Canada - Laura Babcock, 23, Toronto, 26 June 2012

[Yankee42]

Absolutely not, TPS revealed some facts. Some want to believe that DM murdered a poor innocent girl and buried her on his farm....but the facts show that we have an educated girl, with a poor family, and a girl who chose to become an escort....How else should TPS give the info?

I missed this. LB's family is poor?

 

[THXGuru]

It seems to me that TPS acted like any other metropolitan police department under similar circumstances. LE walks a fine line when an able adult goes missing with no sign of foul play, because adults have the right to disappear without LE snooping around behind them. Privacy issues can place limitations on their work. Search warrants, for instance, are difficult to obtain without probable cause. (To my knowledge, Canada doesn't differ very much from the U.S. in that respect.) When the person lives a transient lifestyle and/or is a sex trade worker, you can forget it. Little to nothing will be done to locate him/her unless a trail of blood is left behind, or evidence the missing person absconded after committing a crime. But because no one's seen or heard from a person? No. Those files get shoved to the bottom of the stack. That's a sad fact of life, but it is what it is around the world, not only in Toronto. MOO

A very well said post. At the end of the day, the parents seem like they didn't care, and LB probably just wanted to disappear.

Now, if LB was working legit, she would have a trail to be able to find her....because she is not working a legit job, she could be virtually untraceable.

 

[Yankee42]

It seems to me that TPS acted like any other metropolitan police department under similar circumstances. LE walks a fine line when an able adult goes missing with no sign of foul play, because adults have the right to disappear without LE snooping around behind them. Privacy issues can place limitations on their work. Search warrants, for instance, are difficult to obtain without probable cause. (To my knowledge, Canada doesn't differ very much from the U.S. in that respect.) When the person lives a transient lifestyle and/or is a sex trade worker, you can forget it. Little to nothing will be done to locate him/her unless a trail of blood is left behind, or evidence the missing person absconded after committing a crime. But because no one's seen or heard from a person? No. Those files get shoved to the bottom of the stack. That's a sad fact of life, but it is what it is around the world, not only in Toronto. MOO

When did LE determine that she was involved in the sex trade?

 

[Yankee42]

Her mom looked like she was "faking" the concern she had for her daughter....

I agree, it was strange. I'd probably be hysterical.

 

[bessie]

Absolutely not, TPS revealed some facts. Some want to believe that DM murdered a poor innocent girl and buried her on his farm....but the facts show that we have an educated girl, with a poor family, and a girl who chose to become an escort....How else should TPS give the info?

I agree. The information and the new picture showing LB as a brunette are helpful. People who frequent sites like Backpage will know to keep their eyes open. And some people who don't normally frequent those sites have probably already started looking. :angel:

 

[KEVINinTO]

Do you have a link for this info?

This is entirely my opinion, but just from the various reports that I have pieced together, I get the sense that her parents were probably embarrassed and a bit ashamed of her lifestyle, and while they may have made some calls and looked for her, I am not sure they applied much pressure on LE to do so. And even now I don't sense that they are applying much pressure on LE, as mom at least publicly says she thinks she is alive and just not ready to come home. It seems it was the ex-bf who did any pushing to get LE involved, and as an ex-bf, LE was correct in telling him he had no legal right to know where she was. And I am not judging the parents, but if my child was missing, SOMEBODY in LE would be getting a phone call from me regularly asking for updates. Surely if a particular officer got promoted, his caseload would have been assigned to someone else. JMO

From the Toronto Star: http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...wed_police_interest_in_her_disappearance.html

But police never interviewed Millard in connection with their daughter’s disappearance, the Babcocks said. After the detective assigned to her file was reassigned, they weren’t sure what had happened to the case.
“All this information was in their hands,” Linda Babcock said, tearing up as she spoke about Laura. “We don’t know anything more than we’ve known since the beginning.”

I think that her family just took it for granted that Toronto Police would do everything possible to find Laura. I suspect that the statement "All this information was in their hands" refers to the phone records that they had provided to police and the expectation that Toronto Police would have followed up on these leads. I think it is fair to say that the family have been in a state of denial believing that "no news is good news" which is understandable.

