Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #13

[dameagatha]

What would be the significance of using a metal box instead of a bag? Better preservation of remains? Genuinely curious.

Ice. Just a guess.

 

[KR72]

A few things I have been thinking of...

Thank goodness they were found! The uncertainty could have gone on for years.

Some very smart WSer's said a few weeks ago that the RCMP should have requested the help of local trackers. It's too bad they didn't ask sooner, but glad they did eventually.

The York Landing sighting - I am 99.99% confident that this was not them. It is a reminder that sometimes we see what we want to see, and if they did see someone, the 2 men didn't come forward to say 'hey it was me, not the 2 fugitives'. Not everyone wants to be helpful in these situations, unfortunately.

I'm happy that others have found Websleuths and this case prompted others to join or to finally post after coming here for a long time. I have learned there are more Canadians here than I thought lol And I am even more surprised that there are even a few from my area in Saskatchewan.

I'm happy that others have learned a little bit about Canada and just how vast our Country is... as a Canadian, I have learned things that I didn't know as well and look forward to some day travelling across our big beautiful country (if we ever retire haha)

I hope the RCMP is able to piece together something that will make sense of all of this and will give the families some answers.

oh and lastly... I learned that there is such a thing as butter chicken poutine! WTH! LOL I live such a sheltered life in the prairies....

Sask must be especially sheltered, butter chicken poutine is readily available in Winnipeg.

 

[Castlinghigh]

Ice. Just a guess.

metal can be sterilized and used again

 

[sandbar]

One of them was Gillam’s only taxi driver, Amar Sahota, who believes he talked to one of them on the afternoon of Monday, July 22.

Mr Sahota says he knows 95 per cent of the clients who call for a cab in the town of 500 where he has worked for 13 years.

“But this man called and he didn’t use my name, he was a stranger, and he wanted a ride to (an indigenous settlement 30km north of Gillam called) Bird,” Mr Sahota told News Corp Australia.

“I told him I wouldn’t because my small car can’t go on those rough dirt roads, and he hung up on me. The next day when we heard about the boys being around here, I thought it was them. I thought I was very lucky because maybe I would have been one of their victims.”

Mr Sahota reported the encounter to a police phone hotline, but has yet to hear back.

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

Thanks, it's behind a paywall, I wonder if it's being reported anywhere else. If it was K&B it might imply that they had a cellphone and it was powered...

 

[olivebpa1]

What would be the significance of using a metal box instead of a bag? Better preservation of remains? Genuinely curious.

I noticed the metal box as well. The only thing I can think is that they said The bodies were in a difficult position and they had to use a boat to get them out of the area. When bodies are removed using a body bag the body bag is on a stretcher. Perhaps they were not able to get stretchers into the area ? If you used a body bag without a stretcher it would be extremely awkward to carry.

 

[JuneBug67]

A few things I have been thinking of...

Thank goodness they were found! The uncertainty could have gone on for years.

Some very smart WSer's said a few weeks ago that the RCMP should have requested the help of local trackers. It's too bad they didn't ask sooner, but glad they did eventually.

The York Landing sighting - I am 99.99% confident that this was not them. It is a reminder that sometimes we see what we want to see, and if they did see someone, the 2 men didn't come forward to say 'hey it was me, not the 2 fugitives'. Not everyone wants to be helpful in these situations, unfortunately.

I'm happy that others have found Websleuths and this case prompted others to join or to finally post after coming here for a long time. I have learned there are more Canadians here than I thought lol And I am even more surprised that there are even a few from my area in Saskatchewan.

I'm happy that others have learned a little bit about Canada and just how vast our Country is... as a Canadian, I have learned things that I didn't know as well and look forward to some day travelling across our big beautiful country (if we ever retire haha)

I hope the RCMP is able to piece together something that will make sense of all of this and will give the families some answers.

oh and lastly... I learned that there is such a thing as butter chicken poutine! WTH! LOL I live such a sheltered life in the prairies....

They may have deferred a tracker until they had a situation where they could do a useful/meaningful small-grid search of a high probability area. That really is the only situation that a tracker makes much sense.

 

[otto]

I was surprised to see separate planes. Weight or space considerations maybe? Dunno.

I wondered that too. Space, or maybe they are ensuring that there is no possibility that evidence is contaminated - just a wild guess.

 

[olivebpa1]

I wondered that too. Space, or maybe they are ensuring that there is no possibility that evidence is contaminated - just a wild guess.

Keeping the evidence separated makes sense to me. I hadn’t thought of that before.

 

[Errrr]

I was surprised to see a metal box and not just a body bag.

A metal box can be air sealed. It’s really hArd to fly a small plane while throwing up.

