CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[ldlager]

I still have a problem with the NW being the lone assailant.

1) It is assumed by many of us that Barry returned from work earlier than his usual time. Was it just a random occurrence, did Barry return home at different times with no regular pattern, or was it planned?

Did Honey want him home early, were they to meet somebody at their home, what was the reason to be home?

2)Was it a coincidence that they were murdered that evening, or was it it all pre-planned?
If Barry came home at his usual time later in the evening, was the NW going to wait outside until Barry arrived, or was the NW waiting inside the house.

3) The TPS probably have a pretty good idea how many people were in the house with the deceased. We assume one was the NW. Was there a number two? I think there had to be, as it would be risky to have one person strangle two people. Yes one person could be all that was needed, but the chance of problems would be much greater.

MOO

Thanks Windsor, yes more than one assailant is possible. But one has to wonder how a second assailant left the crime scene, as LE says they have accounted for all people captured on video in the vicinity of the house, except the NW. Unless BS was the first or second assailant as KW suggests…..

 

[WINDSOR]

Thanks Windsor, yes more than one assailant is possible. But one has to wonder how a second assailant left the crime scene, as LE says they have accounted for all people captured on video in the vicinity of the house, except the NW. Unless BS was the first or second assailant as KW suggests…..

I also considered how the second assailant left the crime scene.

Only three alternatives are possible.
a) The individual left somehow without being detected. This is a possibility, the assailant could have snuck out that night and avoided cameras, or they could have stayed the night, and left in the morning and blended in with the usual morning activity on the street. Remember, that there was no video of the NW entering or leaving the Sherman's property. So the possibility of someone entering the property from Forest Heights Blvd from the rear undetected, is possible.

b) The TPS may have seen someone and identified and interviewed that person. We on this forum do not know who the TPS has questioned. This is not unusual TPS procedure, as in the Bruce MacArthur case, they questioned Bruce, and released him without laying charges, while they continued watching him and collecting more evidence. The TPS has stated that the NW is a POI, they have not stated he is the only POI.

c) There was no other assailant other than the NW. If we assume the NW was only assailant, he must be a unique individual. The TPS does not know who he is, they cannot find him, and he killed two people without the use of a weapon (gun, club, knife, for example).

MOO

 

[fadedglitter]

This lives rent free in my mind too!
a) second person arrived and left undetected: This is KD’s theory and I find it uncompelling. If this second person somehow knew of a secret way onto the property, why not share the information with the NW? Why risk getting the accomplice caught when you could both enter and exit undetected?
b) second person is known to TPS: this is also uncompelling to me. If the police have evidence that a person is a double murderer, they would arrest the person.
c) no other assailant: This is the only remaining option, MOO.

Every option involving a second killer seems to be working backward from a theory that requires the killer to be an individual who does not physically resemble the NW.

 

[acutename]

I also considered how the second assailant left the crime scene.

Only three alternatives are possible.
a) The individual left somehow without being detected. This is a possibility, the assailant could have snuck out that night and avoided cameras, or they could have stayed the night, and left in the morning and blended in with the usual morning activity on the street. Remember, that there was no video of the NW entering or leaving the Sherman's property. So the possibility of someone entering the property from Forest Heights Blvd from the rear undetected, is possible.

b) The TPS may have seen someone and identified and interviewed that person. We on this forum do not know who the TPS has questioned. This is not unusual TPS procedure, as in the Bruce MacArthur case, they questioned Bruce, and released him without laying charges, while they continued watching him and collecting more evidence. The TPS has stated that the NW is a POI, they have not stated he is the only POI.

c) There was no other assailant other than the NW. If we assume the NW was only assailant, he must be a unique individual. The TPS does not know who he is, they cannot find him, and he killed two people without the use of a weapon (gun, club, knife, for example).

MOO

could have had a weapon and used it as a threat actually. the more I think about this, the odder it is to me that the crime scene was so "neat." with two victims, you would think there might be some signs of a struggle, but possibly the two cooperated because the killer had one "in hand" and they were both threatened.

 

[Otterly]

This case lives rent free in my head. A billionaire couple found murdered that went cold as soon as they were found? I don't know of any other case like it.

 

[WINDSOR]

fadeglitter stated
"b) second person is known to TPS: this is also uncompelling to me. If the police have evidence that a person is a double murderer, they would arrest the person."

Police will lay charges and arrest a person, if they have enough evidence that in a court of law, there is a reasonable chance of conviction. There are criminals walking the streets freely that police believe were involved in crimes, that the police do not have enough evidence yet.

This the principle behind so many DNA convictions in Cold cases these days. John Smith murders Bill Jones in 1980.
Police believe John Smith did it and in fact, John Smith is the only POI. In interrogation John Smith denies everything. Police lack evidence to lay charges and get a conviction. The Police wait. Years later DNA evidence proves John Smith is the culprit and is arrested and convicted. If the Police charged John Smith initially, went to trial, and John Smith was found not guilty, he could not be charged again for the same crime under the Double Jeopardy rules.

So I believe in the Sherman case, the TPS is waiting.

MOO

 

[ldlager]

fadeglitter stated
"b) second person is known to TPS: this is also uncompelling to me. If the police have evidence that a person is a double murderer, they would arrest the person."

Police will lay charges and arrest a person, if they have enough evidence that in a court of law, there is a reasonable chance of conviction. There are criminals walking the streets freely that police believe were involved in crimes, that the police do not have enough evidence yet.

This the principle behind so many DNA convictions in Cold cases these days. John Smith murders Bill Jones in 1980.
Police believe John Smith did it and in fact, John Smith is the only POI. In interrogation John Smith denies everything. Police lack evidence to lay charges and get a conviction. The Police wait. Years later DNA evidence proves John Smith is the culprit and is arrested and convicted. If the Police charged John Smith initially, went to trial, and John Smith was found not guilty, he could not be charged again for the same crime under the Double Jeopardy rules.

So I believe in the Sherman case, the TPS is waiting.

MOO

I believe LE has some kind of theory, but aside from video of a short stocky man with a funny walking gait, I don’t think they have any real evidence that would allow them to identify the guilty party/parties. So they may be waiting for additional evidence, but I believe their case is just a theory right now, and I fear it will never progress to anything else.moo