 

[bessie]

When did LE determine that she was involved in the sex trade?

Can't say, Yankee. The press conference didn't reveal when or how LE made the determination. The ex-bf, perhaps, or an internet footprint. We don't know.

 

[THXGuru]

Can't say, Yankee. The press conference didn't reveal when or how LE made the determination. The ex-bf, perhaps, or an internet footprint. We don't know.

Or a client of hers tipped off police.

 

[THXGuru]

From the Toronto Star: http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...wed_police_interest_in_her_disappearance.html



I think that her family just took it for granted that Toronto Police would do everything possible to find Laura. I suspect that the statement "All this information was in their hands" refers to the phone records that they had provided to police and the expectation that Toronto Police would have followed up on these leads. I think it is fair to say that the family have been in a state of denial believing that "no news is good news" which is understandable.

Well, they now know something.....and kudos to TPS for confirming that her daughter was not found on the property of DM.

 

[THXGuru]

I agree. The information and the new picture showing LB as a brunette are helpful. People who frequent sites like Backpage will know to keep their eyes open. And some people who don't normally frequent those sites have probably already started looking. :angel:

And that is why LE clearly revealed that she was a sex worker...people involved in that industry won't just start talking...

 

[SwampMama]

Actually...many farmers compost there dead stock (do a google search on the proccess) and even large steer bones and skulls can disapear after a while. The bury the steer/pig or other live stock in a pile of pig or cattle manure and let nature take its course. I have personally seen a whole cow almost totally disapear after only a few months. The large femor bones and skull can take longer but over over time everything is 100% composted.

This is the very reason that most of the bodies on the Picton farm were never found...there was nothing to find after the the form of natural composting!

With the combination of bacteria, heat and insects that are created it can become a very simple process that doesn't smell after a few months if not turned over (after 4 months it is recomended to turn the pile in order to re-introduce oxygen to the pile). This is a legal and major cost savings to many farmers as it now costs farmers to have a truck come in and pick up a dead cow and take it to a rendering plant (at one time the rendering plants paid the farmers but now it is the exact opposite).

RyeGuy#1

Thanks for your input. Interesting info! Just jumping off of what you said above. I asked my hubby (whose family and friends have livestock in varying amounts), does he know anyone who would have such an incinerator (DM paid almost $7000 for it!!!).

Now hubby gives me that look that he gets when i ask him questions about bodies, recoveries, etc (he is a first responder, firefighter, body recovery person). and he knows his stuff. But his answer is pretty much this:

" No one I know (friends, family) has one. I know that poultry farms are required to have them (apparently there are a lot of carcasses/disease in the poultry business) and maybe some of the larger hog operations would use such a thing."

As for around here in Louisiana, we are really rural. If a large animal died on our property, it would be brought to the woods, probably to the small lakes on the property where alligators live or it could be burned. (We have no neighbors for miles around us).

But DM having this incinerator is just plain sinister!! It's creepy and scary and totally unwarranted. He steals vehicles but spends $7000 on an incinerator?? WTH. This is one seriously sketchy dude.

Now i read that the incinerator was propane heated. So how much propane had be bought lately?? here is the article with the details of the incinerator.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/05/20130517-073330.html

 

[bessie]

Nice observation about the propane, SwampMama. :highfive:

 

[THXGuru]

Nice observation about the propane, SwampMama. :highfive:

Thanks for your input. Interesting info! Just jumping off of what you said above. I asked my hubby (whose family and friends have livestock in varying amounts), does he know anyone who would have such an incinerator (DM paid almost $7000 for it!!!).

Now hubby gives me that look that he gets when i ask him questions about bodies, recoveries, etc (he is a first responder, firefighter, body recovery person). and he knows his stuff. But his answer is pretty much this:

" No one I know (friends, family) has one. I know that poultry farms are required to have them (apparently there are a lot of carcasses/disease in the poultry business) and maybe some of the larger hog operations would use such a thing."

