MrsWatson
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How old does a case have to be to be considered "historical"? Is that being used interchangeably with cold case now? When I think of historical remains, I think of native peoples or settlers.
Nov 15 2021
CityNews
''This week on Tracking a Killer: The Cold Case Files, CityNews reporters Fil Martino and Madison Fitzpatrick take a look at the unsolved disappearance and murder of 22-year-old Elizabeth Bain.
Bain was a student at the University of Toronto’s Scarborough Campus when she vanished on June 19, 1990.
Toronto Police Detective Steve Smith says her vehicle was found 3 days later with blood inside.
“Police immediately began a large-scale investigation. Officers were confident enough to declare this missing person as a homicide. Elizabeth’s body has never been found, ” said Detective Smith.
Police thought they had her killer several months into the investigation. Elizabeth Bain’s boyfriend Robert Baltovich was convicted of her murder.
“They didn’t really leave much doubt in my mind that they were absolutely convinced that I had either killed Liz or that I knew what happened to her,” said Baltovich.
Baltovich spent eight years behind bars before being deemed not guilty by the courts in 2008. He says they had the wrong guy.
Elizabeth Bain’s killer remains at large, but police say someone knows something and one day, they are confident this decades old case will be solved.''
One thing to keep in mind imo, the blood in the car was never determined to belong to EB and only EB. At trial for RB, the closest TPS got was, the blood belonged to a female offspring of Mr and Mrs Bain.
So it would be her or her sister and her sister wasn't cut. Kind of narrows down the possibilities, no?
No, the possibility remains as either or.
As previously discussed in the threads, the amount of blood in EB's car was less than what a person would give when donating blood, and smears only going in one direction. Unable to remember which direction (in or out) at the moment.
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This new discovery of remains is located just off of Simcoe St. N. which is accessed from the 401 in Oshawa, and is a direct line to Port Perry/Lake Scugog.
I know that it was suspected that EBs body may have been dumped somewhere in Port Perry & there was a witness who also said that he had seen EB in a vehicle fighting with someone on the East bound lanes of the 401 headed towards Oshawa. Would it be possible that maybe her remains were dumped somewhere in the Oshawa area? I happened upon the below article - as this is right around the corner from my home. At the time when EB went missing this would have been sprawling farm land (famous horse farm) - and a body has been uncovered that they believe is linked to a historical case - just wondering if anyone thinks MAYBE it could be a possibility? Even if remote.
Article here:
Human remains found in north Oshawa part of historical case investigation
Either way I am happy it would seem that a family will get some long awaited closure with this discovery.
Thanks for posting, I just came here to update as I read it last night but was too tired to come online to do so. I truly hope it brings her loved ones some peace and that one day the same will be done for EBs loved ones who also seek answers.Not Elizabeth, but another young lady who was murdered:
“Durham Regional Police announced Wednesday its investigators have recovered the remains of Kandis Fitzpatrick, a teenager killed by Adam Strong over a decade ago in Oshawa.
Fitzpatrick disappeared in 2008 and it wasn't until 2018 that police were able to link her to Strong…
…Fitzpatrick was found after Strong told a prison staff member where her remains were, police said.
Det. Sgt. Doris Carriere said Strong then accompanied investigators to the location — in the area of Secreto Drive and Britannia Avenue East in Oshawa and "pointed to a general area where he had believed he had buried the remains back in 2008."”
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6353740
I’m relieved for Kandis’s loved ones, but of course it’s a painful event.
I wish Elizabeth’s killer, or people who know what happened, will make a call to end the Bain family’s suffering.
One thing to keep in mind imo, the blood in the car was never determined to belong to EB and only EB. At trial for RB, the closest TPS got was, the blood belonged to a female offspring of Mr and Mrs Bain.
Did they ever take a sample of the sister's blood to directly match it to her thus eliminating the sister as the direct source of the blood found in the car?
If they didn't do this, doesn't that seem odd?
Sorry if this question has been asked before.
One thing to keep in mind imo, the blood in the car was never determined to belong to EB and only EB. At trial for RB, the closest TPS got was, the blood belonged to a female offspring of Mr and Mrs Bain.
I've been reading the trial transcripts that were posted on here.
They took the family's fingerprints to include or exclude them from the prints found on the car and clearly offered the information at trial.
Why was there no information offered at trial if they had taken CB's DNA sample to compare against the blood in the car.
The prosecutor asked her if she bled in the car on the 19th or three to four days after or if she dragged a bulky object covered in her blood into the car.
Wouldn't it have been easier and much more results oriented if they just had asked her if she gave a DNA sample and what the results were?
Or was her DNA sample in fact taken and the results were surprising for whatever reason so much so that they couldn't reveal the fact of the results.