CANADA Canada - Marianne Schuett, 10, Kilbride, Ont, 27 April 1967

[Elaine Smith]

We are well past the estimated timeline, I truly hope that the labs processing DNA are not this backed up and it is not completed testing yet.

Questions come to mind:

If the tests are complete, and they have her DNA:

• will the retired detectives release any information on this subject?
• will this information be handed off to active police detectives and we will not know anything until they release any specifics?
• then will this be enough information to release the *advertiser censored*'s name who killed her! Or do they need to further investigate?
• do they have the suspected killer who committed suicide's DNA or family DNA?
• did they find any other DNA with hers?

If the tests are complete, and they have someone else's DNA not Marianne's:

• will the retired detectives release any information on this subject?
• will this information be handed off to active police detectives and we will not know anything until they release any specifics?

How long did the process take on the Christine Jessop case?
it took a long time and work, these are the steps they took in her case:

“We had one match (a family name) from the maternal side, one from the paternal side.”

Figuring out the rest involved plenty of leg work, including three police genealogists scouring open-source data such as old newspapers and death reports, to build a family tree.

“We started with about 33,000 people in the (family) tree, (the genealogists) whittled it down to about 5,000 people,” Smith added.

Then investigators were given access to another “DNA clearinghouse,” named GEDmatch, which includes samples from websites including 23andMe and Ancestry.com.

This narrowed the field of matches from 5,000 to 100, including second and third cousins, Smith said.

(Source: 'Fortuitous': Probe into Christine Jessop's killer Calvin Hoover went wrong until it went right)

With a case this old you would think it would take priority so that the family can have peace.

 

[photographer4]

With a case this old you would think it would take priority so that the family can have peace.

No, actually, I would not think that. I would think that other things would take priority. You know, things like rape kits for people more recently victimized who's attackers have a hope of being caught and brought to justice. Marianne has been missing since the 60's. The police had a suspect, and have been clear that their primary suspect killed himself. Stolen innocence

In Marianne's case, a team of volunteers has gone out as recently as 2021, and found DNA evidence was collected and has been sent off for special testing with a lab: BEHIND THE CRIMES: Investigators conduct forensic dig in hunt for girl missing since 1967

As soon as any information is available, I am sure we will receive an update. I'm hopeful that we will get news regarding this case in the near future.

 

[Elaine Smith]

With a case this old you would think it would take priority so that the family can have peace.

There are DNA samples which have been provided by the Schuett Family which are alive.

 

[Elaine Smith]

No, actually, I would not think that. I would think that other things would take priority. You know, things like rape kits for people more recently victimized who's attackers have a hope of being caught and brought to justice. Marianne has been missing since the 60's. The police had a suspect, and have been clear that their primary suspect killed himself. Stolen innocence

With a case this old you would think it would take priority so that the family can have peace.

In Marianne's case, a team of volunteers has gone out as recently as 2021, and found DNA evidence was collected and has been sent off for special testing with a lab: BEHIND THE CRIMES: Investigators conduct forensic dig in hunt for girl missing since 1967

As soon as any information is available, I am sure we will receive an update. I'm hopeful that we will get news regarding this case in the near future.

7 months after the search and NO results.

 

[Richard]

55 years missing...


Marianne Schuett, age 10, Missing since 27 April 1967

 

[photographer4]

There are DNA samples which have been provided by the Schuett Family which are alive.

Oh? How do you know this? Are you connected to the family somehow or has this been reported in main stream media? If in media, pls provide a link?

 

[photographer4]

7 months after the search and NO results.

Actually, as I noted earlier, there have been results - they just weren't available in main stream media that I know of until today so I wasn't able to elaborate. Here is the article: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hami...EhJoujjwSqPY_yNl5DPLXdg8jIg6PkHlLZ66Klb8UtJsg

 

[SIGMGZ]

I remeber this case very well. We had just come back from living in England and was living on Hamilton Beach strip. My father loved the Lowville area and we traveled through Kilbride whenever we went to the park. So it hit close to home. I always remembered this and often wonder what had happened to Marianne. I am glad to hear the authorities are still searching for her and hope the family will soon find peace of mind.

I have always wondered about the suspect who committed suicide before the police had a chance to arrest him for Marianne's abduction. Does anyone know the actually date the suspect committed suicide? I have read it was 1991, but have never seen a month and a day when he died. It wouldn't have been January 6th 1991 would it?

 

[Elaine Smith]

If this is correct the police had from 1967 to 1991 = 24 years to solve this.

 

[photographer4]

If this is correct the police had from 1967 to 1991 = 24 years to solve this.

Unfortunately, solving crimes isn't a neat and tidy thing wrapped up in an hour like it often is on TV. I'm not sure police could have done much more in this particular case. I think the key here is not to focus on what police did or did not do, but to focus on what can be done if anything at this point to bring Maryann home to her loved ones, in whatever form that may be. At least then they could have closure. It saddens me that they do not have the luxury of closure.