As for around here in Louisiana, we are really rural. If a large animal died on our property, it would be brought to the woods, probably to the small lakes on the property where alligators live or it could be burned. (We have no neighbors for miles around us).

But DM having this incinerator is just plain sinister!! It's creepy and scary and totally unwarranted. He steals vehicles but spends $7000 on an incinerator?? WTH. This is one seriously sketchy dude.

Now i read that the incinerator was propane heated. So how much propane had be bought lately?? here is the article with the details of the incinerator.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/05/20130517-073330.html

I don't think it was established that it was used to burn TB's body.

I would say that it is possible that it was used to burn car parts...such as vins, and other interior items like seats, fabrics and plastic.

 

[KEVINinTO]

An excellent article from SUN News

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/06/0...to-dellen-millard-about-missing-woman-baffles

He raises a good point. If there were zero leads in this case TPS would have been justified in advancing this theory that Laura was a "sex worker" but this is not the case. The last person that Laura spoke to by phone has been charged with first degree murder in the death of Tim Bosma. He is under suspicion for killing his father. He spent $7000 on a "eliminator incinerator" in the weeks after Laura's disappearance.

It was completely gratuitous for Det Mike Carbone to advance his "sex worker" theory and it was done IMO to cheapen the life of Laura Babcock in the eyes of the public. Even some of Joe's contacts inside TPS were disgusted calling the move "dirty".

From this article we learn that Toronto Police did not contact Laura's family before the press conference to reveal what they were about to disclose. They were very shocked and hurt to hear the "sex worker" allegations for the first time. This is unforgivable!

Contrast the disgusting conduct of Toronto Police with the compassionate response by Hamilton Police who waited for the funeral of Tim Bosma to be over before announcing a second arrest.

"It was dirty because we don't even really know how accurate or extensive that is," said the detective who went on to call the news conference nothing but an exercise to "cover their butt on what they didn't do."

 

[newone]

Are we sure that she wasn't simply doing webcam shows, as opposed to turning tricks?

could be!

 

[THXGuru]

An excellent article from SUN News

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/06/0...to-dellen-millard-about-missing-woman-baffles

He raises a good point. If there were zero leads in this case TPS would have been justified in advancing this theory that Laura was a "sex worker" but this is not the case. The last person that Laura spoke to by phone has been charged with first degree murder in the death of Tim Bosma. He is under suspicion for killing his father. He spent $7000 on a "eliminator incinerator" in the weeks after Laura's disappearance.

It was completely gratuitous for Det Mike Carbone to advance his "sex worker" theory and it was done IMO to cheapen the life of Laura Babcock in the eyes of the public. Even some of Joe's contacts inside TPS were disgusted calling the move "dirty".

From this article we learn that Toronto Police did not contact Laura's family before the press conference to reveal what they were about to disclose. They were very shocked and hurt to hear the "sex worker" allegations for the first time. This is unforgivable!

Contrast the disgusting conduct of Toronto Police with the compassionate response by Hamilton Police who waited for the funeral of Tim Bosma to be over before announcing a second arrest.

From reading the facts, the parents should of delivered the records to LE. WE DONE TPS.

The facts are that LE have figured out what she was up to and they have also figured out that her remains were not on the farm that DM owned.

 

[newone]

And the mother said DM seemed like a very nice guy....

Sad to say that pimps/predators are very charming.

 

[THXGuru]

Sad to say that pimps/predators are very charming.

I am assuming that you are referring to DM as the pimp, well LE mentioned he was not involved in the sex worker part

 

[bessie]

I don't think it was established that it was used to burn TB's body.

I would say that it is possible that it was used to burn car parts...such as vins, and other interior items like seats, fabrics and plastic.

You're right, of course. We don't know if the incinerator was used, nor do we know if LE questioned whether it was used. But if they did, propane receipts would be a good clue. It was merely an observation.

 

[newone]

Maybe she had a 'date' that wanted to take her Las Vegas or Hawaii (seriously if she was in the life she may have been sold to someone