Found Deceased Canada - Eugene Kim, 38, Markham, Ont, 2 Oct 2017

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LE could be doing a lot of things but they would not publicize it unless they feel it will help find Eugene. Really it is no ones business except the family. All they are saying is the last known use of phone and location is Algonquin Park. As for leads, they would have to go through each one and see if they are legitimate and relevant.
 
Wife saw him at 7 a.m. and neighbour saw him leaving at 10:30 a.m.
 
Someone on another site mentioned a reason Eugene may have put another person's name on the form. He may have wanted people to believe he was having an affair and ran off instead of suicide so that his family could get insurance. No evidence this is true but another take on the mysterious second person purposely mentioned on the form at Algonquin Park.
 
Someone on another site mentioned a reason Eugene may have put another person's name on the form. He may have wanted people to believe he was having an affair and ran off instead of suicide so that his family could get insurance. No evidence this is true but another take on the mysterious second person purposely mentioned on the form at Algonquin Park.

Insurance is not paid until a body is found and a postmortem reveals a cause of death, or years after a person is missing, the court declares them as "presumed deceased".
 
Wife saw him at 7 a.m. and neighbour saw him leaving at 10:30 a.m.
If you read the words, they say he was last seen at 7am. They don't say "by family". Makes me wonder why the last sighting is not stated as when he bought the permit. Is LE not convinced that it was Eugene who bought the permit?
 
Another interesting thing for me is that the family and friends are saying, "Eugene, we love you. So many people love you. Please come home."
I'm pretty sure that's been the main message that is in the media.

Doesn't that suggest they think he left?

if they thought something happened, the message might be more like, "Eugene be safe.. we're looking for you. Whoever is with him, please let him come home."

Maybe it's not as big a difference to others but to me it's interesting.
 
Insurance is not paid until a body is found and a postmortem reveals a cause of death, or years after a person is missing, the court declares them as "presumed deceased".
Thelma Krull was ruled deceased after 2 years.
 
Another interesting thing for me is that the family and friends are saying, "Eugene, we love you. So many people love you. Please come home."
I'm pretty sure that's been the main message that is in the media.

Doesn't that suggest they think he left?

if they thought something happened, the message might be more like, "Eugene be safe.. we're looking for you. Whoever is with him, please let him come home."

Maybe it's not as big a difference to others but to me it's interesting.
Excellent point, genesis1970. And yet, they keep saying he wouldn't leave on his own.
It is an excellent point. Every single part of this case feels like voluntary leaving to me. Continuing to stay missing might not be voluntary, however.

Sometimes people say or do things that make them feel they need too continue, or see it through, or whatever because of pride. Maybe his personality doesn't allow him to "change his mind" but they want him to know it's okay to do that.
 
Thelma Krull was ruled deceased after 2 years.
GigTu, this gave me a chance to read another case - Thelma Krill. There were reasons for her being declared as deceased, a mere 2 years after she disappeared.
One of the news websites stated --

"Police suspect foul play

Police have said they believe foul play is involved in the case but on July 27 went further, saying they believe she was involved in the physical altercation with a large male suspect and forcibly taken from the area.

It happened shortly after she arrived at Civic Park, behind Kildonan-East Collegiate, around 8 a.m. on the date she was last seen, police said.

Several pieces of evidence, including Krull's glasses and cellphone, were found in that area."
 
Has anyone looked into the twitter accounts he follows - Gambling and sports handicap sites? @eugene78kim

Would it be conceivable that he has a gambling debt problem, associated with bookies

Interesting. Casino rama is half way to algonquin park. Same route to take to go to algonquin park and same route to take to go to North Bay, straight north on hwy 11.

Maybe the plan was call in sick to go to Casino. Survelliance cameras are everywhere there. I suggest they look there for clues.

Jason Allen, friend of Eugene Kim, he was the one searching for Euguene recently using his ATV on routes that go to algonquin park. He said theres a lot of people, he saw lots of hunters, he asked around and said no one knew Eugene Kim was reported missing there.
 
I do understand what you're saying. Honest, I do. I'm not saying you're wrong either. All I'm trying to get across is that there can always be other explanations for anything.

Telling his wife he had a big business deal and then calling in sick? Well, I can use my own example. I got dressed for work, (working in a hospital,) told my dh I anticipated a busy shift.

Then on the way to work, I got very sick in the car and had to pull over and call in sick to my unit.

Thankfully, nothing happened to me on the way home, (I live a long distance from the hospital.) Since I was working night shift, I did not call my dh since he had to get up early.

However, if I had been car-jacked or forced to drive somewhere, and then disappeared, my husband and employer would have given vastly different accounts!

It certainly wouldn't have looked good for me at all.

