GUILTY Canada - Kienan Hebert, 3, Sparwood BC, 7 Sept 2011 - #2

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I'm really confused as to why anyone is giving this guy a pass. He's no Lenny, IMO. he solidly planned the kidnapping of not one, but at least two children. He took little Kienan, actually went into his home and kidnapped him in the dead of night. He held him for days. That is horrific. We are so lucky that Kienan is alive and I credit LE with that, not some sad sack who really just loves kids and wanted to save them, or take them for someone else or have a playmate. No way, IMO.

His kiddie lair didn't have pj's cut short, like "anyone would do", which just happened to look like a thong. No, they were children's pajama pants cut into a thong.

He had sex toys and lube at his lair. But no, that wasn't for the disabled boy he was attempting to kidnap. He must have some mysterious girlfriend he intended to entertain, right? Some nice lady he was stealing a child for? Yeah, not buying it.

And what about this?: "The charges relate to a squatter, alleged to be Mr. Hopley, found in a vacant cabin on Crownest Lake. The cabin had been transformed, according to its owners, into a disturbing den for children. Police found sexual paraphernalia, kids’ clothing and a new room that was constructed and fixed with a lock from the outside." http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-in-jail-through-summer/article2169743/page2/

Yeah, because this poor, intellectually disabled, nice man just wanted a little playmate he could dress in a kiddie thong, use sex toys on and lock in a room in his nice little lair. He's crazy alright, crazy like a fox.

Hopely returned Kienan because he knew he had become the suspect and that he couldn't get away with keeping this child for his own, devious purposes and/or murdering him. The LE profilers gave him a way out by having the dad state Kienan could not ID him. Is Hopely a smart man? No, but he knew enough to break in to two homes at night, to build a lair, to hide with a small child for five days and remain on the lam for several days after that.

And I don't give him a pass. Not at all. The horror of what he was planning for Kienan, what his family went through, is unfathomable. This is being called a miracle because it is. A deranged man who wanted a child for a sex toy released the child alive. And I'm grateful for that. But he gets no pass from me. This is a seriously disturbed individual who is now an adult - no longer an abandoned child or intellectually challenged youngster. He is an adult who evidenced the ability to plan and execute a monstrous act. He is what nightmares are made of.
 
From Wondergirl #358
(They are quarry workers cabins that have been abandoned for a few years.)
Clothing could just be left overs that a worker left behind. The cabin looks pretty solid, probably been squatted in by a few people, so could be anybodies stuff.

RH's little trailer, those places are ok for the summer, but for the winter not so much.

With utmost respect, do you seriously believe it's merely coincidence that Hopely, who tried to abduct two kids before actually abducting Kienan, who he held for five days, and who was accused of molesting another little boy, just happened to squat in an abandoned cabin that had been outfitted with children's toys and clothes, kid's pj pants fashioned into a "thong", sex toys and lubricant, and a room that was fashioned such that it could be locked from the outside?

All of that is just mere coincidence? Hopely was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, or it wasn't him because someone says he is reported not to smoke, or LE investigators got confused because kid's pjs when shortened always look like a thong, and the kid's toys were because he wanted a playmate, and the children's sized diapers and clothes were actually for Hopely himself, even though he is 5'10" and 140 pounds? The sex toys were for himself or for some mysterious woman never identified who he was trying to steal kids for, he was rescuing kids who he felt were being harmed, he had been accused of child molestation before but the charges were dropped so that was just a lie, and this man, who has tried to kidnap three kids before, successful in one of those attempts, formerly accused of molesting a child, just happened to squat in a cabin some other pervert used as their own sex lair for kids, and he couldn't have wanted to molest Kienan because the other kid was ten and he couldn't have a thing for kids in such a different age ranges, etc., etc?

I am usually very open minded and I want to understand here but being a lawyer, I have to cut through the b.s. my clients try to shove at me all the time and I am trained to use logic, logic, logic. Mea culpa, and with all the respect in the world, I just don't understand this.

I am a very understanding and compassionate person. I can't cause harm to anyone. I do not agree with the death penalty. I think torture is disgusting. I believe in rehabilitation when it has a chance of working, I believe in mercy, I can't hurt a spider or an ant.

But none of this makes sense. To me, it was very clear what this man was planning and no amount of repeated justifications for each, additional report that comes out showing how diabolical he is, change that for me.

Child molesters, those who kidnap children, they are the worst of the worst. They do not change or get better. Yes, they were all sweet kids at one point who may have gone through their own horror or trauma. But they're all grown up now and are capable of acts of unspeakable evil. We need to be protected. Our children deserve to be able to sleep safely in their own beds.

