GUILTY Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #5

[Wondergirl]

CBC - Amber Hildebrandt reports:

"Crown attorney Lee Burgess said that he has struggled to determine what information, what evidence to put before the court.

He has spent eight months reading over and sifting through the reams of information collected through Russell Williams' meticulous cataloguing of his crimes. Burgess said it was important to put a substantial amount of information on the record.

The life imprisonment sentence may have been secured by Russell Williams' confession, but 25 years down the line, when Russell Williams is up for parole, the parole board will look at the record of evidence. And that is why they are carefully cataloguing his catalogue and his crimes. So whenever he does apply for parole, be it 30 or 40 years later even, they will be able to assess the risk Williams poses to the community."

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/10/19/russell-williams-day-2.html#CIL

 

[Pink Panther]

Williams's murder victims pleaded for their lives​

He took photos of her after forcing her to model her own lingerie. Three witnesses who passed the house saw an SUV parked there for several hours that night. ​

After three hours, Williams forced Lloyd into his vehicle, giving her repeated assurances he would let her go if she co-operated. She was blindfolded and Williams drove them in his SUV to his Cosy Cove Lane home in Tweed.​

Burgess said Williams killed Lloyd by striking her on the head with a flashlight and then strangling her with rope until she stopped moving. Williams then drove back to CFB Trenton around 10 p.m. and slept at the base because he had to catch an early flight to California​

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/10/19/russell-williams-day-2.html#CIL#ixzz12rKRQARK​

And we vote for and believe in a system that dictates that these animals can be rehabilitated? uh huh.

 

[Pink Panther]

CBC - Amber Hildebrandt reports:

"Crown attorney Lee Burgess said that he has struggled to determine what information, what evidence to put before the court.

He has spent eight months reading over and sifting through the reams of information collected through Russell Williams' meticulous cataloguing of his crimes. Burgess said it was important to put a substantial amount of information on the record.

The life imprisonment sentence may have been secured by Russell Williams' confession, but 25 years down the line, when Russell Williams is up for parole, the parole board will look at the record of evidence. And that is why they are carefully cataloguing his catalogue and his crimes. So whenever he does apply for parole, be it 30 or 40 years later even, they will be able to assess the risk Williams poses to the community."

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/10/19/russell-williams-day-2.html#CIL

"carefully cataloguing his catalogue of crimes"...Sounds to me like he took care of that for them! Perhaps this is the first time in "digital" history that so much information has been so readily available...What a job...Sifting through all that to determine what should be filed (or not)...Tongue in cheek because I haven't seen a shred of impressive "detective" work here since I started following from the very beginning.

MOO

 

[flipflop]

CBC - Amber Hildebrandt reports:

"Crown attorney Lee Burgess said that he has struggled to determine what information, what evidence to put before the court.

He has spent eight months reading over and sifting through the reams of information collected through Russell Williams' meticulous cataloguing of his crimes. Burgess said it was important to put a substantial amount of information on the record.

The life imprisonment sentence may have been secured by Russell Williams' confession, but 25 years down the line, when Russell Williams is up for parole, the parole board will look at the record of evidence. And that is why they are carefully cataloguing his catalogue and his crimes. So whenever he does apply for parole, be it 30 or 40 years later even, they will be able to assess the risk Williams poses to the community."

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/10/19/russell-williams-day-2.html#CIL

Im interested to hear everyones opinion about the substantial amount of info that we have heard over the past 2 days. Do you think is was appropriate, not appropriate, was it too detailed????

At times when a certain tweet was VERY gross, I thought WOW too much information, did we really need to hear that. I felt extremely horrible for the family of the victim involved. Yet again, it re-educates us to how a serial killer can be ANYONE even someone of a higher power like a Col. From reading the recent details it has certainly put my guard up higher, I check my windows nightly, always lock my doors and close my blinds etc.

 

[Pink Panther]

Im interested to hear everyones opinion about the substantial amount of info that we have heard over the past 2 days. Do you think is was appropriate, not appropriate, was it too detailed????

At times when a certain tweet was VERY gross, I thought WOW too much information, did we really need to hear that. I felt extremely horrible for the family of the victim involved. Yet again, it re-educates us to how a serial killer can be ANYONE even someone of a higher power like a Col. From reading the recent details it has certainly put my guard up higher, I check my windows nightly, always lock my doors and close my blinds etc.

I have been deeply disturbed by what I have read on this case in the past couple of days. At the same time, I am free to read or to ignore the news that has been forthcoming. Having chosen to have read, I have also felt the burden of trully understanding what "rape" and "murder" mean in the most detailed manner. As such, it has solidified my own opinions with regards to what due punishment should follow such heinous acts by monsters who are disguised as human beings. I feel that the public should be allowed such access to information as long as it attempts to protect the innocent (as much as possible).

My heart goes out to the families of the victims.

