CANADA Canada - Marianne Schuett, 10, Kilbride, Ont, 27 April 1967

[Bobbi Pearl]

dotr kindly provided us with this Media report and link on September 16th:

BEHIND THE CRIMES: Investigators conduct forensic dig in hunt for girl missing since 1967

''Results from the lab are expected in three to six weeks. If the DNA found doesn't point to Marianne, Gillis Davidson said she and Collins will look to other missing person cases in the area to hopefully find a match.''

If the results estimate is accurate we are in the "7th" week so truly hope we hear some news soon.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

We are well past the estimated timeline, I truly hope that the labs processing DNA are not this backed up and it is not completed testing yet.

Questions come to mind:

If the tests are complete, and they have her DNA:

• will the retired detectives release any information on this subject?
• will this information be handed off to active police detectives and we will not know anything until they release any specifics?
• then will this be enough information to release the *advertiser censored*'s name who killed her! Or do they need to further investigate?
• do they have the suspected killer who committed suicide's DNA or family DNA?
• did they find any other DNA with hers?

If the tests are complete, and they have someone else's DNA not Marianne's:

• will the retired detectives release any information on this subject?
• will this information be handed off to active police detectives and we will not know anything until they release any specifics?

How long did the process take on the Christine Jessop case?
it took a long time and work, these are the steps they took in her case:

“We had one match (a family name) from the maternal side, one from the paternal side.”

Figuring out the rest involved plenty of leg work, including three police genealogists scouring open-source data such as old newspapers and death reports, to build a family tree.

“We started with about 33,000 people in the (family) tree, (the genealogists) whittled it down to about 5,000 people,” Smith added.

Then investigators were given access to another “DNA clearinghouse,” named GEDmatch, which includes samples from websites including 23andMe and Ancestry.com.

This narrowed the field of matches from 5,000 to 100, including second and third cousins, Smith said.

(Source: 'Fortuitous': Probe into Christine Jessop's killer Calvin Hoover went wrong until it went right)

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

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Marianne was last seen wearing:
Clothing/Jewelry Description: A red reversible jacket and the reverse color is beige, a green skirt, a blue sweater, and a pair of blue running shoes.

What did the perp do with all of this clothing? if she was buried in any items would they not have some remnants? once the body had completely decomposed clothing could be left that was on top of the body, the body decomposing liquid would not have aided in the clothing dissolving.

Another question, do the soil samples keep any telltale signs that clothing has deteriorated in this spot, if we can find DNA can we not find other chemicals and from the reading, nothing will break down and not leave a tell.

 

[dotr]

Fwiw..
Post mortem changes in relation to different types of clothing - PubMed
''Clothing enhanced decay for bodies on ground surface because it provided protection for maggots and retained moisture on tissues. However, clothing delayed decomposition in buried bodies because it physically separated the bodies from soil and arthropods''

Life after death: the science of human decomposition
Mo Costandi 5 May 2015
''A decomposing body significantly alters the chemistry of the soil beneath, causing changes that may persist for years. Purging releases nutrients into the underlying soil, and maggot migration transfers much of the energy in a body to the wider environment. Eventually, the whole process creates a ‘cadaver decomposition island,’ a highly concentrated area of organically rich soil. As well as releasing nutrients into the wider ecosystem, the cadaver also attracts other organic materials, such as dead insects and faecal matter from larger animals.

According to one estimate, an average human body consists of 50-75% and every kilogram of dry body mass eventually releases 32g of nitrogen, 10g of phosphorous, 4g of potassium, and 1g of magnesium into the soil. Initially, some of the underlying and surrounding vegetation dies off, possibly because of nitrogen toxicity, or because of antibiotics found in the body, which are secreted by insect larvae as they feed on the flesh.

Ultimately, though, decomposition is beneficial for the ecosystem – the microbial biomass within the cadaver decomposition island is greater than in other nearby areas; nematode worms also become more abundant, and plant life more diverse. Further research into how decomposing bodies alter the ecology of their surroundings may provide a new way of finding murder victims whose bodies have been buried in shallow graves.''
Geophysical monitoring of simulated homicide burials for forensic investigations | Scientific Reports
2020
Figure 1

 

[photographer4]

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Marianne was last seen wearing:
Clothing/Jewelry Description: A red reversible jacket and the reverse color is beige, a green skirt, a blue sweater, and a pair of blue running shoes.

What did the perp do with all of this clothing? if she was buried in any items would they not have some remnants? once the body had completely decomposed clothing could be left that was on top of the body, the body decomposing liquid would not have aided in the clothing dissolving.

Another question, do the soil samples keep any telltale signs that clothing has deteriorated in this spot, if we can find DNA can we not find other chemicals and from the reading, nothing will break down and not leave a tell.

Per news reports from the time, one blue shoe, size 3 was found after the abduction and it was missing the lace. I don't know if any other clothing was ever found. Have wondered if she carried a backpack that day though?

 

[deugirtni]

Not sure if they even had backpacks back then?

 

[musicaljoke]

Not sure if they even had backpacks back then?

We carried our lunch to school in a metal or plastic lunchbox. There were no backpacks.