I think it is no coincidence that Hopely picked a disabled boy as one of his first targets, then after being accused by a ten year old of molestation, decided to move to younger targets, who may not be able to verbalize as well as an older child. I think this points to the planning of a most methodical and frightening monster. He scares me, badly.
 
I think it is no coincidence that Hopely picked a disabled boy as one of his first targets, then after being accused by a ten year old of molestation, decided to move to younger targets, who may not be able to verbalize as well as an older child. I think this points to the planning of a most methodical and frightening monster. He scares me, badly.

gitana, While I have tried to present other sides in some of my posts here...the bottom line is that I agree with your post 200%. RH is a nightmare, that I would never want to encounter in real life.
 
gitana, While I have tried to present other sides in some of my posts here...the bottom line is that I agree with your post 200%. RH is a nightmare, that I would never want to encounter in real life.

I agree. I actually had to step away from this thread for awhile because of the direction it has gone in.
 
From Wondergirl #358
(They are quarry workers cabins that have been abandoned for a few years.)
Clothing could just be left overs that a worker left behind. The cabin looks pretty solid, probably been squatted in by a few people, so could be anybodies stuff.

RH's little trailer, those places are ok for the summer, but for the winter not so much.

You're probably right nao. I think most of the things found in this particular abandoned cabin were already there when RH took up residence, which was probably pretty recently after he'd kidnapped Kienan.

I wonder if there was another place that he intended to use and was just caught at this cabin after the fact? :waitasec:

MOO
 
gitana, While I have tried to present other sides in some of my posts here...the bottom line is that I agree with your post 200%. RH is a nightmare, that I would never want to encounter in real life.

I agree...he's the most dangerous kind of predator because no one seems to be able to get a handle on just what he's capable of. Hopefully they will get a true picture of what he really had in mind with both of the boys during this evaluation.

MOO
 
Yes i do feel defensive of RH,- JMO _MOO _ I do not say my observations are true, its just a matter of my life experiances do not see a predartor. He visited the previous child twice, these are people to him, not objects, to me that makes it different.
He's a B&E dude - what does he take? People have fantisy rooms, diapers are popular nothing to do with kids, have you seen Borat's thong?There were people wanting the death penelty out side the court. i don't understand the hate.
I understand sexual and abuse in general, it was a normal part of my and other kids i knew lives, worst part was finding out it was wrong, trust and reality all gone.
i just don't feel that ugly side in him. But thats what we have justice the law for.
 
With utmost respect, do you seriously believe it's merely coincidence that Hopely, who tried to abduct two kids before actually abducting Kienan, who he held for five days, and who was accused of molesting another little boy, just happened to squat in an abandoned cabin that had been outfitted with children's toys and clothes, kid's pj pants fashioned into a "thong", sex toys and lubricant, and a room that was fashioned such that it could be locked from the outside?

All of that is just mere coincidence? Hopely was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, or it wasn't him because someone says he is reported not to smoke, or LE investigators got confused because kid's pjs when shortened always look like a thong, and the kid's toys were because he wanted a playmate, and the children's sized diapers and clothes were actually for Hopely himself, even though he is 5'10" and 140 pounds? The sex toys were for himself or for some mysterious woman never identified who he was trying to steal kids for, he was rescuing kids who he felt were being harmed, he had been accused of child molestation before but the charges were dropped so that was just a lie, and this man, who has tried to kidnap three kids before, successful in one of those attempts, formerly accused of molesting a child, just happened to squat in a cabin some other pervert used as their own sex lair for kids, and he couldn't have wanted to molest Kienan because the other kid was ten and he couldn't have a thing for kids in such a different age ranges, etc., etc?

I am usually very open minded and I want to understand here but being a lawyer, I have to cut through the b.s. my clients try to shove at me all the time and I am trained to use logic, logic, logic. Mea culpa, and with all the respect in the world, I just don't understand this.

I am a very understanding and compassionate person. I can't cause harm to anyone. I do not agree with the death penalty. I think torture is disgusting. I believe in rehabilitation when it has a chance of working, I believe in mercy, I can't hurt a spider or an ant.

But none of this makes sense. To me, it was very clear what this man was planning and no amount of repeated justifications for each, additional report that comes out showing how diabolical he is, change that for me.

Child molesters, those who kidnap children, they are the worst of the worst. They do not change or get better. Yes, they were all sweet kids at one point who may have gone through their own horror or trauma. But they're all grown up now and are capable of acts of unspeakable evil. We need to be protected. Our children deserve to be able to sleep safely in their own beds.

