey had purchased two homes in Forest Hill. At the time of the murders, 50 Old Colony and one of the Forest Hill homes were for sale (the other was razed for the new construction). Whichever sold first would determine where they lived as the new home was being built.
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taylorss said:
Can’t believe this one has still gone nowhere. Will it ever be solved?? Strange
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"I asked Jack Kay if he thought that the murders of the Shermans would ever be solved and he said he doubted it."

Jack Kay: A long way from Redwood Avenue

By GERRY POSNER Jacob Moses Koslofsky has come a long distance in many ways. First of all, his parents, Zachary and Rae, had their name changed to Kay. Second, from the depths of the north end of Winnipeg, he ended up – after stops in Weyburn, Regina, and Montreal – in Toronto, where he has […]
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newclues said:
"I asked Jack Kay if he thought that the murders of the Shermans would ever be solved and he said he doubted it."

Jack Kay: A long way from Redwood Avenue

By GERRY POSNER Jacob Moses Koslofsky has come a long distance in many ways. First of all, his parents, Zachary and Rae, had their name changed to Kay. Second, from the depths of the north end of Winnipeg, he ended up – after stops in Weyburn, Regina, and Montreal – in Toronto, where he has […]
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And there we have the answer to your riddle, former psychiatric nurse.
 
MerlinFalcon said:
And there we have the answer to your riddle, former psychiatric nurse.
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Jack Kay: A long way from Redwood Avenue

By GERRY POSNER Jacob Moses Koslofsky has come a long distance in many ways. First of all, his parents, Zachary and Rae, had their name changed to Kay. Second, from the depths of the north end of Winnipeg, he ended up – after stops in Weyburn, Regina, and Montreal – in Toronto, where he has […]
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"Jack sat out a year of school working as an attendant in the mental hospital and then enrolled in a three- year training program to become a psychiatric nurse. By 1961, Jack Kay was a Registered Psychiatric Nurse, having successfully passed the University of Saskatchewan exams."
 
Bobbi Pearl said:
I had a thought that HS was killed and the perp "sat up" her body, but she fell over or slumped and her face hit the floor. Maybe this is when the thought to hang came into play to keep her sitting up?
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Why did they get sat up against a railing and no wall? That alone doesn't make sense to me. The only place, where you can fall into the/a pool, if you would tip over, and with dead victims it could be expected to happen in any case. For this unusual idea of staging the belts were necessary indeed, although I can't understand, how to produce 2 durable knots into 2 leather belts.
 
Bobbi Pearl said:
Would the builder that does not recall the reason that HS/BS gave for BS to be home early that night be hypnotized to recall the reason?

If the murder was preplanned, and both were targets and the Sherman's "surveilled" and conversations intercepted, then they knew as per HS that BS worked until 11 PM. Who knew BS would be home early that fateful night?

Did the perp bind HS and know BS would be home within an hour or so or did they think they would have until 11 PM for BS to get home?

Is it possible HS was the target and BS came home while she was being staged? I do not think JS could pursued or bully HS as AK suggested JS did to BS.

If HS was gone, could people think BS could be controlled, maybe even gaslight and have him deemed incapable of handling his own money?
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Afaik, to JS his mother had been the more powerful opponent than his father. Like with KW, HS made trouble, if she didn't agree with the money-giving "bank" of BS. Though Idk, whether it ever had success and someone didn't get the promised sum from BS.
 
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