 

[thelesis]

Some very smart WSer's said a few weeks ago that the RCMP should have requested the help of local trackers. It's too bad they didn't ask sooner, but glad they did eventually.

Who says they didn't? Just because no one has told the media a local tracker worked with the RCMP doesn't mean one didn't. What we hear is a fraction of what actually happens.

oh and lastly... I learned that there is such a thing as butter chicken poutine! WTH! LOL I live such a sheltered life in the prairies....

New York Fries and Smoke's Poutinerie both have a butter chicken poutine. But more importantly, Smoke's has a perogie poutine.

 

[JuneBug67]

JuneBug, why don't you tell us how you really feel!

LOL. Well I mean seriously! It’s like some guy pruning his suburban back yard hostas lecturing somebody on the operation of their canola farm. They’re both growing stuff, but..

 

[Castlinghigh]

What would be the significance of using a metal box instead of a bag? Better preservation of remains? Genuinely curious.

metal can be sterilized for later usage

 

[Curiouslurker]

What would be the significance of using a metal box instead of a bag? Better preservation of remains? Genuinely curious.

Yes. Especially if they are found in a position related to the cause of death, and are entering decomposition/are decomposed. They don’t want to alter the body position to suit the dimensions of getting them into the bag or risk their bodies falling apart.

 

[ktm44]

What would be the significance of using a metal box instead of a bag? Better preservation of remains? Genuinely curious.

I have no inside knowledge but I would think the boxes would seal better than a conventional body bag and if they had been dead for a while, I would suggest that that there would be less odor with the boxes.

 

[Moriarty]

What would be the significance of using a metal box instead of a bag? Better preservation of remains? Genuinely curious.

Having just picked up a textbook on forensic taphonomy, I'm going to suggest that it might be easier in the box to contain all the soil around the bodies as well, for examining insect activity, tissue decomposition, etc.

Lovely thoughts as I have my mid-morning coffee and muffin.

 

[missy1974]

Sask must be especially sheltered, butter chicken poutine is readily available in Winnipeg.

Oh I'm sure it's here... I am just sheltered haha

Who says they didn't? Just because no one has told the media a local tracker worked with the RCMP doesn't mean one didn't. What we hear is a fraction of what actually happens.

New York Fries and Smoke's Poutinerie both have a butter chicken poutine. But more importantly, Smoke's has a perogie poutine.

True about the tracker, I'm sure we will hear more in the coming days and weeks, I think people will come forward and talk to the media now that there is no chance of a trial. JMO

Unfortunately where I live, we don't have any of those places lol I would definitely try perogy poutine!

 

[FactFinder3000]

A few things I have been thinking of...

Thank goodness they were found! The uncertainty could have gone on for years.

Some very smart WSer's said a few weeks ago that the RCMP should have requested the help of local trackers. It's too bad they didn't ask sooner, but glad they did eventually.

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Yeah, the RCMP did a terrible job in my view. The bodies were only found because of civilians. I am breathing a huge sigh of relief that nobody else got killed, because I honestly felt more murders were only a matter of time. Let's face it, the RCMP did absolutely nothing that was effective in stopping these foolish teens. In the end they took themselves out. I'm not quite sure why folks are saying the RCMP did a great job. Why? What did they do that was great?

 

[otto]

I find it quite off-putting when the media asked RCMP during a press release whether they should have done things differently; whether they are at fault for the suspects travelling across the country.

We know that the first 2 murders were in the news on July 16. The information was available to Dr Leonard Dyck, yet he was killed on July 19. As a botanist, whose world was research and the university, I doubt that he would have done anything different even if he was aware of the suspicious deaths (meaning: questionable murders).

What I'm saying is that earlier reporting that two unidentified people were shot near Liard Hot Springs would not have changed anything.

 

[Errrr]

Is there anything more known about the perps’ cause of death? After all the misery & horror they caused the victims’ families, I have to admit I’m hoping they didn’t die on their own terms by deliberate suicide.

Daily Mail this morning seems to think they died of exposure, I’m wondering if that’s conjecture or based on anything.....

How discarded sleeping bag led police to bodies of Canadian teen serial killers | Daily Mail Online

They inadvertently gave themselves a death sentence. That’s why you should always give yourself up and get a lawyer. JMO

 

[otto]

Yeah, the RCMP did a terrible job in my view. The bodies were only found because of civilians. I am breathing a huge sigh of relief that nobody else got killed, because I honestly felt more murders were only a matter of time. Let's face it, the RCMP did absolutely nothing that was effective in stopping these foolish teens. In the end they took themselves out. I'm not quite sure why folks are saying the RCMP did a great job. Why? What did they do that was great?

The bodies were found in the thick bush by RCMP after reviewing aerial surveillance and zeroing in on a boat.