I think it is no coincidence that Hopely picked a disabled boy as one of his first targets, then after being accused by a ten year old of molestation, decided to move to younger targets, who may not be able to verbalize as well as an older child. I think this points to the planning of a most methodical and frightening monster. He scares me, badly.


This is an awesome post, gitana.

I think for me, the answer is much more simple.

Randall Hopley knew right from wrong and therein lies the answer as to how he should be treated within the judicial system.

My father was paranoid schizophrenic before he died from suicide. Fifteen years before his death, he committed a violent crime against another person. He, however, had no idea that his actions were wrong--he could barely form words, much less sentences, at the time of his offense. He didn't recognize anyone except for me, kept insisting that he was looking for the "grassy knoll" near the site of President Kennedy's death, and would not respond to anyone unless they referred to him by the childlike nickname that he had as a pre-teen. Thankfully, the court system and the doctors saw that he was a very sick man and not responsible for his actions--his victim felt the same and pleaded that they get him help. They did.

Randall Hopley may well be developmentally disabled, intellectually below average, and may have suffered a traumatic childhood. He may have a mental illness diagnosis.

This, however, does not preclude the fact that he damned well knew, and knows, right from wrong. I do not for one minute believe, if he is deemed mentally ill, that he should be given a slap on the wrist with a warning from a judge that the "police are watching him," and then sent on his merry way.

Randall Hopley knew full well that his actions were not only wrong, but highly illegal. He took this child in the dead of the night. He evaded police and their roadblocks for days. He stealthily returned this child, again under the cloak of darkness. He hid himself away until he was finally caught--but when found, he ran away until a police dog took him down.


He needs to be punished for what he did to this little boy and his family.

ETA: If my father had known right from wrong at the time of his offense, I personally would have locked him in a jail cell and insisted that he be punished. Sadly, that was not the case, and I was witness to his declining mental health.
 
I have come to believe that police might well have known that Hopley might return the boy home safely. I think if they suspected it, they probably DID have surveilance set up around the area. One road in and out of the subdivision besides goat roads... makes me think:

Police probably did something to help facilitate the child's safe return, and then did NOT apprehend the suspect as they wanted him to return to his hideout!! It makes sense if you consider how much evidence might likely be in the hideout!! If you thought that RH wouldn't talk / provide info willingly, then it might be your best bet to let him go back to his lair, and track him down!! I have now seen the pictures of the hideout that were provided by MSM -- and I think this has GOT to be what happened. The idea that the home was not being watched just makes no sense to me. I would however believe that there was something (webcams / ears / guys in black on rooftops (?) scattered about the perimiter and interior!!

If they only had Kienan returned, and if they feared the boy couldn't provide investigators with much help in the efforts, then this is the most likely way it went down. They were confident they'd catch the guy, and seemed pretty clear that his hideout was likely an abandoned cabin in the area.... that said, I think they pretty much knew which direction to go, even if they didn't know which specific hideout was his.

Just sayin.
 
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110920/hopley-court-documents-110920/


Newly released court documents involving the man accused of kidnapping a B.C. boy reveal a disturbing snapshot of a high-risk sex offender.

Randall Hopley was convicted in 1985 of sexually assaulting a five-year-old boy and a psychiatric report leading up to his prison release says he was at high risk to offend again.

The report says Hopley, then 21 years old, refused sex offender treatment and wasn't a suitable candidate for other treatment programs.

The psychiatrist said Hopley, who had an IQ well below average, was one of those people who seemed to have fallen between the cracks of various support agencies.
 
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110920/hopley-court-documents-110920/


Newly released court documents involving the man accused of kidnapping a B.C. boy reveal a disturbing snapshot of a high-risk sex offender.

Randall Hopley was convicted in 1985 of sexually assaulting a five-year-old boy and a psychiatric report leading up to his prison release says he was at high risk to offend again.

The report says Hopley, then 21 years old, refused sex offender treatment and wasn't a suitable candidate for other treatment programs.

The psychiatrist said Hopley, who had an IQ well below average, was one of those people who seemed to have fallen between the cracks of various support agencies.

This guy is very scary because none of the pieces fit together.
 
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110920/hopley-court-documents-110920/


Newly released court documents involving the man accused of kidnapping a B.C. boy reveal a disturbing snapshot of a high-risk sex offender.

Randall Hopley was convicted in 1985 of sexually assaulting a five-year-old boy and a psychiatric report leading up to his prison release says he was at high risk to offend again.