 

[Wondergirl]

CBC - Amber Hildebrandt reports:

"Police decided to start a checkpoint. Williams was stopped at 6:57 p.m. within minutes of the canvas being set up. He said he regularly travelled on the highway and admitted to being on Highway 37 on the night of Lloyd's disappearance. Williams was now seen as a suspect and police began conducting surveillance on him. They saw him vacuuming and cleaning his SUV. The contents of the vacuum were seized by police. Once police obtained a search warrant, they invited Williams to be interviewed. They questioned him about the two sexual assaults, Comeau's death and Lloyd's disappearance."

http://mobile.coveritlive.com/mobil...k=viewaltcast&altcast_code=bf89ed6662&start=3


BBM: Williams WAS one of the 1st ones through the checkpoint, and immediately started surveillance on him.

 

[Wondergirl]

"carefully cataloguing his catalogue of crimes"...Sounds to me like he took care of that for them! Perhaps this is the first time in "digital" history that so much information has been so readily available...What a job...Sifting through all that to determine what should be filed (or not)...Tongue in cheek because I haven't seen a shred of impressive "detective" work here since I started following from the very beginning.

MOO

BBM: Well, PP, I have to respectfully disagree, I have seen impressive detective work.

I think there has been some really great police work in this case. In fact, if it wasn't for great police work, Williams would still be Commanding CFB Trenton.

Maybe LE focused too much on Larry Jones with the sexual assaults. It could be said they were spending too much time on one suspect. There should have been more public awareness about the assaults for sure. Very few of the Tweed Break-In's were reported or even noticed, so, how could LE have done anything with that? LE may have also focused too much on Marie France's boyfriend as a suspect, but, what else did they have? It had to appear like a very personal crime.

When Jessica went missing, and LE obtained the forensics, the bootprint outside the window, the footprints in the snow, DNA from her home, tire tracks, wheel base measurements and eye witness accounts of the SUV, they very wisely set-up the roadside check exactly 1 week after she went missing. They knew from forensics that the tires would only fit on an SUV and they had a colour, as per eyewitnesses. My bet is that RW's SUV was stopped just as LE was setting up the roadside check that night, because his vehicle fit the PROFILE. They immediately put him under surveillance, got enough details to get search warrents and called him in for questioning. They were feeding Det. Smyth, behavioural profiler, real-time information during the interrogation, and even determined that the very boots RW was wearing that day, were the same boots as at the crime scene(s).

They got a confession without him lawyering up.

There were things that could have been released to the public which may or may not have prevented some crimes by this monster, but, I feel LE did an excellent job in catching him.

 

[Macright]

Im interested to hear everyones opinion about the substantial amount of info that we have heard over the past 2 days. Do you think is was appropriate, not appropriate, was it too detailed????

At times when a certain tweet was VERY gross, I thought WOW too much information, did we really need to hear that. I felt extremely horrible for the family of the victim involved. Yet again, it re-educates us to how a serial killer can be ANYONE even someone of a higher power like a Col. From reading the recent details it has certainly put my guard up higher, I check my windows nightly, always lock my doors and close my blinds etc.

I am glad that the public got to hear and read what this SOB was capable of and I hope that he never gets to see a sun rise or set again on the outside...from his own admissions and recordings there should never be the slightest doubt in anyone's mind that he is anything but guilty...

 

[Wondergirl]

Tomorrow we will hear all about LE's great work on this case, when we hear about Det.-Sgt. Jim Smyth. He is the behavioural profiler, who masterfully obtained RW's confession.

 

[antiquegirl]

BBM: Well, PP, I have to respectfully disagree, I have seen impressive detective work.

I think there has been some really great police work in this case. In fact, if it wasn't for great police work, Williams would still be Commanding CFB Trenton.

Maybe LE focused too much on Larry Jones with the sexual assaults. It could be said they were spending too much time on one suspect. There should have been more public awareness about the assaults for sure. Very few of the Tweed Break-In's were reported or even noticed, so, how could LE have done anything with that? LE may have also focused too much on Marie France's boyfriend as a suspect, but, what else did they have? It had to appear like a very personal crime.

When Jessica went missing, and LE obtained the forensics, the bootprint outside the window, the footprints in the snow, DNA from her home, tire tracks, wheel base measurements and eye witness accounts of the SUV, they very wisely set-up the roadside check exactly 1 week after she went missing. They knew from forensics that the tires would only fit on an SUV and they had a colour, as per eyewitnesses. My bet is that RW's SUV was stopped just as LE was setting up the roadside check that night, because his vehicle fit the PROFILE. They immediately put him under surveillance, got enough details to get search warrents and called him in for questioning. They were feeding Det. Smyth, behavioural profiler, real-time information during the interrogation, and even determined that the very boots RW was wearing that day, were the same boots as at the crime scene(s).

They got a confession without him lawyering up.

There were things that could have been released to the public which may or may not have prevented some crimes by this monster, but, I feel LE did an excellent job in catching him.