That's a hypothetical situation entirely. But it illustrates that something else could have happened. Not that it did, but could.

My goal is to try to keep my mind open to all possibilities.

As for the family, I don't believe they need any advice on how to cope with his mysterious and devastating disappearance.

They are really struggling! Whatever helps them deal with this, I will respect and support.

Please don't get me wrong. I'm not implying that you're not. Just saying this as a reminder that our written words (all of us) can be so easily misunderstood. Tone especially.

So please, try not to get frustrated with me or anyone else. We're all doing the best we can.

As for your difficulties with the site and the posts, I think everyone can relate. We've all been there. It takes time to learn the editing process, and all the 'ins and outs' of posting.

If there's any way we can be of help to you, please let us know.

We're glad you're here. We need bright, intelligent, and logical thinkers, like yourself. Those qualities are in high demand.

Please stick around and keep posting!!

JMO

LE has mentioned that they do not believe this incident is criminal in nature and at this point, that has not changed, as I'm sure the public would have been updated if there was any change. They are "concerned for his well being" - generally that can be a harmless statement, but most often times, its code word for "they are concerned for his mental well being".

Mental illness is more often than not shrouded in secrecy when portrayed in the media. Often times the family will not want any of that revealed. So they stick to the basics and offer no other info. This is what feeds the stigma of mental illness. This is what deters people (including LE) from putting in some elbow grease to find these kinds of missing people because "they left on their own accord". Rather than there being evidence that they were taken against their will, which would give the situation more urgency IMHO. Conversely, you may find those who are mentally ill, and who go missing, portrayed as "he/she requires medication". etc, and they offer up the bare minimum to let people know that there is an illness of some sort that afflicts this missing person. But often times, you won't hear "They committed suicide". Now - SOMETIMES you will. But not often. You'll hear "the investigation is closed" or "no foul play suspected". It's the same as our transit system. "Injury at track level" - usually a suicide. You never used to hear that. You just heard "There are delays on Bloor/Danforth or "Yonge/University". They would be very vague.

They do this so that anyone in the general public is not "triggered".
 
If you read the words, they say he was last seen at 7am. They don't say "by family". Makes me wonder why the last sighting is not stated as when he bought the permit. Is LE not convinced that it was Eugene who bought the permit?


You may have missed this post
This article does say "by the family"


Eugene Kim was last seen by his family on Monday morning at 7 a.m. in the area of Bayview Avenue and Royal Orchard Bouelvard.

http://www.cp24.com/news/markham-man...ared-1.3618936

A neighbour was the last known person to see the 38-year-old man as he left his house in the Bayview Avenue and Royal Orchard Boulevard area of Thornhill on Monday, Oct. 2 at about 10:30 a.m

https://www.yorkregion.com/news-stor...owdale-church/
 
Investigators with the York Regional Police #2 District Criminal Investigations Bureau continue to seek public assistance in locating a 38-year-old man missing from the City of Markham.

http://www.nugget.ca/2017/10/10/lots-of-tips-but-no-location


Is this new or has the CIB been investigating from the beginning?
It is not a crime for an adult to leave voluntarily. JMO
 
You may have missed this post
This article does say "by the family"


Eugene Kim was last seen by his family on Monday morning at 7 a.m. in the area of Bayview Avenue and Royal Orchard Bouelvard.

http://www.cp24.com/news/markham-man...ared-1.3618936

A neighbour was the last known person to see the 38-year-old man as he left his house in the Bayview Avenue and Royal Orchard Boulevard area of Thornhill on Monday, Oct. 2 at about 10:30 a.m

https://www.yorkregion.com/news-stor...owdale-church/

My point is that different sites are saying different things. The latest North Bay news says only that he was last seen at 7am. None of them seem to mention or give details of the sighting when he got the permit, which should be the latest.
 
LE/phone companies can pin down cell phone pings.. Banks cards, credit cards traced. Money withdrawen etc. Why hasn't any of this been looked at?

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My point is that different sites are saying different things. The latest North Bay news says only that he was last seen at 7am. None of them seem to mention or give details of the sighting when he got the permit, which should be the latest.

Well, its always that way isn't it.
Different reports from different sources.
It is that way in every case I have followed
I guess you can pick and choose which one you wish to follow
I have seen nothing new reported on the permit sighting yet

I think that bit of news would be the easiest to prove or disprove
Of course, I am assuming a signature would be required

JMO
 
LE/phone companies can pin down cell phone pings.. Banks cards, credit cards traced. Money withdrawen etc. Why hasn't any of this been looked at?

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We don't know that it hasn't been looked at, just that it hasn't been reported
 
So you are saying that the public deserves to know everything about his personal circumstances in order to look out for him and his car? And yes some information about him is non of our business. <modsnip>
 

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