The report says Hopley, then 21 years old, refused sex offender treatment and wasn't a suitable candidate for other treatment programs.

The psychiatrist said Hopley, who had an IQ well below average, was one of those people who seemed to have fallen between the cracks of various support agencies.

This is the first news report that has stated this 1985 crime was sexual assault on a FIVE YEAR OLD. It had only been mentioned as crimes of a sexual nature or something like that and never mentioned anything about the victim. Randall had taken Kienan to do something to him, I can't see anything else.
 
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110920/hopley-court-documents-110920/


Newly released court documents involving the man accused of kidnapping a B.C. boy reveal a disturbing snapshot of a high-risk sex offender.

Randall Hopley was convicted in 1985 of sexually assaulting a five-year-old boy and a psychiatric report leading up to his prison release says he was at high risk to offend again.

The report says Hopley, then 21 years old, refused sex offender treatment and wasn't a suitable candidate for other treatment programs.

The psychiatrist said Hopley, who had an IQ well below average, was one of those people who seemed to have fallen between the cracks of various support agencies.

WTF? He refuses sexual offender treatment so he gets released? :banghead:

Hopefully with the new criminal bill that will be passed in Parliament these creeps will finally be off our streets.
 
Unfortunately it doesn't matter if he takes any courses as long as he has done his time he's out.

This is a huge thorn in my side as a survivor of sexual abuse growing up in Canada, there is no program that's fixes them. They need not be let go, you cannot rehabilitate a sexual offender, in my heart this is what i believe. He should have been kept under supervision for LIFE, if they can't keep them locked up.

A bit OT but here goes. I recently found out where my abuser lives an it isn't good, smack dab in the middle of an area overrun with children, a park, two water parks, and low income housing. I called our local LE to see if that was even allowed. Now my case has been over for 17 years but I assumed there was some kind of registry or something that he would be on.

Nope nothing, not a damn thing can be done, the officer was supportive of my fears for the safety of other children, and was happy to know where the offender lives as they didn't know.

It's a scary world out there, even more so when these men have more rights then victims do...


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If this doesn't convince people about Hopley than I sure don't know what will: He's been a sexual offender since he was 17.

A psychiatric report prepared in 1982, when Hopley was 17 and accused of sexually assaulting children, warns the teenager had become an unrepentant sex offender who was highly likely to reoffend.

Even then, after admitting to molesting three children, the psychiatrist who authored the report lamented there were few opportunities available to control Hopley's behaviour.

"He does not appreciate why other people are upset because he sexually molests young children or burns down their buildings," wrote Dr. R.J. O'Shaughnessey in a report dated Aug. 13, 1982
.

and

O'Shaughnessey wrote that Hopley admitted to three separate assaults that occurred during the preceding year. They involved a pre-pubescent girl, a nine-year-old boy and a five-year-old boy, the report says, and in each case Hopley described undressing himself and his victims, putting his genitalia on them and masturbating.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...ry-of-sexual-deviancy-missed-opportunity?bn=1
 
Thanks Matou; he won't get any sympathy from me. :censored: :behindbar
 
"O'Shaughnessey wrote that Hopley admitted to three separate assaults that occurred during the preceding year. They involved a pre-pubescent girl, a nine-year-old boy and a five-year-old boy, the report says, and in each case Hopley described undressing himself and his victims, putting his genitalia on them and masturbating."

....taken from Matou's link above....

Oh how I wish Kienan could speak so the charges could be raised if this was the case.

I can't understand how this man was allowed to be alone in public. Mind boggling. Canada needs to step up and allow the public to have access to the whereabouts of these offenders.

MOO
 
"O'Shaughnessey wrote that Hopley admitted to three separate assaults that occurred during the preceding year. They involved a pre-pubescent girl, a nine-year-old boy and a five-year-old boy, the report says, and in each case Hopley described undressing himself and his victims, putting his genitalia on them and masturbating."

....taken from Matou's link above....

Oh how I wish Kienan could speak so the charges could be raised if this was the case.

I can't understand how this man was allowed to be alone in public. Mind boggling. Canada needs to step up and allow the public to have access to the whereabouts of these offenders.

MOO

After reading the article posted by Matou, that was my fear. That Kienan had been sexually assaulted in some way but just not in a way that was able to be detected physically. I wonder just how much information he has been able to provide LE?

I also find it hard to believe that there haven't been any other children that RH has assaulted for the past 30 years. :waitasec:

MOO
 

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