ITA! You covered it perfectly. RW, far from an obvious suspect, was under arrest less than two weeks after JL went missing and virtually all of it can be accredited to diligent, intensive police work. If only all murders by strangers were solved that quickly!

JMO

 

[Wondergirl]

I hope we will find out tomorrow, but, I think the "real-time" feeding of information to Det. Smyth in Ottawa during the interrogation, was from LE discovering evidence in Tweed, while executing the search warrant on Cozy Cove.

I wouldn't be suprised to find out LE went into Cozy Cove 1st, THEN called RW into the station in Ottawa. It was said that they had the search warrant BEFORE they called him in to talk.

 

[matou]

Has the media interviewed Jim Smyth about this case yet? I haven't seen anything about him yet except that he's the one who apparently got the confession! I know about him from the VS case and he was pretty humble then as well. That man is a true professional and I'd love to learn more about what he does. JMO

 

[star traveller]

LE as an existing establishment bears some responsibility for peoples reluctance to report these crimes.

Belleville having their own PD created communication difficulties within LE which hampered the investigation. It was one of the victims who informed Belleville PD of the fetish crimes of Tweed.

Hopefully this ends tomorrow.

 

[matou]

I think that in some aspects, LE failed. There should have been an alert about the sexual assaults in Tweed. LM stated that herself, she was angry about not being informed that there was a sexual predator on the loose. JMO

 

[antiquegirl]

Im interested to hear everyones opinion about the substantial amount of info that we have heard over the past 2 days. Do you think is was appropriate, not appropriate, was it too detailed????

At times when a certain tweet was VERY gross, I thought WOW too much information, did we really need to hear that. I felt extremely horrible for the family of the victim involved. Yet again, it re-educates us to how a serial killer can be ANYONE even someone of a higher power like a Col. From reading the recent details it has certainly put my guard up higher, I check my windows nightly, always lock my doors and close my blinds etc.

I admit that there were times when I thought "TMI", but at the end of the day, I think it was necessary.

If it makes even one girl or woman more cautious and prevents something like this happening to her, than it was worth it. If there's the remotest possibility that RW may get probation in 25 years and this information prevents it, than it was worth it. If it caused RW even the slightest amount of humiliation and shame, it was worth it.

Of course, the unfortunate part of all this is the effect on the victims and their families. However, the excruciating pain they have already endured must surely have reached maximum levels. There were ways to avoid the gory details this week and JL's family did the smart thing by leaving the court when they did.

I'm not much for censorship and usually think that if you don't want to see it, turn it off or turn away. If you don't want to read it, stop. I am grateful to be living in a country that gives its citizens the freedom of choice.

JMO

 

[matou]

Has the media interviewed Jim Smyth about this case yet? I haven't seen anything about him yet except that he's the one who apparently got the confession! I know about him from the VS case and he was pretty humble then as well. That man is a true professional and I'd love to learn more about what he does. JMO

I guess we'll all learn a bit more about Det. Sgt. Jim Smyth tomorrow when we hear about the actual confession.

Here's a video of Smyth after he helped find Victoria Stafford's remains when her parents were told that she would never likely be found. http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/remains-found/#clip195581

 

[Snoopster]

Col. Russell Williams, you are a *advertiser censored*

He created his own snuff films, a sick, meticulous director who for hours raped and tortured two terrified women, capturing all their degradation on his video camera as he snapped commands.

You are a *advertiser censored* Col. Russell Williams.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/2010/10/19/15754206.html

As I read this article I found myself saying over and over, "Col. Williams you are a *advertiser censored*!" It felt therapeutic. Of course those words aren't nearly strong enough, but it still felt good.

 

[LadyL]

it's made me a bit more nervous but in the end, I think if someone like Williams really wants to get to you, they will ...

it's a scary thought but we can't barricade ourselves in fortresses - we can only be cautious and aware I guess

Bless all the victims and their loved ones.

 

[LadyL]

Col. Russell Williams, you are a *advertiser censored*



http://www.torontosun.com/news/2010/10/19/15754206.html

As I read this article I found myself saying over and over, "Col. Williams you are a *advertiser censored*!" It felt therapeutic. Of course those words aren't nearly strong enough, but it still felt good.

yeah, 'cept he doesn't deserve to be called by that title any longer

he's just russ the *advertiser censored*

 

[antiquegirl]

We have discussed and tacitly agreed to disagree about how this devastating state of affairs has affected RW's wife. Did she know, didn't she know, is she supporting him or not, etc. But there has been no mention of his mother, his brother, his father and step-father.

His brother is a practicing physician here in Ontario. How is this affecting him? Will he lose patients? Does he still love his brother? As a mother myself, I just can't imagine how RW's must be feeling or coping with this. Does she lie awake nights wondering if she missed signs? Does she blame herself? It makes my head spin just thinking about it.

Will any of them ever consent to a media interview? Would you?

JMO