 

[deugirtni]

Was Marianne's home within walking distance of the school she attended, ie would she have stayed for lunch at school or would she have gone home for lunch? (In my day, most kids went home for lunch unless they were bussed kids)

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

Was Marianne's home within walking distance of the school she attended, ie would she have stayed for lunch at school or would she have gone home for lunch? (In my day, most kids went home for lunch unless they were bussed kids)

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edit to add, this is a rural school, if you did not walk you took a school bus, you had a ride pick you up - no transit exists here. many if not most stay at school for lunch

 

[MadMcGoo]

THREAD CLOSED FOR CLEANUP.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[Sillybilly]

A police sketch of the suspect based on the description provided by witnesses in relation to Marianne Schuett's disappearance

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I'd say Christine Jessop's now deceased killer is a pretty good match to that sketch in Marianne's case:

from: CP24.com

 

[photographer4]

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I'd say Christine Jessop's now deceased killer is a pretty good match to that sketch in Marianne's case:

from: CP24.com

Jessop's killer would have been too young to be responsible for Marianne's abduction, no? CH - the killer in Christine's case was 28 at the time of her abduction and murder (which was October 1984) . Marianne Schuett vanished April 27, 1967, thus CH would have been the ripe old age of about 11 years old. Too young to be the guy who abducted Marianne.
36 years later: Toronto Police identify man responsible for rape and murder of 9-year-old girl

 

[Richard]

Christine Marion Jessop, age 8, (November 29, 1974-c. October 3, 1984) was a Canadian teenager from Queensville, Ontario who was kidnapped, raped and killed in October 1984. Her body was discovered some 50 kilometers (31 mi) from her home in Durham, the same year's New Year's Eve.

LINK:

Calvin hoover christine jessops killer, obituary cause of death, suicide 2015 | MeBERE

 

[Elaine Smith]

The Case of Lynn Harper is not the same as Marianne Schuett, an innocent man called Steven Truscott endured harmful tests, drugs and many years in jail until released. Many people that participated in the original 1967 search want closure for this family. Many tips were provided to police which did not do anything with them. Another connection that has proved false is Noreen Greenley went missing when she was 13 years old in 1963.

 

[photographer4]

The Case of Lynn Harper is not the same as Marianne Schuett, an innocent man called Steven Truscott endured harmful tests, drugs and many years in jail until released. Many people that participated in the original 1967 search want closure for this family. Many tips were provided to police which did not do anything with them. Another connection that has proved false is Noreen Greenley went missing when she was 13 years old in 1963.

Hi there, welcome to WS. I'm wondering what makes you so sure that a possible connection between Noreen Greenley and Marianne Schuett's case has been proven false? I'm quite familiar with these and many other missing person cases, and I've not seen anything official from LE to suggest that this possible link was proven or disproved?

 

[Richard]

Hi there, welcome to WS. I'm wondering what makes you so sure that a possible connection between Noreen Greenley and Marianne Schuett's case has been proven false? I'm quite familiar with these and many other missing person cases, and I've not seen anything official from LE to suggest that this possible link was proven or disproved?

There are some similarities between the Noreen Greenley and Marianne Schuett cases. One is the description of the vehicles which were reportedly seen in each case.

Leads: Marianne was last seen speaking with an unknown man in a motor vehicle after school. She is believed to have been abducted by him (sketch below).

Suspect's physical description: White, male, thin-faced, wearing glasses and a fedora.
Suspect's automobile: Small or compact-sized European vehicle, dark blue or black with chrome across the back.

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Noreen Greenley, age 13
Missing since 14 September 1963

1957-1959 blue Ford Prefect
Noreen was last seen entering a similar car in Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada.

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Here is a link to Noreen's thread on Websleuths:

CANADA - Canada - Noreen Greenley, 13, Bowmanville, Ont, 14 Sept 1963

 

[Track2]

From enfostuff.com.
“In 1948…there were 2025 English Fords sold in Canada [left-hand drive]. The fate of the remaining 7,000 to 9,000 English Fords imported that year is unclear…auto historian Bill Siuru writes that as a boy he remembers seeing fields full of, mainly black, unsold Anglias & Prefects around his home of Detroit, MI.

…In 1950, Ford was the best selling import in …Canada (14,804 sold). Ford sold over 235,000 cars into Canada betwn 1948-1973”

I note that both pictures above show a 2 -door car. The sketch shows a BOX shaped car, tall, with three windows on each side; like one that might have a hatch at the back. Thus, I think it may have been a Ford Anglia, and possibly a Ford Anglia Van or Anglia 105E Estate, or a similar North American sold version of that kind of a Ford.

“Ford 100E Anglia (1953 - 1959)
The 100E was Ford's first small car of unitary construction…The Ford Anglia easily identified as a 2-door car compared with the 4-door Prefect…”

From en.Wikipedia.org here’s a picture of a
1964 Ford Anglia Van (6165253667).jpg





…And a Ford Anglia 105E Estate:


I’m still researching into which similar models were sold in Canada prior to 1967 and 1963. Any car buffs out there who can shed more light on this? There were probably not many of these cars sold in Canada, so any still for sale by collectors in Canada, or brought to historic car rallies in Canada, blue or black in colour, may be of interest for DNA.

 

[Track2]

…and Ford Anglia 105E Estate, front view. Note the horizontal front grill.

 

[Track2]

Ford ANGLIA De Luxe 101E produced year 1957