Canada - Bruce McArthur charged in murders of six men, Toronto, 2010-2017

[LadyL]

I thought he was charged with a sixth murder but the thread title still says fiveÉ

 

[matou]

I thought he was charged with a sixth murder but the thread title still says fiveÉ

I alerted a mod to change the title of the thread. Thanks LadyL.

 

[matou]

Full interview with Chief Saunders and the Globe and Mail. The Globe may have slanted their article to make the Chief look badly here but make up your own minds about it: http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/medi...nders_editorial_board_with_globe_and_mail.mp3

 

[SFB30]

Wow! They are aware of the information and are deciding how to proceed with the investigation? Wonder what they are deciding on.

RBBM

The one who babysat as a 14-year old was on a fb group discussing this, immediately after her parents decided to call in the tip.

She has since deleted her posts.

I’m hearing from locals that the police were at the property in Oshawa earlier, but apparently “all is clear” now. No sources.


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[ttcRider]

Just watched the interview with the Chief and I don't think he was blaming any of the victims he was blaming all the people who knew BM and never said anything. IMO Not sure how that all got twisted into victim blaming.

 

[SFB30]

Just watched the interview with the Chief and I don't think he was blaming any of the victims he was blaming all the people who knew BM and never said anything. IMO Not sure how that all got twisted into victim blaming.

Respectfully, I disagree. The people left in his path are all victims.

And please believe that I do not mean to belittle what the victims or their families and friends are going through. I could not begin to imagine.

But there are many who have been left devastated and betrayed by someone they trusted. Their world is shaken too.

Monsters like this leave victims everywhere.

MOO


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[SFB30]

Not only that... the community as a whole was victimized.


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[519er]

Just watched the interview with the Chief and I don't think he was blaming any of the victims he was blaming all the people who knew BM and never said anything. IMO Not sure how that all got twisted into victim blaming.

Headlines. MSM’s gotta get paid on the slow news days.


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[lilymoon]

BM set for another court appearance today via video link:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/accus...thur-to-make-court-appearance-today-1.3822010

 

[lilymoon]

(Not sure if article has previously been shared on WS site):

Older article in The Star, with background on BM's attorney/law firm.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...ent-accused-serial-killer-bruce-mcarthur.html

Toronto lawyers say that McArthur managed to secure one of the best firms in the country to represent him. Edward H. Royle & Partners LLP, founded in 2010, practices exclusively in the area of criminal law and has appeared in all levels of criminal court in Canada.

 

[lilymoon]

Older National Post article:

http://nationalpost.com/feature/bruce-mcarthur-small-town-sock-salesman-to-accused-serial-killer

The McArthurs were among the local families of good pedigree. His parents.....farmed and ran a kind of foster centre out of their home. .....a friend of the family who visited regularly during the 1960s and early ’70s, said parents from Toronto often sent their troubled children to the McArthur house to get them away from the trappings of city life. “There was always kids coming and going,” she said. “Lots of times there would be maybe six to 10…. I never, ever heard any of those kids ever complain about being there.”

BM was around vulnerable populations, if not marginalized ones as well, at an early age. A frightening thought based on what we now know. Would imagine they (foster children), now grown, could possibly provide some important narrative about those years.

 

[dotr]

Older National Post article:

http://nationalpost.com/feature/bruce-mcarthur-small-town-sock-salesman-to-accused-serial-killer



BM was around vulnerable populations, if not marginalized ones as well, at an early age. A frightening thought based on what we now know. Would imagine they (foster children), now grown, could possibly provide some important narrative about those years.

Cannot help wondering how all those foster kids turned out, did any run away from the M home and did not return?
Speculation, imo.

 

[AddyFinch]

Cannot help wondering how all those foster kids turned out, did any run away from the M home and did not return?
Speculation, imo.

....also wondering same....

 

[AddyFinch]

Just watched the interview with the Chief and I don't think he was blaming any of the victims he was blaming all the people who knew BM and never said anything. IMO Not sure how that all got twisted into victim blaming.

I agree

 

[dotr]

....also wondering same....

https://heavy.com/news/2018/01/bruce-mcarthur-toronto-gay-lgbt-murders-facebook/

Bruce McArthur on Halloween

 

[dotr]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/mcarthur-court-appearance-wednesday-1.4554446

Alleged serial killer Bruce McArthur made a brief, procedural appearance in a Toronto courtroom by video on Wednesday.

The 66-year-old former landscaper is being represented by lawyer W. Calvin Rosemond. There is a publication ban in place, limiting what can be reported by the media.

McArthur is due back in court on Mar. 14.

rbbm.

 

[lilymoon]

Cannot help wondering how all those foster kids turned out, did any run away from the M home and did not return?
Speculation, imo.

Not my intent to imply any direct child harm or endangerment; just a thought of dozens and dozens of children now realizing that they spent time/years with BM.

AND simply discussing the possibility of the children being able to provide a narrative around BM's behaviors (positive OR negative) in those early years. Visitors often are able to observe unique traits and characteristics (and remember!) more objectively than close family members.

Examples of some observations - strong interests/dislikes, odd/uncomfortable discussions or questions, mood swings, secrecy or pacts, anger/rage, orientation, etc.

 

[brightii]

Just watched the interview with the Chief and I don't think he was blaming any of the victims he was blaming all the people who knew BM and never said anything. IMO Not sure how that all got twisted into victim blaming.

I agree, but I also must say that IMO the Chief is a terrible communicator. I could read between the lines of what he meant when thinking of how some people have now said publicly that they had seen or heard of the violent side of BM and considered him as someone to be avoided.

I think the Chief was trying to say that anyone who had these type of concerns about BM should have shared them with TPS at that time, but he also acknowledged that people may not wish to approach TPS out of fear and he said he hoped to work on that problem to improve community relations and to encourage the public to come forward with tips even if they don't think they have much value. Sometimes he said people don't want to get mixed up with the justice system in any way so that could also be a deterrent to reporting tips to TPS. Of course, I'm just paraphrasing some of the Chief's comments as I understood them.

IMO, Toronto needs someone at the helm of TPS that can address contentious issues and inspire confidence, i.e. Det. Sgt. Hank Idsinga, who IMO is an excellent communicator and knows how to articulate a message calmly and clearly and with insight and compassion for the victims and the wider community. These type of skills inspire trust.

I watched the Chief last night on CP24 and I just cringed as he tried to explain himself. Personally, I think he has good intentions but he simply is not able to express himself to get a point across, IMO. I can understand how some might have misunderstood the intentions of the Chief's comments and felt offended by his statements, but I also think politics is involved that may cause some in the media and among the public to exploit the Chief's communication weaknesses to further their own agenda.

All MOO.

 

[nuff]

I watched the Chief last night on CP24 and I just cringed as he tried to explain himself. Personally, I think he has good intentions but he simply is not able to express himself to get a point across, IMO. I can understand how some might have misunderstood the intentions of the Chief's comments and felt offended by his statements, but I also think politics is involved that may cause some in the media and among the public to exploit the Chief's communication weaknesses to further their own agenda.

All MOO.

Agreed. Saunders is a good man, put in a difficult position by politics, issues with TPS that preceded him, and exacerbated by his communication weaknesses. It was not the appointment many felt they should have made.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...er-sloly-joins-consulting-giant-deloitte.html

 

[brightii]

Agreed. Saunders is a good man, put in a difficult position by politics, issues with TPS that preceded him, and exacerbated by his communication weaknesses. It was not the appointment many felt they should have made.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...er-sloly-joins-consulting-giant-deloitte.html

Completely agree!

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/con...e-fall-and-we-shouldnt-pretend-otherwise.html

All MOO