 

[photographer4]

I remeber this case very well. We had just come back from living in England and was living on Hamilton Beach strip. My father loved the Lowville area and we traveled through Kilbride whenever we went to the park. So it hit close to home. I always remembered this and often wonder what had happened to Marianne. I am glad to hear the authorities are still searching for her and hope the family will soon find peace of mind.

I have always wondered about the suspect who committed suicide before the police had a chance to arrest him for Marianne's abduction. Does anyone know the actually date the suspect committed suicide? I have read it was 1991, but have never seen a month and a day when he died. It wouldn't have been January 6th 1991 would it?

Would the specific date of suicide make some difference in terms of the investigation? What significance does the date hold - asking because if you think you may know something, or suspect something might be connected, I'd encourage you to pls contact police.

 

[deugirtni]

Just wondering if it has ever been reported as to whether LE had ever sent the shoe found early on, which they suspect to have belonged to Marianne, for DNA testing, to confirm it belonged to her? I don't think forensic DNA testing was available back then, so did they bother to send the shoe in, once the science became available?

 

[SIGMGZ]

Would the specific date of suicide make some difference in terms of the investigation? What significance does the date hold - asking because if you think you may know something, or suspect something might be connected, I'd encourage you to pls contact police.

First of all I have no personal knowledge, but there is information available that hints about a possible suspect. That information may or may not be true, I am just following their trails.

Even in this thread if you look at page 2 there are posts that gives information about a possible suspect. That he worked at John Bertram and Sons in Dundas and lived 12 minutes away by car. On other sites you will find the number and street this suspect lived on, which is about a 12 minute drive from where John Bertram and Sons was located. If you look at Vernon's 1966 Directory for Hamilton under that address you find the name of the individual. He died on January 6th 1991 and there is somebody who lived across the road from him that claims he committed suicide.

Now all that information may very well be false or just a coincidence.

However, what we do know is that the police had a suspect in mind. That when they ran the license plate number they had from the original investigation in 1991 it belonged to the above suspect and he had owned a similar car to one that was seen by the eye witnesses . He also had served time for similar offences and was being investigated for an ongoing case. When he found out he was to be questioned about the Marianne Schuett case he killed him self. We know this occurred in 1991, we don't know when in 1991.

If this suspect of the police committed suicide on January 6th 1991 , it's highly likely they are the same individual.

 

[photographer4]

Just wondering if it has ever been reported as to whether LE had ever sent the shoe found early on, which they suspect to have belonged to Marianne, for DNA testing, to confirm it belonged to her? I don't think forensic DNA testing was available back then, so did they bother to send the shoe in, once the science became available?

I have wondered this as well, but its unknown (not reported in media that I've seen at least). It was believed to be her shoe, but I don't know what became of it (perhaps it is in an evidence box somewhere)? I also know from media reports that they found a wad of chewed gum inside her desk - I don't know what they did with that either.

 

[photographer4]

A LITTLE GIRL IS MISSING | Maclean's | JANUARY 1968
That is the link that tells us about the chewing gum found in Marianne's desk:
"Left behind In her desk were the artifacts of a 10-year-old schoolgirl’s happy life. There was a crumpled note from a classmate warning, “You’ll get caught talking.” There was a well chewed wad of gum."

The same article tells us about the shoe they found as well:
"It was a vast effort, but a vain one. The only tangible clue was the discovery, the day after the girl’s disappearance, of one of Marianne’s running shoes, with its lace missing, on a roadside 12 miles northeast of Kilbride."

 

[dotr]

Burlington church bells ring out to remember the 10-year-old who never came home | The Star
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''Witnesses from 1967 remember seeing Marianne talking to a man in a late-model European vehicle, before getting in and being driven away. A blue shoe was found off Highway 25 in Speyside and identified by her mother as Marianne's. No other trace of her has been found.

Marianne’s disappearance resulted in one of the largest searches in Ontario’s history. An estimated 18,000 people were involved in attempts to find her.''

''A suspect was identified in the case decades earlier but that man died by suicide in 1991 prior to police being able to question him.

For more information, contact Gord Collins at 905-975-3600 or gcprp79@gmail.com.''

 

[Richard]

First of all I have no personal knowledge, but there is information available that hints about a possible suspect. That information may or may not be true, I am just following their trails.

Even in this thread if you look at page 2 there are posts that gives information about a possible suspect. That he worked at John Bertram and Sons in Dundas and lived 12 minutes away by car. On other sites you will find the number and street this suspect lived on, which is about a 12 minute drive from where John Bertram and Sons was located. If you look at Vernon's 1966 Directory for Hamilton under that address you find the name of the individual. He died on January 6th 1991 and there is somebody who lived across the road from him that claims he committed suicide.

Now all that information may very well be false or just a coincidence.

However, what we do know is that the police had a suspect in mind. That when they ran the license plate number they had from the original investigation in 1991 it belonged to the above suspect and he had owned a similar car to one that was seen by the eye witnesses . He also had served time for similar offences and was being investigated for an ongoing case. When he found out he was to be questioned about the Marianne Schuett case he killed him self. We know this occurred in 1991, we don't know when in 1991.

If this suspect of the police committed suicide on January 6th 1991 , it's highly likely they are the same individual.

These are all good points. If the information is accurate and documented, it might be good to search the property where this person lived to see if there are any buried anomalies in the vicinity of his home.

 

[SIGMGZ]

These are all good points. If the information is accurate and documented, it might be good to search the property where this person lived to see if there are any buried anomalies in the vicinity of his home.

The police information is accurate and documented. They matched the two witness statements years after the abduction, the one that gave a description of suspect and the type of car and the second one that gave a license plate number and a description of the car. They were able to trace who owned that license plate at the time of Marianne's abduction and where he was living in 1991. The personal information about where this individual worked, where he lived, what his name was and when he died is also accurate. What is speculation is whether the suspect I talk about and the one the police were closing in on are the same person. The police know the answer to that question but they haven't shared that information with the general public.

The suspect was never charged so I doubt you could get permission to search the house where he lived. The people who live there now might be willing to give permission for the authorities to search the property though.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

We are well past the estimated timeline, I truly hope that the labs processing DNA are not this backed up and it is not completed testing yet.

Questions come to mind:

If the tests are complete, and they have her DNA:

• will the retired detectives release any information on this subject?
• will this information be handed off to active police detectives and we will not know anything until they release any specifics?
• then will this be enough information to release the *advertiser censored*'s name who killed her! Or do they need to further investigate?
• do they have the suspected killer who committed suicide's DNA or family DNA?
• did they find any other DNA with hers?

If the tests are complete, and they have someone else's DNA not Marianne's:

• will the retired detectives release any information on this subject?
• will this information be handed off to active police detectives and we will not know anything until they release any specifics?

How long did the process take on the Christine Jessop case?
it took a long time and work, these are the steps they took in her case:

“We had one match (a family name) from the maternal side, one from the paternal side.”

Figuring out the rest involved plenty of leg work, including three police genealogists scouring open-source data such as old newspapers and death reports, to build a family tree.

“We started with about 33,000 people in the (family) tree, (the genealogists) whittled it down to about 5,000 people,” Smith added.

Then investigators were given access to another “DNA clearinghouse,” named GEDmatch, which includes samples from websites including 23andMe and Ancestry.com.

This narrowed the field of matches from 5,000 to 100, including second and third cousins, Smith said.

(Source: 'Fortuitous': Probe into Christine Jessop's killer Calvin Hoover went wrong until it went right)

here is the retired detective in his own words, yes human DNA, not enough to know more than that.

Marianne Schuett case: 55 years later a community is still searching for answers - CHCH

Marianne Schuett case: 55 years later a community is still searching for answers

www.chch.com

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

The police information is accurate and documented. They matched the two witness statements years after the abduction, the one that gave a description of suspect and the type of car and the second one that gave a license plate number and a description of the car. They were able to trace who owned that license plate at the time of Marianne's abduction and where he was living in 1991. The personal information about where this individual worked, where he lived, what his name was and when he died is also accurate. What is speculation is whether the suspect I talk about and the one the police were closing in on are the same person. The police know the answer to that question but they haven't shared that information with the general public.

The suspect was never charged so I doubt you could get permission to search the house where he lived. The people who live there now might be willing to give permission for the authorities to search the property though.

Hi SIGMGZ, you say the people who live there now, do you know that the family of the man in question no longer resides there?

Do you by chance also know if this person you think it is, knew the Schuett family or was connected to them in any way? her brother said the family was surprised she would get in a car with a stranger, they were taught not to.

Not sure if this will help to decipher if this person you know is him or not?

With the other charges the LE suspect has received and gone to prison for, none were abducted and then murdered. The young children victimized were said to be over a period of 7 yrs, at those young ages I assume he had "access" to these children. This was after he would have taken Marianne and gone to prison for the attempt to abduct in Burlington.

Did he change MO so he could continue to molest little girls and not get caught, or was he getting too old to overtake someone? In 1967 it was suggested the suspect was 40ish. So if we add 24 yrs this perp would have been in or around the 60-65 range.

How many other victims does he have, that is a reason why the public should have his name, he is 100% considered a suspect, In most other cases in Ontario if you have a suspect you can name him/her? darn, they have even released persons of interest in past cases. This is sad that child molesters can have anonymity and privacy after death. The living victims he left behind it is not easy to accept that privilege.

The more cases we dig deep on here at websleuths the more I feel we may need to lobby to change some laws, maybe our life secrets should be released here on earth when our soul is released to god. The future would be so much brighter if people knew they could not take all the secrets, lies, and sins to the grave with them.